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SixSence
01-25-2004, 10:40 PM
Pool seems to be a game leaning towards adults only. I think it's quite disturbing that many of the talented youths of today can't join or play in just about every league or tournament. They have no chance to prove themselves, compete against the talented players out there. There just isn't any future unless of course you fall into that small group of kids that live where all the action and pros are. Just about every league and tournament is at least 18 and up, mostly 21 and up because they are held in bars and adult pool halls. I think the sport was ruined by gambling and hustling. When most of the average joe's think of pool they think of gambling and movies like the hustler or the color of money which portrays the gambling side of pool, which society doesnt want associated with today's youth, and therefore kids dont get the same chances as in just about every other sport. When do you ever here of a kid's league in pool? Yet there is one just about everywhere for every sport excluding pool. Pool is such a fascinating sport and in my opinion better and more appropriate for kids then any other sport. Just think what some of today's kids could do or what would happen to the popularity and image of the sport if opportunities and leagues would open up that included the below 18 and 21 age group.

I'm 16 myself, and ive been playing pool since I was 5 only because my parents play in the APA and we have a pool table. Otherwise, I would of never even been introduced to the sport and had the opportunity to play it. I live in va where the pool competiton in the certain area I live in is very slim, and I don't even get the chance to see good players play except for on tv. I haven't had the chance to be taught by anyone with any real skill in the game, and there is not one tournament or league i can join anywhere near here, and im sure its the same way with kids in most places accross the country. As I view myself, Im a pretty descent pool player that just havent had any opportunities to do anything with it. I shoot now at about the level of a 6 in the APA (8 ball), but could of been much much better by now if i lived around the right people or there were leagues for my age group. Since there havent been many opportunities to do anything with my hobby, I've been forced to play just for fun and sometimes for money at a local bar, which is the only place i can get into to play pool, only because the owners are friends with my parents, otherwise its 21 and up. Ive run out of competition where i live, most everyone is not really that good at all, and i wish i had the opportunity to compete, play, and learn from better players, but i guess thats just the way it is.

Feel free to post your thoughts on the subject, i'd be glad to here what other people near my age or adults have to say about the matter. Thanks for reading my post.

Popcorn
01-26-2004, 04:01 AM
I think most of the league players just see it as a night out, have a few beers and play a little pool. After all, that is why the bar sponsors the league, for most, these are some of their best nights. I doubt a bar owner has any interest in sponsoring a league with a bunch of kids hanging around, that can't even drink and have no money to spend. At 16, you don't belong hanging out in a bar anyway.

cleff
01-26-2004, 04:36 AM
Not all billiard clubs are bars. I think the point was that youger people don't even have a chance to play competitively. Why does one have to be 21 to play APA? Of course a lot has to do with the legal drinking age, but it's still unfair to the younger players IMO.

NH_Steve
01-26-2004, 06:20 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SixSence:</font><hr>
I think the sport was ruined by gambling and hustling. When most of the average joe's think of pool they think of gambling and movies like the hustler or the color of money which portrays the gambling side of pool, which society doesnt want associated with today's youth, and therefore kids dont get the same chances as in just about every other sport. When do you ever here of a kid's league in pool? Yet there is one just about everywhere for every sport excluding pool. <hr /></blockquote>Welcome to a great game that you will be able to enjoy pretty much until you're horizontal, but you have to get over the idea that gambling ruined pool When did it do that? If you study a little pool history, you'll quickly see that gambling has been part of pool since the very beginning -- hundreds of years ago! It's not going to go away, so you are going to have to find a way to deal with it on a comfortable level for yourself, that's all.

It could probably be flushed out of professional pool to a degree (like it apparently was in golf) -- but only if the BCA and the media industry pumped way more money into a genuine professional pool tour, which ain't happening because ironically those same industries that are more than happy to profit from movies like The Hustler &amp; The Color of Money are two-faced enough to use the excuse of the hustling &amp; gambling to withhold their support for the pros. Boy would I like to give them a good swift boot in the butt! /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Don't you have any pool rooms near you with weekend tournaments? They almost always allow kids if you've got any kind of chaperone, and often they're broken down by player rating or handicapping.

Rich R.
01-26-2004, 06:42 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote cleff:</font><hr> Why does one have to be 21 to play APA? <hr /></blockquote>
Because the majority of leagues are in establishments which serve alcohol and a beer company is one of the national sponsors.

I think the APA should look into starting youth leagues in non-alcohol serving pool rooms. It would benefit everyone.

JimS
01-26-2004, 06:57 AM
You are right...it's not fair. That's life.

Most everything in life is determined by whether or not money can be made doing it and there just isn't much money to be made in juvinile pool.

Have you taken advantage of the opportunities that do exist? I know that there are BCA Junior tournaments and qualifiers. I don't know much about them but I know they exist. Check it out.

Sorry but there's just not much more to be said on the subject except....keep practicing and wait, or travel to tournaments when do you get the opportunity.

And there's nothing wrong with betting some on a game. There is something wrong with any kind of cheating.

Fred Agnir
01-26-2004, 07:25 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SixSence:</font><hr> As I view myself, Im a pretty descent pool player that just havent had any opportunities to do anything with it. I shoot now at about the level of a 6 in the APA (8 ball), but could of been much much better by now if i lived around the right people or there were leagues for my age group. <hr /></blockquote>This has less to do with your age and more to do with where you live, unfortunately.

If this sport weren't available for youths, why is is that people start playing as kids? What about the junior national tournaments? The Valley Forge under 18 and under 14 tournament? Where are these players playing?

Fred &lt;~~~ wonders how sixsence knows about being a 6.

JPB
01-26-2004, 08:16 AM
First, the post above was right in saying get over the mistaken idea that gambling has ruined pool. That is just a bunch of BS. If anything, kids ruined pool. When the soldiers returned from WWII they had too many damn kids and stopped going to real pool halls. They played golf. They voted for socialists who will make it so you are enslaved paying for their kids' social security all your life. Their kids played Nintendo not pool. No, I am not blaming the decline of pool on kids, but it had nothing to do with gambling. All kinds of factors were at work. Television, family life, the move to suburbia, etc... Also forget the idea of leagues. These are stupid and won't help you play well. I wish I had the chance to play as much as you do now at your age. Oh, maybe I did. But I was maybe 19 when I discovered pool halls. The old no alcohol pool halls where I could go and learn the game. Those places need to exist for kids to learn and the game to prosper. But they have a hard time making it. Even pool halls that can serve some alcohol and let kids in at least during the day. So all you have to do is figure out how to get people interested enough in the game they will support real pool halls, rather than bars w/ a couple bar boxes and a pool league. If you do, tell me, because I'd love to see it happen. I wish a decent pool hall could make it where I live, maybe I'd open one.

Wally_in_Cincy
01-26-2004, 09:41 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Rich R.:</font><hr>I think the APA should look into starting youth leagues in non-alcohol serving pool rooms. It would benefit everyone. <hr /></blockquote>

I think they have done this, but it's just getting off the ground. The BCA is trying to team up with "boys/girls clubs" for a program too. Just a pilot program in CO Springs so far.

UWPoolGod
01-26-2004, 09:46 AM
I like pool for what it is...a one-on-one battle of skill. There are lots of sports/games that certain kids are not privie (sp?) to when they are growing up. I mean even my Dad was a great local player when I was a kid (bringin' home the steaks) but I had never seen a pool table until I was 16. Didn't start playing until I was 19. Looking back I wish that I would have been introduced at an earlier age...given 10 extra years of experience...forgeddaboutit. Like that 10 year old at the DCC who's only been playing for 4 1/2 years. But hey that is what happens. I wish I had been turned on to golf way earlier like Tiger Woods, but I didn't start that until 18. I am about an 8 handicap but what would have been if I had been playing since age 4...perhaps no handicap. Not everyones parents can afford to send their kids for lessons or to the poolhall every day. You should be gracious that you grew up with a pool table in your house.

As far as saying watch out for a 16 year old playing for money in a bar...lots of people on this forum are very good players with many years of playing for money under their belt, and doubt they would have any issues with plopping down money to play a self-designated SL-6. I wouldn't have any as well.

Foxtrott
01-26-2004, 10:04 AM
I agree with what you said Rich as I have a son and he has an interest in having also more than local run tourneys .I think a commitment to a team or to a tournament point standing is also a great way to show the responsiblitys that you have as a player when older . A little leauge like APA would be great for kids . All this must start in the poolrooms though to establish a standing of interest other than a few parents like myself. It needs to be shown that there are enogh partisapents to partisapate (sorry for spelling I can shoot though /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif ) . That maybe is soomething that needs to be brought up and established but I have not seen anyone that has really taken the time other than a few pool room owners.Somebody needs to start it before it will work and then present it to like the APA and say here this is what I have can we make this APA based ?

01-26-2004, 10:49 AM

Foxtrott
01-26-2004, 11:32 AM
Yes , There is a pool hall in Baltimore where a few senior abouve average shooters take the time to properly train the kids in straight pool (maybe 9 now) .It keeps the kids out of trouble . It also gives them 1 heck of a 9 ball game .They have been doing it for about 25 years that I know of .Sorry can't mention the name as every parent would be running out and trying to take their child there. My parents did'nt like it because of the cigar smoke they had back then but they got over it . They also complained of my sister being a Tom boy for going there also but they got over that too . All I can say is Thanks because I know I was heading down the wrong road.I would'nt worry about the one your seeing at the game you say . Id worry about the one they are still training /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

bigshooter
01-26-2004, 11:42 AM
From a purely philosophical standpoint I agree wholeheartedly I would love to see the game of pool widely available in a more wholesome environment so kids would have more access but Iím afraid it boils down to an money issue.
Family pool rooms have a hard time making a go of it, in my area one family pool room that was geared for the most part towards young people shut its doors and another has been forced to start selling beer or go out of business.
As far as gambling its human nature that causes that, right or wrong it is going to exist,
It was mentioned in another post that it was eradicated for the most part from professional golf but those guys make phenomenal amounts of money and donít need a lot of side action.
I have spent a lot of time seeking out more wholesome places to play and I know itís a difficult task and not easily remedied.

Tom_In_Cincy
01-26-2004, 12:01 PM
Good News.. there is an organization (Billiards Education Foundation) that is promoting Pocket Billiards in School. It's not everywhere but it is growing. California, Texas and even Ohio have School sponsored programs for High School aged students to spend time in a Billiard Room to learn about the history of Billiards, the games and the rules, and how to play.

In Sacramento, CA. there is a daily visit to Hard Times Billiards by approx. 60 students. The School has added Pocket Billiards to the choices of "Bowling and Archery" so far Pocket Billiards has been the overwhelming choice. The class starts at 8am and lasts until 930am. There is a billiards instructor and teacher present at all times. For the school to allow such an outing a training syllabus and accreditation must be submitted and approved. This was accomplished by a dedicated teacher and pocket billiard enthusist.

I can't remember if it's Houston or Dallas where there is another class like the one at Hard Times.

Cincinnati has a daily Pocket Billiard outing for the High School Students. Not as structured, but still exposure to Pocket Billiards.

These programs have also joined with the BEF for scholarship opportunities.

The BEF also works in conjunction with the BCA.
You can read more about this on the BCA Website.

sandgnat
01-26-2004, 12:46 PM
Are they teaching the fundamentals of gambling as well? This could easily be combined with microeconomics to round out the curriculum. The advanced course could incorporate hustling basics and focus on studying "human moves" for additional sociology credits. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Tom_In_Cincy
01-26-2004, 12:49 PM
funny /ccboard/images/graemlins/mad.gif

daviddjmp
01-26-2004, 01:14 PM
The pool hall I play in has a lounge and bar, but any age is welcome to play at the 19 tables they have there. You have to be 21 to go into the bar area. Food and soft drinks are available to anyone, and there are a lot of good players that come in as well who are great to watch. Some of them give lessons as well. I think there is a conscious effort to make pool a real family activity, at least in that California Pool Hall-

UTAddb
01-26-2004, 01:18 PM
If you're trying to get in leagues or tourneys and you have supporting parents, go the poolhall with your parents and talk to them and usually they will let you play, it's easy to tell a kid to scram but hard to say no to the parents. This probably won't work for 21+. My mom came the first couple tourney or league and they didn't even care after that. Hope that helps.

SixSence
01-26-2004, 01:19 PM
The sport is partially ruined by gambling. It's because of the human nature of gambling that the sport is associated with it to begin with. You don't see any other sport in the world more associated with gambling then pool. Why is it that out of every sport there is pool is the most gambling dependant and everyone thinks of hustling when they think of pool. Movies such as 'The Hustler' gave that outlook on the game. Why is it that out of all the sports, pool has to be the one held in bars with alcohol? Why out of all the other sports do you have to serve alcohol in order for people to enjoy playing the sport? Every other sport has some local youth league, but in billiards you have to live in the right location or be able to have the money and time to travel everywhere just to be able to play. I don't know about you, but my parents work a 9-5 shift every day and dont have the time to take me to different states to play in tournaments. Obviously the game has been ruined by gambling since it's just about the only sport that a kid can't play in school or find in an everyday place. I live in Midlothian, Va, outside of Richmond, and there are three places that are anywhere near me that have pool tables. Two of which are straight up bars, and one resembles a pool hall but serves alcohol like a bar so im still not aloud in. Of course if i was like that 14 year old who could run 6 racks that your talking about and had a dad that had the time to take me all over the country to play in tournaments it could work out for me, but how often do you get that lucky? Or maybe if I lived next to places that had junior leagues like the BCA, but that isn't near as common as finding a bear in the suburban area. Or how about living near a local "family" pool hall, but no, i'd have to travel 500 miles to find one of those around here. If the sport wasn't ruined by gambling and bars and alcohol, then maybe, just maybe, pool junior leagues could of been as common as a local kids baseball league. (keep dreaming)

I do totally agree that is more of a location problem then anything else, but if the sport had come about like all of the others, it wouldnt be a problem consideration it would be everywhere. One day, way past my time, people will probably realise this and make this more of a family sport then a gambling sport.

Wally_in_Cincy
01-26-2004, 01:26 PM
Good point.

All states are different but generally minors can go into a bar if accompanied by a parent. Here in Ohio a minor can drink if they are with a parent.

Iowashark
01-26-2004, 02:18 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SixSence:</font><hr> The sport is partially ruined by gambling. It's because of the human nature of gambling that the sport is associated with it to begin with. You don't see any other sport in the world more associated with gambling then pool. <hr /></blockquote>


How about horce racing, or golf (skins)?
Gambling is involved in every sport, some just take different approaches towards it.

I'm sure the reason pool is associated with bars and alcohol is because until the last couple decades it has never really been a 'spectator sport'. It was a bar game like darts and shuffleboard. Now if pool reaches a point of popularity where it becomes more of a spectator sport, more tv coverage, etc...it will probably be more common for there to be family pool halls and more junior leagues.

And in response to your comment of gambling ruining pool, I disagree. Nothing has ruined pool, in my eyes it one of the most enjoyable past times in my life right now and is by no means ruined. If in your eyes it is ruined, take up something else and leave the whining to the WNBA. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

SixSence
01-26-2004, 02:29 PM
First of all, I didn't say the game its self was ruined... obviously its a good sport to play. Im saying how the sport is looked at, the popularity and everything about the sport is ruined by the outlook it has gained.

And you are right.. There are some sports that have the same or maybe a little bit more gambling associated with it, but we are talking about how fast horses can run as opposed to a sport that anyone can play as long as they have a table to play on, that no matter what age you are you can play just as good as someone older and for it to be so much of a gambling sport and associated with bars and alcohol, its a shame.

UWPoolGod
01-26-2004, 02:32 PM
Why is it that out of all the sports, pool has to be the one held in bars with alcohol? Why out of all the other sports do you have to serve alcohol in order for people to enjoy playing the sport? &lt;&lt;----Six

Pool is a game where no matter how old you are you can always have a good time. Which is why people frequent bar establishments...hell i know planty of people who come to the bar just to socialize and don't drink. Any number of "bar games" are there to bring people in the door so they have a good time. It is unfortunate that bars are the only places with pool tables. But leagues like the APA and BCA could never survive on pool halls alone. They need that element of society to be able to have something like that. All I can see is that you are trying to link in people playing pool in bars and drinking. Not everyone who plays APA/BCA league in bars is getting tossed every night. That is just the only location to hold the league. If poolhalls were as prevalent as bars, and were on each street corner, you would see the leagues over there.

As far as the gambling issue goes..every other sport has its share of gambling. From basketball (glorified by White Men Can't Jump) to golf (Tin Cup w/Kevin Costner)...its all out there you just have to be around it to see it. Just because you don't have pool in school doesn't mean there is a negativity towards it...just that it is not P.E. oriented. Like SacTownTom said they get 60 kids a day in his poolhall every day from local schools for a class. I don't see gambling being the reason you don't have it there.

Just don't link the gambling/bars/alcohol together as being the main reason there aren't pool leagues for you to play in...cause it sounds as if your area is not a very big pool haven anyway. Too much generalization.

RedHell
01-26-2004, 02:43 PM
Dear Sixsense...

Why do you blame alcool and bars. When I grew up there was plenty of pool table available for kids. And I'm not that old (I'm 33). Albeit it was 17 years ago, but I went to a high school that had 6 brunswick for 1st and 2nd years, 4 brunswick for 3rd and 4th years and 2 brunswick for 5th years.

Recently I went back to my high school for a class of 87 reunion. Of all the activites, we organised a pool tournement. Well, it almost never happend. Of the 6 tables we had for 1st years, there was only 2 left. One of them had a missing pocket. When time came to start the tourney, I asked my friend ,who's now teaching there, where were the cues. He could only find one and it was taped in the middle where it was broken.

I asked him how the kids could play with such a poor equipement, he answered that today, kids don't wanna play pool, they just hang around the table and throw balls around.

We ended up playing the tournement wiht my cues because I happend to have 4 in my car....

That story might not be the perfect exemple as it only applies to my highschool. But for one thing, pool isn't available to those kids anymore and it wasn't because of gambling, alcool or bars !!!

Qtec
01-26-2004, 03:10 PM
This is one very adult 16 year old or someone is pulling our collective plonker.! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Q

Ralph S.
01-26-2004, 03:59 PM
Wally~~~suddenly has a half dozen teens claiming to be his children, sayint to him, "hey pops, we need another 6-pack" /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif


Just teasing ya Wally. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

eg8r
01-26-2004, 07:07 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Fred &lt;~~~ wonders how sixsence knows about being a 6. <hr /></blockquote> Here is the quote from his original post.[ QUOTE ]
I'm 16 myself, and ive been playing pool since I was 5 only because my parents play in the APA and we have a pool table. Otherwise, I would of never even been introduced to the sport and had the opportunity to play it. I live in va where the pool competiton in the certain area I live in is very slim, and I don't even get the chance to see good players play except for on tv. <hr /></blockquote>
eg8r

woody_968
01-26-2004, 08:06 PM
Having a league for kids is something much needed, but I think it would be hard and very slow to start. The bad news is competion level based on location is something you will deal with your whole life unless you move somewhere that great players hang out. I live in Terre Haute IN, several players around here, but outside of one person our level of players only goes so high. Go 70 miles east of us and the level of play is much higher. I think people for the most part only practice and play hard enough to be competitive with the people they play the most. Which makes it hard for the few people in a lower level play area that want to to really advance.

Scott Lee
01-26-2004, 09:15 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Rich R.:</font><hr>
I think the APA should look into starting youth leagues in non-alcohol serving pool rooms. It would benefit everyone. <hr /></blockquote>

Rich...When I was APA Rookie League Operator of the Year, in 1992, I went to Terry Bell and Renee Pohlmann, with a plan to start a national APA Youth League, as well as an APA-sanctioned "instructor's group". I offered to head up the whole shebang, for NO MONEY! They turned me down flat...no interest whatsoever! What does that tell you?
BTW...I had the credentials and experience to do both programs.

Scott Lee

SixSence
01-26-2004, 09:47 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Why is it that out of all the sports, pool has to be the one held in bars with alcohol? Why out of all the other sports do you have to serve alcohol in order for people to enjoy playing the sport? &lt;&lt;----Six

Pool is a game where no matter how old you are you can always have a good time. Which is why people frequent bar establishments...hell i know planty of people who come to the bar just to socialize and don't drink. Any number of "bar games" are there to bring people in the door so they have a good time. It is unfortunate that bars are the only places with pool tables. But leagues like the APA and BCA could never survive on pool halls alone. They need that element of society to be able to have something like that. All I can see is that you are trying to link in people playing pool in bars and drinking. Not everyone who plays APA/BCA league in bars is getting tossed every night. That is just the only location to hold the league. If poolhalls were as prevalent as bars, and were on each street corner, you would see the leagues over there.

As far as the gambling issue goes..every other sport has its share of gambling. From basketball (glorified by White Men Can't Jump) to golf (Tin Cup w/Kevin Costner)...its all out there you just have to be around it to see it. Just because you don't have pool in school doesn't mean there is a negativity towards it...just that it is not P.E. oriented. Like SacTownTom said they get 60 kids a day in his poolhall every day from local schools for a class. I don't see gambling being the reason you don't have it there.

Just don't link the gambling/bars/alcohol together as being the main reason there aren't pool leagues for you to play in...cause it sounds as if your area is not a very big pool haven anyway. Too much generalization.
<hr /></blockquote>


I'm not saying that everyone or anyone drinks when they play in the apa at bars which is the precise reason im wondering why pool has become a "bar game" and is associated with only bars that serve alcohol. This doesnt mean the players drink alcohol by any means.

I'm also not complaining that bars have pool tables, I know they have pool tables because its a fun thing to do and it will get people to have a good time and drink.

The problem that ive been stating is that pool is associated only with bars that serve alcohol which is why kids dont get many opportunities.

I also know it is a location problem because everywhere around here are only bars. If I was lucky enough to be born somewhere else or had the time and money to travel im sure id find some pool halls that i would be able to get in to. but if it werent for the whole gambling outlook on pool and as a "bar game" familly pool halls would be more common and it wouldn't matter where I was born.

Rich R.
01-27-2004, 07:51 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Scott Lee:</font><hr> Rich...When I was APA Rookie League Operator of the Year, in 1992, I went to Terry Bell and Renee Pohlmann, with a plan to start a national APA Youth League, as well as an APA-sanctioned "instructor's group". I offered to head up the whole shebang, for NO MONEY! They turned me down flat...no interest whatsoever! What does that tell you? <hr /></blockquote>
That tells me that the APA has less brains than I give them credit for.
To create a youth league would not only generate income from Junior members and provide more income for participating poolroom owners, it would create more future adult APA members.
Overall, this would create growth for the pool industry, as a whole, and the APA in particular.

Keith Talent
01-27-2004, 08:39 AM
Hey,

Look at the bright side. Sounds like you're doing better than most. You've got a table at home and parents who play ... you've got a local bar you can get into. OK, so you don't have much competition, but in a couple of years you'll be out of HS and either in college or working, and you'll be able to find plenty of people who can give you all you can handle, wherever you decide to live.

I know, at 16, 2 years seems like 20 ... but if you like the game enough you won't find it so hard to hang in there and keep practicing.

You're just not going to find that many kids who play seriously, anyway, no matter where you go.

And don't wait around hoping for some adults to set up a league for you, either. Very few of them will ever take the trouble to play above a novice level ... not in pool, or any other game. So you can't expect much there ... you're on your own, but it sounds like you've done OK so far.

Myself, I didn't get to play on any sort of regular basis till I was on my own at 18. Been trying to catch up, off and on, for 25 years ...

Wally_in_Cincy
01-27-2004, 08:44 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Ralph S.:</font><hr> Wally~~~suddenly has a half dozen teens claiming to be his children, <hr /></blockquote>

Honest Mr. barkeep, they're my daughters, I swear... /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

http://www.olsensisters.de/startbild/olsen-twins.jpg

Iowashark
01-27-2004, 11:13 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SixSence:</font><hr> I'm not saying that everyone or anyone drinks when they play in the apa at bars which is the precise reason im wondering why pool has become a "bar game" and is associated with only bars that serve alcohol. <hr /></blockquote>

I don't think it has 'become' a bar game. I think it was born a bar game and is slowly evolving into other areas. Actually I take that back, it was probably a 'saloon' game before it was a bar game.

UWPoolGod
01-27-2004, 01:59 PM
You're just not going to find that many kids who play seriously, anyway, no matter where you go. &lt;---- Keith

Good point Keith. I know when I first started out there were 9 or 10 other players at the Univerisity that took the game seriously...and with that all 10 of us excelled at pool. Not to say we are world beaters but we are all pretty good and fed off of each others desires to beat one another.

Getting back to the bars...I was at the bar playing APA a month ago. I missed a shot and was pissed at myself (angry expression). The barmaid says "Relax..it's just a game". I looked at her and said "For players like you its a game, its more that a game for players like me."

WaltVA
01-27-2004, 04:38 PM
I think Keith's post is right on - you've got a home table, interested parents and a place to play. Just keep working with what you've got, and more opportunities will open up eventually.

FWIW, I believe the APA does now have a Junior program, but it's voluntary at the League Operator's discretion, and there aren't many operating because of low interest by the kids and high headaches for the LO. Our local LO tried to get one going at a non-alcohol PH here, but there just weren't enough kids interested to get it off the ground.

Walt in VA