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Cueless Joey
11-18-2003, 12:52 PM
LOS OLIVOS, Calif. ? Cops are searching Michael Jackson's (search) Neverland Ranch Tuesday after a 12-year-old boy reportedly brought allegations against the pop star.

Fox News has confirmed that police are swarming the Neverland grounds.

At least one ambulance is present.

Authorities executed a search warrant at the musician's sprawling home in the Santa Ynez Valley outside of Santa Barbara, said a sheriff's spokesman, who declined to give his name. The Santa Barbara County District Attorney's office was also involved in the action, he added.

Jackson's spokesman, Stuart Backerman, did not answer his cell phone and did not immediately return messages early Tuesday.

Wally_in_Cincy
11-18-2003, 01:27 PM
That freak needs to be put in jail with the rest of the sick child molesters.

His music sucks too.

eg8r
11-18-2003, 02:18 PM
This is getting crazy. How many people need to come forward before he is put in jail?

eg8r <~~~Still like his music

UWPoolGod
11-18-2003, 02:30 PM
If I was 12 I'd let MJ touch my wee-wee for $10 million. LOL

nAz
11-18-2003, 02:35 PM
why can't you people give that sick grotesque err man?? the benefit of the doubt? /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

TomBrooklyn
11-18-2003, 08:13 PM
I have information that it is very common in Thailand for young boys to be prostituted. My Thailand contact reports that they are particularly popular with the men from a certain European country.

Wally_in_Cincy
11-19-2003, 09:43 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote TomBrooklyn:</font><hr> I have information that it is very common in Thailand for young boys to be prostituted. ...... <hr /></blockquote>

As far as I'm concerned the parents who sent their sons to Neverland for a sleepover prostituted them hoping to cash in. Some people are just too stupid to be parents, unfortunately.

Cueless Joey
11-19-2003, 10:43 AM
He's getting arrested.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/995113.asp?cp1=1

transamman
11-19-2003, 09:56 PM
hehehe just thought this would be good timing....

http://www.theantiher0.com/jackson.htm

Qtec
11-19-2003, 10:41 PM
Wally, for once I agree with you.
The guy has lost the plot. He makes his kid wear a scarf over its head everytime they go out, just so he cant be photographed! Is that normal behaviour?
How is that kid going to turn out?
I dont think he is mentally fit to bring up children.

Its pretty sad.


Q

11-20-2003, 03:13 AM
Michael Jackson is pure genious.

Wally_in_Cincy
11-20-2003, 06:55 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote transamman:</font><hr> hehehe just thought this would be good timing....

http://www.theantiher0.com/jackson.htm <hr /></blockquote>

quit pimping your stupid website ..... IMO

Kato
11-20-2003, 07:44 AM
I cannot believe that parents still let their children near that man. The parents should be thrown in jail for studpidity and Micheal Jackson should be given a cell with a guy named Bubba.

Kato

Wally_in_Cincy
11-20-2003, 02:14 PM
I don't think I can take it

This is gonna be worse than OJ

I like to listen to talk radio. I won't be able to for a year because it's gonna be all Michael, all the time. I could just scream /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

UWPoolGod
11-20-2003, 02:43 PM
This is gonna be worse than OJ &lt;--Wally

I just saw pictures of the scene at OJ's house on *Warning GRAPHIC** rotten.com at the bottom of the page...lots of blood. Wonder what they found at Jacko's...lots of sperm? I don't know which is worse....ewwww *shudders*

TomBrooklyn
11-24-2003, 08:28 AM
Some, if not many people have assumed the gloved one's guilt already. What happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" We haven't heard the defense yet and we know very little about his accuser. It is not a crime in the United States to act weird, especially in California.

TomBk

eg8r
11-24-2003, 09:15 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Some, if not many people have assumed the gloved one's guilt already. What happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" <hr /></blockquote> While in a court of law you are correct, we all however know this is never the case. Especially here on the board. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r &lt;~~Believe MJ is no more guilty than the stupid parents letting their kids stay with MJ

Cueless Joey
11-24-2003, 09:35 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote TomBrooklyn:</font><hr> Some, if not many people have assumed the gloved one's guilt already. What happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" We haven't heard the defense yet and we know very little about his accuser. It is not a crime in the United States to act weird, especially in California.

TomBk

<hr /></blockquote>
That's for the jurors.
Come to think of this, if one is presumed innocent before proven guilty, why would one get arrested and charged and has to post a 3 MILLION-dollar bail? Heck, if he's presumed "innocent", he should be able to go home free after being booked.

Qtec
11-24-2003, 12:42 PM
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/doc_o_day.html


Q

Cueless Joey
11-24-2003, 01:17 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/doc_o_day.html


Q <hr /></blockquote>
He's a Liberal, you know. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

UKhooters
11-24-2003, 06:59 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote nAz:</font><hr> why can't you people give that sick grotesque err man?? the benefit of the doubt? /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Warning: Pic and name of 12 yo alleged victim (http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1260&amp;storyid=534904)



Jackson's explicit letters seized

By CAROLINE GRAHAM and SHARON CHURCHER in London

November 24, 2003

EXPLICIT letters and poems said to have been written by Michael Jackson to his alleged victim will form the centrepiece of the sex-abuse case against him.


Police seized at least a dozen letters during the raid on Jackson's Neverland ranch last week.

"The district attorney is convinced these letters will be crucial to the case against Jackson," a source close to the investigation said yesterday.


"The boy told investigators about letters and poems and their precise location inside Michael's home. These letters were among the evidence seized, along with videotapes.


"They are very explicit and intimate and show a degree of familiarity. Basically, they appear to be love letters from Michael to the boy."


The accuser, 12-year-old Los Angeles cancer victim Gavin Arvizo, also told police Jackson's pet name for him was Rubba.


"The boy first told this to his therapist, then repeated it to police," the source said.


"He said Jackson called him Rubba because one of the games they used to play was called rubba rubba. The boy said, 'Michael told me he was my rubba rubba friend."'


Although police handling the case in Santa Barbara, California, have been barred from revealing any details, it is understood the alleged abuse took place in February.


Jackson is said to have befriended Gavin -- who, during a controversial British documentary screened earlier this year, admitted having shared a bed with the singer -- over a long period.


A source close to 45-year-old Jackson said: "For the past five or six years, he's taken kids from fractured homes and nurtured them as a father figure. As they get older, he teaches them fun things to do.


"Michael says he learned this from an adult when he was a teenager. No-one on his staff ever said anything. He's a tyrant. Everybody obeys the man."


Another Jackson source said: "The boy told of everything that went on and described things in Michael's closets, his bathroom, what was under his bed."


In her statements to police, Gavin's mother, Janet Ventura, has revealed that Jackson encouraged her son to call him "Daddy".


Ms Ventura has claimed she, Gavin and his two siblings were held virtual prisoners at Neverland, 100km north of Santa Barbara.


When she learned of her son's accusations of molestation -- which included claims that Jackson plied him with wine and sleeping pills -- she fled with her family in the dead of night.


A source close to district attorney Tom Sneddon, who will prosecute the case, said: "The DA is very confident with the evidence he has. This includes letters, videos and computer files. They believe they have enough to nail Jackson."


Jackson's legal team is said to be encouraging him to consider a plea bargain, possibly an insanity defence that would allow him to serve time in a state mental hospital instead of jail.


There was speculation yesterday that the singer raised his $3 million bail with the help of Miami-based Al Malnik, a lawyer for notorious gangster Meyer Lansky, who died in 1983.


Malnik reportedly began making large loans to Jackson when his career nosedived.


Malnik, 69, was cited by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission in 1980 and 1992 as a person of unsuitable character.


The prosecution source said: "It just gets weirder and weirder. Michael supposedly has financial problems, but hiring someone with Mob connections is bizarre."


Prosecutors are said to be spreading a net around the world for other alleged victims. One boy of special interest is said to be in El Salvador, another in South Africa.


They are also said to be considering quizzing the son of an English premiership footballer.


Charges of aiding and abetting are likely to be filed against members of Jackson's entourage.


At the same time as the Neverland swoop, police raided two homes in Los Angeles.


One was reportedly the residence of Marc Schaffel, a gay video producer who filmed the rebuttal tape Jackson released just after Martin Bashir's British documentary aired.

The Daily Telegraph

This report was published at www.dailytelegraph.com.au (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au)

UKhooters
11-26-2003, 03:41 PM
By TIM MOLLOY, Associated Press
Last updated: 12:45 p.m., Wednesday, November 26, 2003

LOS ANGELES -- Questions have emerged about the credibility of the family of Jackson's accuser and the singer's attorney, Mark Geragos, vowed to "land like a ton of bricks" on anyone who besmirches his reputation.

"If anybody doesn't think based upon what's happened so far that the true motivation of these charges and these allegations is anything but money and the seeking of money, then they're living in their own Neverland," Geragos said Tuesday, referring to the singer's Santa Barbara County estate.

The statement followed revelations that Geragos and Jackson were secretly videotaped while flying on a private jet to Santa Barbara last week for Jackson's surrender and booking.

Geragos claimed in a lawsuit filed Tuesday against Santa Monica-based XtraJet that the charter company covertly installed two cameras in the plane's cabin.

The cameras "were recording attorney-client conversations and then somebody had the unmitigated gall to shop those tapes around to media outlets in order to sell them to the highest bidder," he said.

The tapes' existence came to light when representatives of XtraJet showed it to several news organizations, saying they had found two videotapes aboard one of their jets and wanted to know whether it was legal to distribute or sell them.

The attorney for XtraJet did not immediately return a call for comment. The FBI said it seized tapes from XtraJet and were trying to assess whether there had been a violation of federal law.

"Michael Jackson is not going to be abused," Geragos said. "Michael Jackson is not going to be slammed. He is not going to be a pinata for every person who has financial motives."

The developments came as details about the boy's family began to emerge, including two previous cases that involved abuse allegations: a lawsuit in which the family said they were battered by mall security guards, and a divorce fight in which the father pleaded no contest to spousal abuse and child cruelty.

In November 2001, J.C. Penney Co. paid the boy's family $137,500 to settle a lawsuit alleging security guards beat the boy, his mother and his brother in a parking lot in 1998 after the boy left the store with clothes that hadn't been paid for, court records show.

The mother also contended that she was sexually assaulted by one of the guards during the confrontation.

A month before the settlement, the boy's mother had filed for divorce, beginning a bitter fight that would include criminal charges of abuse. The father's attorney, Russell Halpern, said the mother had lied about the abuse and had a "Svengali-like" ability to make her children repeat her lies.

Halpern said the father once showed him a script his wife had allegedly written for their children to use when they were questioned in a civil deposition.

"She wrote out all their testimony. I actually saw the script," Halpern said Tuesday. "I remember my client showing me, bringing the paperwork to me."

The Associated Press does not identify alleged victims of sexual abuse. The child's mother has an unlisted number and could not be located for comment. J.C. Penney lawyers did not return a call seeking comment.

The family's past legal cases could be critical in the current molestation case, if Jackson attorneys can show the mother or the accuser lacks credibility, said Leonard Levine, a defense attorney who specializes in sexual assault cases.

"It sounds like music to a defense attorney's ears -- that there have been other cases where they have sued and there is at least an argument that the allegations are similar to the ones here," Levine said.

Jackson's spokesman, Stuart Backerman, declined to comment about the past lawsuits involving the accuser's family. The Santa Barbara County district attorney's