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rackmup
02-19-2002, 01:52 AM
As some of you already know, I'm receiving a Justis case as a wedding gift. I had never seen one until tonight. They are beautiful cases but I noticed while the tubes for the shafts are tight fitting, the tubes for the butts are loose!

Does anyone out there that owns a Justis case have any info for me about this? I mean...shouldn't the butt tubes be tight also? That sounded a little kinky didn't it? Seriously, I would like to know if any Justis owners are unhappy with their cases, have had problems, etc.

02-19-2002, 01:55 AM
Hi Ken,
I have a Swift case, which is very similar to the Justice. I know what you are saying and mine is the same way but I have not had any trouble.
Not exactly the type of case you want when you have an aching back /ccboard/images/icons/laugh.gif

02-19-2002, 02:19 AM
rackmup, what type of cues are you shooting with? Just curious, because I had a Meucci which fit quite tight in my instroke case - so much so that I was afraid that I was scratching the finish of the cue whenever I stuck it in and out. My Schon is slightly loose in my Instroke, but not enough to worry me. With that said, not all cues have the same diameter butt.

02-19-2002, 04:07 AM
Hi,
I have the Justis case and as you said it,s beautiful.In regards to the tubes you,re right.The butt is moving in the tube.You have to put something soft beetwen the butt and the tube so the butt is not moving.

Rich R.
02-19-2002, 06:05 AM
Ken, I've had my Justis case for almost a year. Although the tubes are also loose for my cue butts, I have seen no damage caused by the case. I also believe, if they were tight, it would be difficult to remove them from the case.

I don't know if it is a problem with your cues, but my cues are somewhat standard 58" long. The Justis cases are made to accomodate longer cues. I purchased the very inexpensive case spacers from the market place at AZbilliards.com and they work great. Rich R.

02-19-2002, 08:40 AM
Ken:

As much as I love my Justis case, isn't getting married to acquire one a bit drastic?????

I've had mine (3x6 two small pouches / suede body) for about three years now and it's great. It has traveled with me all over the world and the "loose" butt has never been a problem. It allows me to insert an assembled cue for transport from table to table, or use it this way rather than lean my cue. No damage to the cues (two Capone's and a Parris) has ever occurred. Rest easy, my friend, I'd be more concerned about the damage getting married may do.

Adios,

Pizza Bob

02-19-2002, 03:16 PM
I've owned a Justis case for 7 or 8 years and it is a very durable and great looking case. The butt sections are somewhat loose and have never been a problem. As for the shafts, I wipe the chalk off the tip after playing and then put the shaft in tip first. Which is the way Jack Justis told me to load the case. I don't have any problems and I use joint protectors on butt and shafts. You're probably already loading like that, but if not, try it.

02-19-2002, 04:09 PM
Hey Rich:

Did the case spacers fit in the shaft tubes as well? I am a little hesitant to use a tissue as Jack suggests due to the particles of chalk getting on the ferrule ( I know I should wipe the tip off...). Others have suggested using a wooden dowel, but even a 5/8" size won;t slide in, and I don't want to force the dowel down for fear of not getting it back out.

Thanks,

Zach

02-19-2002, 05:50 PM
I had one of these cases for a while. They're very good-looking. They are also extremely
heavy to lug around. The only weak link I noticed was the flimsy clasp (like on a cheap
purse), which eventually became loose. Also, someone on the board here has remarked that
he could not get repair service from the maker. I sold my Justis 2-4 case to Sid Vicious for
$75, which is what I paid for it (used but in good shape). I think they're more like $300 or
$400 new.

SpiderMan

02-19-2002, 05:58 PM
Jack sold me my case with a handful of black marbles but any will do. Load them down each tube until the shafts and butts fit snugly when the lid closes. That keeps everything fitting nicely.

Rich R.
02-21-2002, 08:14 AM
You may be able to force the spacers into the shaft tubes, but the information that comes with them, recommends against using them for the shafts. In my case, as long as I don't push the shafts all the way into the tubes, they stay high enough to pull out. I use joint protectors and that makes the shafts a little longer. The Whitten case company makes spacers for both butts and shafts in their cases. You may try getting some of their spacers. They may fit. They also make a tool to put the spacers in and take them out. Rich R.

Doctor_D
02-21-2002, 08:23 AM
I own a customized Jack Justis Case and to say that I am delighted with it beyond words would prove to be an understatement. Now, in regards to your question which you posted on the CCB. The tubes for the butt sections are oversized because cues are available in so many different diameters. Mine, which are smaller in diameter then most, fit just fine and I am not the least bit concerned with the fact that they are loose side to side.

However, due to the depth of the tubes; for the shafts as well as the butt sections, I did need to result to some custom engineering. I had wooden dowels cut to make "spacers" to raise the shafts and the butts to a height with which I could remove them with-out having to turn the case upside down. Additionally, so as to cushion these new spacers, I used the self adhesive felt pads which we would use under an item, like a lamp, to protect the surface of a piece of furniture. With these few "customizations, my Jack Justis Case is Perfect in every detail.

Dr. D.

Fred Agnir
02-21-2002, 09:10 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>

Justis case ... shafts are tight fitting, the tubes for the butts are loose!

<hr></blockquote>

Jack uses standard size PVC pipe for the tubes. He has said that he likes the idea of air circulating around the butts and shafts so that moisture from condensation or whatever doesn't get trapped. That being said, some shafts like my Schuler are thicker. So, there is an interference between the shafts and the shaft tubes.

So, for those whose shafts do not interfere, the suggestion is to stuff something in the shafts (dowels, kleenex, spring-loaded plungers) such that the shafts stay up to a desired height. For those with interfering shafts, the suggestion is to cut the tubes shorter by a little bit (not too much). If you're handy, you can ream the first few inches of the tube to accept the thicker shaft.

So, for future buyers, tell Jack what the thickness of the shafts are. He might be able to choose the thinnest wall PVC pipe (there is a bit of tolerance) available. That's what I have.

Fred

02-24-2002, 10:53 AM
General Info about Instroke Tubes:

The Instroke tubes are fully lined with a cotton/synthetic blend. The fabric is soft and durable and will not ever scratch the finish.

Instroke butt tubes are also lined with high quality foam rubber which acts as a buffer between the cues and the tubes themselves. This is the reason that the appearance of tightness is felt. What is happening is that the faom rubber is conforming to the thickest part of the cue as it settles into the tube. The reason we did this is to insure that the cue butts will stay in the case until they are taken out by the player. My expensive cue falling out of my(then) expensive case is what got me started building cases. The added benefit is that the Instroke tube construction offers great protection against sideways impact - where your cue would rapidly hit the sides of the tube repeatedly in fast succession. This type of impact, which comes from the case being dropped mostly, can cause the joint above the wrap to loosen and crack.

I hope this has been helpful to alleviate the fear of scratching the butt.

Q-guy
02-24-2002, 03:41 PM
I have always wondered about leather cases. Wouldn't the leather tend to attract moisture to the case? Doesn't it also breath? In the case of the Justis case, it does not protect the cue hardly at all from humidity. It does not seal up at all. I know I have pulled cues out of a Justis case where the irish linen wrap was actually wet. Is leather really that good a material for cue cases? I think I would prefer some sort of synthetic for the most protection posable. As well as a case that seals 100%. Have you done testing of better materials then leather?

Brady_Behrman
02-24-2002, 03:46 PM
I have a Justis Case that is the same way. No probs here though. Call Jack maybe he has a fix for it..

Rod
02-24-2002, 06:31 PM
Hi Dr. Diana,
Your post reminds me of when I made a spacer for my
jump cue. I was playing in a tournament and was left
a shot that was near impossible to kick at. I rarely
use my jump cue so it was in the case. I mean it was really stuck in the case. Here I am beating my case on the floor
trying to get that stupid cue to come out. It seems
several people found that very intertaining. Well I
had to laugh at myself also. I finally got the cue out and
decided after that episode changes had to be made.
Hoppie now comes out with ease.

02-25-2002, 01:45 AM
Some of the older cues (Brunswick, Rambow and Wille Hoppe) have a "fatter" butt to them. This is probably why that shaft is less tight.

rackmup
02-25-2002, 10:33 AM
I narrowed my choices down to two case makers; JJ and InStroke.

I liked features of both and the prices were similar, with the JJ being $200 more (approx.)

What led me to decide on the JJ was:

1. His cases are unique and customized to the individual player's requests.

2. Not as "common" as the InStroke. I wanted something unique while also being "uniquely" mine.

The InStroke cases are as good as the JJ, IMO, for protecting the cues. The problem of the butts being subjected to damage from frequently dropping the case? Well...I have never (knock on wood) dropped my Porper case with my McDermott cues and I certainly don't plan on dropping my JJ case with it's new Richard Black cue!

InStroke cases are nice but couldn't find any info that indicated I could have it customized.

Regards and best of luck with your fine products,

Ken (doesn't like "off the rack")

rackmup
02-25-2002, 10:43 AM
I would be concerned if I removed my cue from it's case and discovered the wrap to be wet! That had to be exposed to some serious humidity!

I spoke with a gentleman from Texas (where it is VERY humid during the summer) who owned a JJ case. He said he had owned the case for 6 years. His cues were as shiny and void of any scratches as the day they were made.

I asked about the humidity issue and he responded, "If you leave your cues in your car, I can see where it might happen. Are you going to leave a $2500 cue and $600 case in your car?"

That made sense.

He also placed a little packet of "silica" crystals inside his case to help reduce any possibility of moisture build-up (from any moisture that may be left on his wrap from a day of intense playing.)

I don't believe any case, regardless of how it "latches" will prevent humidity from building up in a case to some degree...zippers are not 100% airtight as far as I know.

Any thoughts on this from the other posters here?

Regards,

Ken

Q-guy
02-25-2002, 11:34 AM
Serious humidity is what I am talking about. In Florida you can go from your air conditioned home with 45% humidity out to your car in 98% or 100% In the summer when it rains every day. I was leaving the poolroom one night and a guy stopped me in the parking lot and wanted to ask me something about his cue. Before I could say lets go inside he had pulled it out. (his cue I mean) In maybe a minute the whole cue was wet. We went inside and left it on a table to dry before putting it back in the case. I know nothing is 100% but I think my choice of case would be one that I felt gave me the maximum protection. The old box type cases with the seam around the case gave no protection from humidity at all. Some of the cases today with the loose fitting caps are not much better. It is not a knock on any one case, but I think it is true.

02-26-2002, 02:14 AM
If you want custom then you can hardly do any better than Jack Justis or Dan Whitten.

Although we do offer many combinations which are limited most of our cases are indeed, "off the rack". I would compare them however to buying a Mercedes off the lot though. There is not one thing about either Justis or Whitten in construction or performance that is better than an Instroke.

My post was only intended to alleviate fears of scratching the butt. Jack has written in another thread that too tight of a fit may dull the finish and I agree for the foam core type case which forces the cue into the cavity against hard walls. In Instroke cases the fabric is soft and should never wear the finish at all. The foam rubber applies a very gentle pressure as the cue is lowered into the tubes. There is not one single cue in this world at any price that I would not polish with the interior lining material that Instroke uses.

Thank you.

Cueless Joey
02-26-2002, 03:09 AM
That's where you place all the money you won Misel. LOL
Onthehill.net just received their beautiful Justis cases.
Droooollllll!

clarence
02-26-2002, 04:59 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: instroke:</font><hr> If you want custom then you can hardly do any better than Jack Justis or Dan Whitten.

Although we do offer many combinations which are limited most of our cases are indeed, "off the rack". I would compare them however to buying a Mercedes off the lot though. There is not one thing about either Justis or Whitten in construction or performance that is better than an Instroke.

My post was only intended to alleviate fears of scratching the butt. Jack has written in another thread that too tight of a fit may dull the finish and I agree for the foam core type case which forces the cue into the cavity against hard walls. In Instroke cases the fabric is soft and should never wear the finish at all. The foam rubber applies a very gentle pressure as the cue is lowered into the tubes. There is not one single cue in this world at any price that I would not polish with the interior lining material that Instroke uses.

Thank you.

<hr></blockquote>

ah thanks for clarrfying that. I always had this concern about instroke case in the past. Would now consider getting a instroke in the near future. M

02-26-2002, 10:44 AM
Ken, Justis cases are certainly beautiful and unique. The only problem I've had with mine is that the snap button at the end of the strap to open/close the case lid is very hard to get snapped on. Perhaps this is a just a isolated problem, but I really should have it fixed - as this alone has caused me to opt for using my Instroke case when I leave our room here. I also seem to prefer the tighter fit that the Instroke case provides.

Jack provides custom complimentary cases for a number of the top pro tour players (male and female), with their name or nickname engraved on the case, etc. Many of them get a new one every year or two - after Jack confirms with them exactly what they want (material, color, etc.)! - Chris in NC