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Perk
11-25-2003, 07:30 AM
Here is the deal. Last night while at my pool league the subject come up regarding the APA and its handicap system. I do not play APA, but I thought I knew the ranking system. I claimed SL7 was highest in 8ball, and SL9 was highest in 9ball. This guy argued with me that in 9ball a 10 was the highest. I strongly felt he was wrong, but he went off about that is the way they played. So figured I would ask here. Am I right on a SL9 being the highest? And just in case I am right, does a League Operator have any control to change that number to a 10? I dont think so, but just wanted to here some thoughts. If he says something next time, I am gonna have some proof in my wallet that will get me a drink or two....

bluewolf
11-25-2003, 07:35 AM
I have heard of people being bumped up sl based on 'handicap review' in suspected sandbaggers but changing the sl numbers, new one to me.

Laura

Pelican
11-25-2003, 08:50 AM
I have APA rules book in hand. It shows SL7 in 8 ball and SL9 in 9 ball.

League Operator does adjust SL's according to a person's known ability.

Perk
11-25-2003, 09:01 AM
I understand adjusting according to ability....but they cant go higher correct?

Rich Schmiegal was a SL9 when he won the Nationals 2 years in a row I believe.....

I just dont want this guy to throw garbage at me claiming his local league used 10 as a high......

pooltchr
11-25-2003, 09:16 AM
In the APA, the highest you can go is a 9. You can be ranked a 10 in BCA league. Maybe he just has his leagues confused.

Perk
11-25-2003, 09:27 AM
LOL..I suggested that it was BCA or VNEA but he was adament about it being APA... He even said to me: "Maybe you should go to www.poolplayers.com (http://www.poolplayers.com)" LMAO. Like I havent been to that site and almost any other billiard site before...I didnt even push the issue after he said that. I knew it was gonna be pointless to argue with him, so I figured I would bring documentation proving it next time we play them, and before the match bring up the subject so he can "eat crow", or if anything make him feel awkward or something.....

I knew I was right,,,but didnt want to step on my tongue incase the local leagues had some authority to change.

Troy
11-25-2003, 09:34 AM
A local APA LO can change a SL, but can NOT change the "system". It is doubful it would be altered DOWN. Also, SL-9 is the highest for 9-Ball and sl-8 is the highest for 8-Ball.

Troy

Fred Agnir
11-25-2003, 09:40 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Troy:</font><hr> A local APA LO can change a SL, but can NOT change the "system". It is doubful it would be altered DOWN. Also, SL-9 is the highest for 9-Ball and sl-8 is the highest for 8-Ball.

Troy <hr /></blockquote>What's and SL-8 in 8-ball? I've never seen one.

Fred

ChrisW
11-25-2003, 09:40 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Troy:</font><hr> A local APA LO can change a SL, but can NOT change the "system". It is doubful it would be altered DOWN. Also, SL-9 is the highest for 9-Ball and sl-8 is the highest for 8-Ball.

Troy <hr /></blockquote>

SL-7 is the highest for 8-ball

I bet you knew this but just typed it incorrectly.

Chris

Rich R.
11-25-2003, 10:32 AM
Just tell the guy to look at the portion of the APA scoresheet, where handicaps are calculated. There is no SL-10 shown, therefore, there is no SL-10.

Ross
11-25-2003, 11:46 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Rich R.:</font><hr> Just tell the guy to look at the portion of the APA scoresheet, where handicaps are calculated. There is no SL-10 shown, therefore, there is no SL-10. <hr /></blockquote>

Good call, Rich!

Ross ~ thinks maybe the guy who says "mine goes up to 10" should be considered for "Spinal Tap II" /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Troy
11-25-2003, 12:31 PM
Dumb keyboard... /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote ChrisW:</font><hr>
SL-7 is the highest for 8-ball

I bet you knew this but just typed it incorrectly.

Chris <hr /></blockquote>

sack316
11-25-2003, 01:04 PM
see if the guy wants to place a bet on it, at least get a buck for your aggrivation or something! sl 1 up to 9 in 9 ball... Sack just got bumped up this week too (boo), so of course as my luck dictates I got stuck playing a a pretty decent 1... 'nuff said.

UWPoolGod
11-25-2003, 03:24 PM
Just tell the guy to look at the portion of the APA scoresheet, where handicaps are calculated. There is no SL-10 shown, therefore, there is no SL-10. &lt;--- Rich

Exactly. I mean would a SL-10 have to give up one more game on a race to a lower ranked player...even though it is not on there? No. The guy is a moron.

UWPoolGod
11-25-2003, 03:27 PM
Now when I played in the USPPA tournaments in Seattle I was initially rated a 70, after a few tourneys I was bumped up to a 85 or so from the home office. The TD was a 103, good player, little stronger than me possibly. Well after a tourney that I played him, that he had to spot me one game and I beat him 5-0, no matter what number the main office came back with me he always bumped me over 100 so he didn't have to spot me anymore. Didn't matter in those times we played, but he still changed my number at his discretion.

cycopath
11-25-2003, 04:02 PM
"As stated in the USPPA rules, until the player is considered established by having 99 or more score sheets, his or her average can be adjusted (in either direction) by the tournament director if he feels the player’s average is way off, because either the estimate was way off, or the player’s number of sheets is still too low to give a realistic average."


I assume he wouldn't be able to do that once you got your 99 games recorded, right?

UWPoolGod
11-25-2003, 04:29 PM
Yeah according to that I guess so. After the 99 matches the number they send out would be it and not subject to change. I don't think that I had 99 sheets into it when I moved. And there is no USPPA tourneys here in Vancouver, and don't know of any in Portland. Being that high playing lower players made it always a 5-2 race anyways so once up there is doesn't matter what rating you are. But when you are playing better players you obviously don't want to give up any weight, so I can see the other guys gripe.

Troy
11-25-2003, 04:54 PM
In a race to 5, the max spot is 3 games. It is NOT always 5-2.
Examples -- a 100 vs a 40 = 3 game spot, while a 100 vs 80 = a 1 game spot.
A 100 vs 81 would play even.

You can check out http://www.usppa.com/asps/Rooms.asp to determine if there is/are rooms in your area.

Troy

Pelican
11-25-2003, 05:33 PM
"Ross ~ thinks maybe the guy who says "mine goes up to 10" should be considered for "Spinal Tap II" "

Hey, my score sheet gets up to 10 (after I sprinkle Viagra on it) /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

UWPoolGod
11-25-2003, 05:57 PM
I know and understand the game spotting break down. What I was saying is that when there are two or three 90+ players playing in the tourney and the rest of the 20+ field is around 30-40 you are almost always giving up 3 games. I liked it cause it made you concentrate on all of the run outs. One missed ball at the end of a game or a jarred 9 puts them on the hill.

cycopath
11-26-2003, 05:17 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote sack316:</font><hr> see if the guy wants to place a bet on it, at least get a buck for your aggrivation or something! sl 1 up to 9 in 9 ball... Sack just got bumped up this week too (boo), so of course as my luck dictates I got stuck playing a a pretty decent 1... 'nuff said. <hr /></blockquote>

Damn I wish we had a 9ball league down here on the coast.

Perk
01-27-2004, 09:12 AM
Well, last night we played the team with the idiot on it. And I showed him the APA sheet with the SL's. He STILL claims that there is a 10 in 9ball. Well, he changed his tune a bit. Now he claims that after a player shoots as a 9 and doesnt lose any games, he can be declare a pro, hence the 10 rating. I didnt even argue with him. I just went yep, guess we bother were right.....I was so annoyed, but my team was laughing so hard. Just thought I would let some of ya know that read the first post.

Sending the SL-10's on the road now!

pooltchr
01-27-2004, 10:08 AM
Just so you know, I asked the APA what constitutes a "Pro" in their league. They told me anyone who makes more than 1/2 of their income from pool is considered a pro.

Hey Scott....does that include you?

Scott Lee
01-27-2004, 10:55 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote pooltchr:</font><hr> Just so you know, I asked the APA what constitutes a "Pro" in their league. They told me anyone who makes more than 1/2 of their income from pool is considered a pro.

Hey Scott....does that include you? <hr /></blockquote>

Steve...Technically, yes! I make 100% of my income from pool. Do I play at that top level? In a word...NO! LOL

Scott