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Wally_in_Cincy
11-07-2003, 01:15 PM
This is a classic.

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By Larry Pratt
September 1, 2003
NewsWithViews.com
The Bias Against Guns is the title of John Lott's latest book. It is well worth reading.
Lott, an economist, is a good researcher and writer. His account of the multiple murder at the Appalachian School of Law in Grundy, VA in January, 2002 is an eye-opener.
Lott did a search in the media database called Lexis-Nexis to find articles written about the shooting. The base contained 208 unique articles, and one of them by the Associated Press would have been picked up by literally thousands of newspapers. Other articles would have also had widespread distribution.
<font color="red">Of the 208 articles about the law school shooter, only four mentioned that there had been a defensive gun use. </font color> Indeed, two students upon hearing the shots, ran to their vehicles and brought their guns within the 1,000 foot gun-free zone that has been unconstitutionally established by federal law. They encountered the murderer as he was finishing reloading. At the sight of their guns drawing down on him, he surrendered.
Only two articles mentioned that latter detail of the defensive guns actually being pointed at the thug. The Associated Press article was one that mentioned nothing of the defensive gun use. Lott contacted the author of the article who admitted that the defensive gun use should have been included. She apologized for the lack of space. One of the Associated Press executives, Jack Stokes, the AP media relations manager, said that he had been shocked upon learning that students carrying guns had subdued the gunman: <font color="blue"> "I thought, my God, they're putting into jeopardy even more people by bringing out these guns." </font color>

(insert Wally's hearty laughter here) /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

If Mr. Stokes could not get his mind past that fact that the two students had saved numerous other lives by "bringing out these guns," no wonder the media almost never reports on defensive gun uses. *snip*....
My interview with John Lott can be found at http://gunowners.org/radio.htm. The Bias Against Guns is available at a 25 percent discount from the Gun Owners Foundation bookstore at http://gunowners.com/bookst.htm.
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Incredible

Candyman
11-07-2003, 01:46 PM
Bernard Goldberg's new book "Arrogance" covers this story and many more along the same lines, concerning our liberal medias attempts to push their agendas.

11-07-2003, 02:00 PM
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Bernard Goldberg's new book "Arrogance" covers this story and many more along the same lines, concerning our liberal medias attempts to push their agendas.
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Here's a link analyzing some of Goldberg's past work.

http://www.fair.org/media-beat/020321.html

Wally_in_Cincy
11-07-2003, 02:14 PM
even though you are the new messiah I must disagree with you

whatever is written about this subject I will consider, but I rely more on watching the phenomenon first hand for 36 years.

Wally~~thinks FAIR, in this case, should only apply in the Bizarro World /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Wally_in_Cincy
11-07-2003, 02:17 PM
are you denying this? :

<font color="red">Of the 208 articles about the law school shooter, only four mentioned that there had been a defensive gun use. </font color>

or are you trying to ignore the topic by bashing Goldberg?

11-07-2003, 03:56 PM
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are you denying this? :

Of the 208 articles about the law school shooter, only four mentioned that there had been a defensive gun use.

or are you trying to ignore the topic by bashing Goldberg?
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I'm simply just presenting another article that examines a number of sources and trys to view them in an objective way.

I have no intention of trying to win an argument, nor am I even attempting to present one.

There is no such thing as right or wrong. I simply seek the knowledge that lies in between.

Unlike yourself I don't wish to win an argument, I simply seek to understand the argument from as many perspectives as possible. Afterall, I am the New Messiah.

P.S. I think newswithviews.com should change its address to newswithtonsofadvertisements.com. There's more advertisements on that site than there are during the super bowl. But I sincerely doubt any of those advertisers have any sway over the content of the website... /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

P.P.S. I am also glad to see newswithviews.com go out of their way to get well reknowned journalists.

http://newswithviews.com/public_schools/public_schools11.htm

nhp
11-08-2003, 07:52 AM
It's not like guns' feelings are hurt because of the media's bias. Why would anyone care what the media says about guns? It's not going to change the constitution, it's not going to cause some gangbangers in East LA to throw their AK-47's away, and it sure as hell is not going to sway a gun-loving alcoholic who lives in a trailer park in the midwest from joining the NRA.

nhp
11-08-2003, 07:53 AM
^and no, don't think I was trying to call you that, that is just a common stereotype I listed.

Wally_in_Cincy
11-08-2003, 10:10 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote thenewmessiah:</font><hr>
P.P.S. I am also glad to see newswithviews.com go out of their way to get well reknowned journalists.
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She's kinda cute though /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I never read that site. I just used it as a source for Lott and Goldberg's numbers

Wally_in_Cincy
11-08-2003, 10:13 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote nhp:</font><hr>
...it sure as hell is not going to sway a gun-loving alcoholic who lives in a trailer park in the midwest from joining the NRA. <hr /></blockquote>

That doesn't describe the typical NRA member.

I'm beginning to see where you're coming from.

Wally~~NRA Centennial member

nhp
11-09-2003, 07:40 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote nhp:</font><hr>
...it sure as hell is not going to sway a gun-loving alcoholic who lives in a trailer park in the midwest from joining the NRA. <hr /></blockquote>

That doesn't describe the typical NRA member.

I'm beginning to see where you're coming from.

Wally~~NRA Centennial member <hr /></blockquote>

You may be right, but you are going to have to tell your fellow NRA members to stop hiring such good actors to stop putting on that show, because that is exactly where the stereotype comes from. The mullets don't help either.

eg8r
11-10-2003, 06:28 AM
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The mullets don't help either. <hr /></blockquote> See this is where you are completely wrong. The stereotype of a person with a mullet is that they drive a Camaro. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif Nothing about owning a gun.

eg8r

Wally_in_Cincy
11-10-2003, 07:28 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote nhp:</font><hr>

....The mullets don't help either..... <hr /></blockquote>

/ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Listen up dude. In Hamiltucky the mullet is a sign of strength and manliness, even when it's on a 5-year-old /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Fortunately the Hamiltuckians can't afford to tattoo their pre-schoolers so the mullet is the next best thing.

Actually I stereotyped your college prof in another thread so I guess we are even now /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

nhp
11-10-2003, 07:37 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> &lt;/font&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;
The mullets don't help either. <hr /></blockquote> See this is where you are completely wrong. The stereotype of a person with a mullet is that they drive a Camaro. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif Nothing about owning a gun.

eg8r <hr /></blockquote>

If you watch the show Cops then you will see we are both right, because they always arrest drunken guys with mullets driving Camaros with rifles on their laps.

nhp
11-10-2003, 07:38 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote nhp:</font><hr>

....The mullets don't help either..... <hr /></blockquote>

/ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Listen up dude. In Hamiltucky the mullet is a sign of strength and manliness, even when it's on a 5-year-old /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Fortunately the Hamiltuckians can't afford to tattoo their pre-schoolers so the mullet is the next best thing.

Actually I stereotyped your college prof in another thread so I guess we are even now /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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I was just making a joke, not trying to piss you off. Even it is /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Wally_in_Cincy
11-10-2003, 07:40 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote nhp:</font><hr>
I was just making a joke, <hr /></blockquote>

I know. I was too.

later

Wally_in_Cincy
11-10-2003, 07:41 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote nhp:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr>
If you watch the show Cops then you will see we are both right, because they always arrest drunken guys with mullets driving Camaros with rifles on their laps. <hr /></blockquote>

and shirtless /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I love that show.

eg8r
11-10-2003, 10:58 AM
I have not seen the gun part (at least while driving the camaro /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif ) but I don't doubt that it could happen.

eg8r

11-10-2003, 11:28 AM
Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history.

Wally_in_Cincy
11-10-2003, 11:41 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote thenewmessiah:</font><hr> Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history. <hr /></blockquote>

Be careful. Someone may take your hyperbole seriously.

11-10-2003, 11:51 AM
Here is a Truely wise thought on gun control.

"My sons are 25 and 30. They are blond-haired and blue-eyed. One amendment today said we could not sell guns to anybody under drug treatment. So does that mean if you go into a black community, you cannot sell a gun to any black person?"

Barbara Cubin- Rep.(R-WY)

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Be careful. Someone may take your hyperbole seriously. <hr /></blockquote>

You think that was an hyperbole?

moblsv
11-10-2003, 01:51 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote thenewmessiah:</font><hr> the liberal-based media <hr /></blockquote>

Anyone who believes in a "liberal-based" media should look up who OWNS the media. The media is owned by large, conservative, monopolist corporations. I would also encourage a little open-minded research into how the laws that protected independant, free thinking media where lost and what laws are being pushed by republicans/corporations as we speak to control what we can see and do on the Internet. WOW, talk about comparisons to Nazis and what happened to the Jews.

I forgot who it was but in the early days of the Internet somebody made the observation that they believed any discussion if carried far enough would eventually degenerate to where somebody would compare something to the Nazis (today it would be terrorists). At that point any further discussion was useless and all logic was lost. This discussion has certainly passed that point.

11-10-2003, 02:17 PM
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Anyone who believes in a "liberal-based" media should look up who OWNS the media. The media is owned by large, conservative, monopolist corporations. <hr /></blockquote>

What are you talking about? What are you gonna tell me next, that Christianity isn't the national religion of the U.S.A.The media is owned by neo-socialists and communists. They took over the media after the cold-war; that's when their respective countries allowed them to crawl out from underneath the boulder they called home. This is the type of person who fills our airwaves with leftist trash.

Come on... man. Look at CBS and the Reagans. And if I dare even mention, look at talk radio, with hosts Tom Lykes how can one get anymore liberal?

Support your country, man. Buy a Flag and display it proudly in your lawn. Go to a good Christian church on Sundays. And fast for our president at least one day a week.

eg8r
11-10-2003, 03:08 PM
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At that point any further discussion was useless and all logic was lost. This discussion has certainly passed that point. <hr /></blockquote> LOL, thanks newb.

eg8r

Qtec
11-11-2003, 01:31 AM
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What are you talking about? What are you gonna tell me next, that Christianity isn't the national religion of the U.S.A. <hr /></blockquote>

Yes.

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Come on... man. Look at CBS and the Reagans <hr /></blockquote>

Exactly. This shows the power of the right wing.
In a Democracy, people are allowed to make their own minds up, they dont need neo-conservatives telling them what they can and cant watch.
This film has been pulled before anyone has seen it.Whats next, book burning parties?

What are they so scared of?


Do you think Rupert Murdoch is a Liberal?

Q

Wally_in_Cincy
11-11-2003, 07:38 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr>
.... In a Democracy, people are allowed to make their own minds up, they dont need neo-conservatives telling them what they can and cant watch.

<font color="blue">Yes they do /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif </font color>

This film has been pulled before anyone has seen it.Whats next, book burning parties?

<font color="blue">Yeeeaaahhh.... I especially hate that one book about the kid with his finger in the dyke, er, dike /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif </font color>

What are they so scared of?

<font color="blue">I'm scared of those big trucks that haul concrete. Those guys drive like maniacs. </font color>

Do you think Rupert Murdoch is a Liberal?

<font color="blue">Do you think Dan Rather is a conservative? /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif </font color>

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11-11-2003, 07:46 AM
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In a Democracy, people are allowed to make their own minds up, they dont need neo-conservatives telling them what they can and cant watch. <hr /></blockquote>

This country does not belong to the ACLU, the radical left or the communists. It belongs to God and his people. I frankly am tired of us being second-class citizens in a land our forefathers founded and claimed for the Lord.

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Whats next, book burning parties?<hr /></blockquote>

If I can find enough paper to print out all this liberal filth that you're shooting off, than I will certainly have a book burning party.

cheesemouse
11-11-2003, 08:01 AM
thenewmessiah,

I would like to thank you sir for so quickly ID'ing yourself as an enemy of democracy and making your lunacy an irrelevance...I appreciate that /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

11-11-2003, 08:16 AM
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I would like to thank you sir for so quickly ID'ing yourself as an enemy of democracy and making your lunacy an irrelevance...I appreciate that
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Democracy is the enemy of logic and reason.

cheesemouse
11-11-2003, 08:18 AM
Like I said "thanks"

ras314
11-12-2003, 05:22 PM
Somewhere or other I think I read that the US of A was a republic, not a democracy?

I happen to live in a county that passed a resolution that all homes were required to have a gun. Have yet to hear of a break and enter while owners were present.