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be1163
01-05-2004, 07:15 AM
I've returned after not picking up a cue for a couple of years and I expected to be as good as when I left. Big mistake! I'm not saying I was great or even good back then but I was a lot better then now. For the last 2 weeks I've been getting suggestions and tips from an assortment of different players at the local hall. Out of all the tips and suggestions the best one of all in my mind has been "forget about left/right english and just focus on cue ball control". This is what I have been doing, it does seem to be working. I can now predict where the cue ball will end up and how it will get there as well as my ball making is up because I don't have to worry about english. I find it wierd at times when not using english, it almost seems I don't have to even think about position it just happens! My question is where do I go from here, the next step? Any suggestions and comments are appreciated. Thanks.

pooltchr
01-05-2004, 07:53 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote be1163:</font><hr>I've been getting suggestions and tips from an assortment of different players at the local hall. <hr /></blockquote>
This could cause you more problems and headaches than you can imagine. Find one person, preferably an instructor that you are comfortable working with, and work with them. I have heard too many really good players give advice to others that is way off base. Good players are not necessarily good coaches or teachers.

That being said, your discovery of using natural roll for cue ball control will help considerably. It's amazing how much control you have simply by using the proper speed and letting the cue ball follow it's natural path. Once players discover english, it tends to be overused and can cause a lot of problems. Continue to work on the basics, and your game will come back to you quickly.
Good luck!

01-05-2004, 11:27 AM

Wally_in_Cincy
01-05-2004, 12:08 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote whitewolf:</font><hr>
...I am not quite as brilliant as Fast Larry (can I hear someone snickering in the background...<hr /></blockquote>

that was me /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

dpresley58
01-05-2004, 02:17 PM
Welcome back. I was in a similar situation not long ago. Coupled with the fact that my prescription glasses had seen better days, I was pretty frustrated for a while.

I found a great instructor, and a couple of really good books by Robert Byrne (you can find them at Amazon.com) "The New Standard Book..." and his companion text, the Advanced book.

Drills will help tremendously in getting your stroke back where you want it. If you're interested, I'll forward several to you.

Good luck, and have fun.
David Presley
Austin, Texas.

be1163
01-05-2004, 02:38 PM
Drills would be excellent! Also I will look into the books you have mentioned.

Thank you very much.

tateuts
01-05-2004, 10:45 PM
I would offer the following advice: be patient. It will take a while to get it back. Just have fun and genuinely look forward to the constant improvement.

Also, my other advice is: use english. Put all kinds of crap on the ball. I mean, what good player have you ever seen who doesn't use english? Learning how and when to use english is imperative to the game. Just don't use english to aim.

Chris

SPetty
01-06-2004, 06:33 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote tateuts:</font><hr> Just don't use english to aim.<hr /></blockquote>Huh? /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Isn't it true that if you use english, your aim must be compensated for the throw? So, wouldn't it then follow that you must take into account the english you're using when you're aiming? Especially if you "put all kinds of crap on the ball"?

SPetty~~~still looking forward to "constant improvement"... /ccboard/images/graemlins/frown.gif

bluewolf
01-06-2004, 07:30 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote whitewolf:</font><hr>
...I am not quite as brilliant as Fast Larry (can I hear someone snickering in the background...<hr /></blockquote>

that was me /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Just because a person is bright does not mean that they have social skills. Then there is book smart and common sense smart. My father had both. FL has one of these. Guess which one. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I don't know if I am as smart as FL in IQ either but I don't agree that intelligence gets in the way. I think it is other factors like concentration, being able to shut down the talking part of the brain when down on the shot etc. I would have to disagree with what he said.

I have seen choking in persons of all intelligences. FL and I have had many converstions about all of this. I see personality factors, recognizing ones strengths and weaknesses relative to their inclinations and being able to work around that to achieve relaxation, focus etc. For instance, distractions affect players differently depending on the player. One is distracted by what is going around them, while another may be barraged with thoughts of work, what they are doing after the match etc. It pays to know oneself so that one can shut down those distractions using their 'mental toolbox' tailored to that player.

When I am rusty in my game, I try to not put condemnation on myself.WW and I had back injuries and were not able to play much for 2 months. Naturally, after that period, there was tuning up to do, regrooving. Why would I expect to just hop on the table and things be just like they were when i had to lay down the cue for a period of time. To me, that would be unrealistic.

Just shoot relaxed and for fun until things start clicking again. Beating oneself up over not being as good as before is in my opinion 'self-sabotage'. Just keep going to the table (providing knowlege of basics) and things will get better.

JMy .02

Laura

dmgwalsh
01-06-2004, 09:13 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote be1163:</font><hr> Drills would be excellent! Also I will look into the books you have mentioned.

Thank you very much. <hr /></blockquote>

A guy named recovery jones put up these drills on another forum:
http://www.poolroom.com/nadine/
http://www.mabn.com/improve/drilmain.htm#drill-body
http://www.barenada.com/poolworkout.shtml
http://www.geocities.com/blkjackds12/Drills.html

Black Belt Billiards also has a lot of good drills in it. Dennis Walsh

tateuts
01-06-2004, 09:53 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SPetty:</font><hr> :

Isn't it true that if you use english, your aim must be compensated for the throw? So, wouldn't it then follow that you must take into account the english you're using when you're aiming? Especially if you "put all kinds of crap on the ball"?

<hr /></blockquote>

Yes. What I mean is, the purpose of english is (mostly) for cue ball control - to accurately steer the cueball to unnatural positions or add or kill running speed to the ball. Some players use the throw effect of english as an aiming device - which is why they miss pressure shots.

Chris

YesaYesiJAH
02-01-2004, 08:18 AM
When asked if you are far-sighted or near-sighted, tell them insighted... (or incited, in this particular case). Have you tried Acuvue lenses? Far more comfortable than most others, past or present.
We played pool once, no? What was the place next door to Blythe Spirit's? I just remember, it was quick! And I didn't win...
So to play better?
Up the ante!
Strip pool... or Russian RUlette (requires more balls than most games)
I like looking at the world through rose-colored eyes...
and asking opponent shooting the 8-ball, http://www.clicks.com/phoenix/images/Ball_8.gif
"when you shoot, do you breath in or out?"
- try it sometime.
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