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SPetty
01-28-2004, 01:27 PM
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wei table (http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/pooltable2.html)

Consider the 8-9 frozen and pointing right at the pocket, so essentially, to win the game, you just have to hit anywhere on the other side of the 8 ball.

Can this be made?

Kato
01-28-2004, 01:33 PM
2 ways that I can see off the top of my head. 1 rail to the opposite side and a 3 railer that is a varation of a shot Scott Lee showed me.

I wish I could draw all those arrows and stuff you guys use but I don't know how and I'm at work, sort of working.

Kato

Rod
01-28-2004, 01:46 PM
1 rail. If it was hit too slow and to off center it could throw the 9 out of the pocket. It could be made with a little inside english going two rails.

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Rod

Rod
01-28-2004, 01:53 PM
I think 3 rails with low outside is possible, it's hard to see how much room is really available.

Rod

UWPoolGod
01-28-2004, 01:57 PM
YOu might also be able to try this, but it would depend on the room between the balls and the rail.

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Fred Agnir
01-28-2004, 02:14 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SPetty:</font><hr> START(
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wei table (http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/pooltable2.html)

Consider the 8-9 frozen and pointing right at the pocket, so essentially, to win the game, you just have to hit anywhere on the other side of the 8 ball.

Can this be made? <hr /></blockquote>

Double reverse?

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Modification of a one-pocket two-railer?:

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Fred &lt;~~~ gotta go home and try them

Fred Agnir
01-28-2004, 02:19 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote UWPoolGod:</font><hr> YOu might also be able to try this, but it would depend on the room between the balls and the rail.

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I like this one. This is like an Efren shot, blending that draw and speed. It all depends on the actual ball placement.

Fred

Barbara
01-28-2004, 02:39 PM
[quote=Fred Agnir
Double reverse?

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Modification of a one-pocket two-railer?:

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Fred &lt;~~~ gotta go home and try them
<hr /></blockquote>

I like the second one better, but how would you aim on the short rail?

Barbara

Ralph S.
01-28-2004, 02:41 PM
I would play the shot two rails using the inside english.

woody_968
01-28-2004, 02:58 PM
I like comming out of the corner 2 or possibly 3 rails. Depending on the angle to get past the 9 ball some inside english may be needed. I think this gives the most margin for error.

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Fred Agnir
01-28-2004, 03:10 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Barbara:</font><hr>
I like the second one better, but how would you aim on the short rail?

Barbara <hr /></blockquote>
Well... if the two-rail kick is like this:

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Then I'll guess that from SPetty's layout started, the best you can do is 1 1/2 diamonds short. If you're asking me where to aim the first kick and how to get it to the upper corner, that's a different lesson. And it ain't coming from me!

Fred

Barbara
01-28-2004, 03:19 PM
Okay then, don't tell me. I'll just old onto Jimbo's cashews.

Besides, woody_968 came up with a goodie.

Barbara

Fred Agnir
01-28-2004, 03:19 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote woody_968:</font><hr> I like comming out of the corner 2 or possibly 3 rails. Depending on the angle to get past the 9 ball some inside english may be needed. I think this gives the most margin for error.

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)END <hr /></blockquote>Might need a little hold-up. Natural gets that shot at 3 or so, by the Corner 5 system. That's why I thought the short rail first to get a 6 or so.



Fred &lt;~~~ Maybe that's what Barbara was asking?

Fred Agnir
01-28-2004, 03:28 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Barbara:</font><hr> Okay then, don't tell me. I'll just old onto Jimbo's cashews.

Besides, woody_968 came up with a goodie.

Barbara <hr /></blockquote>Aack. Okay. I was thinking of the basic 3-rail diamond system. Starting number at 6, first rail at 1/2. That gets 5 1/2 for the last rail. If you can figure out how to consistently hit the kick from 6 to 1/2, then you're a leg up on me (and you've got the legs to do it).

I'd suggest to kick everything with a stun shot and a hair of inside. But, that's just me.

Fred

Barbara
01-28-2004, 03:51 PM
Jimbo will be happy.

Barbara~~~forgot about the good ole diamond system.

UWPoolGod
01-28-2004, 04:09 PM
Do any of you have info on the diamond system you could send me? Or a website online? Which book to buy? I have still just been eyeballing it but would like to be able to calculate the rails quickly.

Leviathan
01-28-2004, 04:22 PM
This works if you balance the draw and the english correctly, and it's a very pretty shot. The draw gets the cue ball off the first cushion, and the right english adjusts the rebound off the second cushion.--AS

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Leviathan
01-28-2004, 05:11 PM
Very good source of info about the diamond system--much more complete than the other online sources I've seen:

http://bcs76.free.fr/technique/3b/3b03/3b03_us.htm

--Hats off to Thierry Layani.

cheesemouse
01-28-2004, 05:29 PM
Well lets just go crazy and hit this shot....note the extreme left english on cb...takes a powerful stroke...

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Eric.
01-28-2004, 05:33 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Leviathan:</font><hr> This works if you balance the draw and the english correctly, and it's a very pretty shot. The draw gets the cue ball off the first cushion, and the right english adjusts the rebound off the second cushion.--AS

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IMHO this is the best way to play it. I think Leviathan has the right idea, but the CB track return track is off.

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If you play it like with alot of reverse English, hit fairly firm, aiming a little before the side pocket, the CB sould double the corner back into the long rail and kick the *. I think the 8 plays much bigger rather than trying to come off the short rail directly.


Eric &gt;use a jump cue?

nAz
01-28-2004, 07:55 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SPetty:</font><hr> START(
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wei table (http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/pooltable2.html)

Consider the 8-9 frozen and pointing right at the pocket, so essentially, to win the game, you just have to hit anywhere on the other side of the 8 ball.

Can this be made? <hr /></blockquote>


I think it can be made but the best way has to be this way Like Rod's shot:

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you need to be sure that you hit the ball no matter what, and this shot offers the best chance at it.

Sid_Vicious
01-28-2004, 08:37 PM
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Way it's pictured, I'd play this, not any problem unless you missed hiding the CB behind the 9 more then you intended. If that was the case, then I'd hop over the obstruction, and do the same shot. The long rail is a good bridge for a small hop, and even without the rail, I'd hit that stroke...sid

Qtec
01-28-2004, 08:44 PM
If you can get past the 9, this might be possible with a lot of check side. Tough shot tho.
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Qtec

Fred Agnir
01-29-2004, 07:38 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Sid_Vicious:</font><hr> START(
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Way it's pictured, I'd play this, not any problem unless you missed hiding the CB behind the 9 more then you intended. If that was the case, then I'd hop over the obstruction, and do the same shot. The long rail is a good bridge for a small hop, and even without the rail, I'd hit that stroke...sid
<hr /></blockquote>I played this shot on my table, and as I said previously, you need hold up. The Diamond System points this path to the the third diamond from the the right, and that's about where it hits with natural. A touch of left straightens this out.

Fred

Fred Agnir
01-29-2004, 07:48 AM
I trust by now you went and set this shot up and shot it a few times?

On a 7' table, the 2-rail reverse to the inside works (I shot at it three times and made it three times with varying hits). I'll go with Eric. in that the path taking the cueball back to the long rail with that heavy reverse (turning into running) makes the 8-ball pretty big.

The 2-railer to the top right corner never worked with running english , as predicted. A touch of hold-up (left in this case) was needed, but the hit had to be pretty accurate. If you had three shots to try it, you'd get it.

Woody's draw-behind and doubling the upper right:

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I shot this three times and hit the 8-ball every time. But, I only made the 9-ball once. Again, like the last shot, if you get to hit it a few times to get the speed/draw blend, it's a winner.

The shot that didn't have any success for me on a 7' table is my 4 rail kick. I couldn't get the cueball out of the upper right corner. I think this shot has merit on a 9' table, but the pocket/cushion size ratio is too big on my table to get the kick that deep into the corner without catching a point.

Fred &lt;~~~ that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

Colin
01-29-2004, 11:21 AM
No one thought of this one! A 5 or 6 railer with power!
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But I would play this...a 2 or 3 railer.
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Second shot with draw and left should come very close every time once you get the pace right.

Colin
01-29-2004, 11:28 AM
These 2 masse shots are a chance too...I prefer the line marked B as the rail can help increase the chances.

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Colin

Colin
01-29-2004, 11:35 AM
And for the very creative...with a little masse this is makeable....
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Colin
01-29-2004, 11:43 AM
And another crazy 4 or 5 railer that should go close! Needs some draw and left.
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Colin

Colin
01-29-2004, 11:53 AM
And a makeable shot that would get Mike Massey excited!!!

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Colin
01-29-2004, 12:03 PM
And this jump shot is not too hard. Should be 50% chance if you hit centre or even with a touch of right side and come off the rail.
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Can the shot be made...only about 12 ways /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif <font color="purple"> </font color>

curly
01-29-2004, 12:06 PM
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Susan, I think it can be made using 3 rails but it would have to be hit hard..possibly using more of a center ball hit to lengthen it when coming off the second rail. I think if it's shot too easy, the 9 ball would throw too much to the right of the pocket.

What do you think?

I love to shoot this shot. I made it twice in a row one time! Try it...

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Let me know how many shots it takes to make it!

Colin
01-29-2004, 12:11 PM
This jump shot with left side will masse a touch and come off two rails for a good chance too:

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Other than that, the shot looks impossible /ccboard/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Colin

UWPoolGod
01-29-2004, 12:23 PM
Nah just a straight masse shot. I see them artictic boys doin it all the time.

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SPetty
01-29-2004, 12:26 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Colin:</font><hr> Can the shot be made...only about 12 ways /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif<hr /></blockquote>HAHAHA! /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I didn't have a chance to check any of these suggestions out last night. When I came across this situation, I tried and tried the opposite corner two rail with a little hold up, and never quite got it. I think the original layout was pretty close on the wei, but maybe the two balls were closer to the pocket? There was definitely room to go around the balls on the right, but I couldn't figure out what to do with that. And I didn't actually try the one rail cross bank, because I just didn't think that angle of attack would win the game.

Thanks, everyone. You guys are great!

Colin
01-29-2004, 12:28 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote UWPoolGod:</font><hr> Nah just a straight masse shot. I see them artictic boys doin it all the time.

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<hr /></blockquote>
I already showed that one....
...Now, if you really want to get creative, try this jump shot stright back masse! It is possible!

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Colin

Colin
01-29-2004, 12:35 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SPetty:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Colin:</font><hr> Can the shot be made...only about 12 ways /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif<hr /></blockquote>HAHAHA! /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I didn't have a chance to check any of these suggestions out last night. When I came across this situation, I tried and tried the opposite corner two rail with a little hold up, and never quite got it. I think the original layout was pretty close on the wei, but maybe the two balls were closer to the pocket? There was definitely room to go around the balls on the right, but I couldn't figure out what to do with that. And I didn't actually try the one rail cross bank, because I just didn't think that angle of attack would win the game.

Thanks, everyone. You guys are great! <hr /></blockquote>

I think we're up to 13 or 14 options now.

An early mentor of mine told me he could see 4 or 5 options on a shot where the average player sees just 1 or 2. I've learned this is very true with experience. This exercise is proof of that.

Never stop dreaming up shots, and then learning how to make them, it will win you many games!!!

Colin

Colin
01-29-2004, 12:42 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SPetty:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Colin:</font><hr> Can the shot be made...only about 12 ways /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif<hr /></blockquote>

I tried and tried the opposite corner two rail with a little hold up, and never quite got it. <hr /></blockquote>

That shot would have been my 7th or 8th option. It is very hard and requires a lot of check side (hold up) and that's if you are lucky enough to have the first rail slide a bit. (Which often won't happen with check side....though top spin with the check may help a bit). It is just not a natural angle. The ball will usually hit near the centre pocket.

Practice some of the other angles and you'll learn a lot of new ways to create angles.

Good Luck,
Colin /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Fred Agnir
01-29-2004, 12:45 PM
Pocket point:

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Eric.
01-29-2004, 01:54 PM
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Eric &gt;ran out of arrows

SPetty
01-29-2004, 02:01 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Eric.:</font><hr>Eric &gt;ran out of arrows <hr /></blockquote>Geez, if I could bend the cue ball the way all you clowns bend the arrows... /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Eric.
01-29-2004, 02:07 PM
Heya SPetty,

Just funnin...

Seems like some answers were starting to get past what one would do when you have to make the shot(easiest way), so I threw in my 2 pennies...

Eric &gt;2 cents poorer

Sid_Vicious
01-29-2004, 06:42 PM
A player after my own heart! That shot will work...sid

Colin
01-29-2004, 09:57 PM
I thought of another 2 ways which are not so hard if you have a little masse skill.

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My total list has 19 ways that this shot is makeable. About 10 of those could be 50/50 shots or better with a bit of practice. Hope I can think of another way, that would make a good bar bet to prove to some guy there are 20 ways to make that shot.

Colin
01-29-2004, 11:27 PM
Ok, no.20 may be trickier than it looks.

If top left strightens up too much off the foot rail, then try the shot aiming wider with center right (check), it will straighten but then get some running side off the footrail. Might take a few practice shots to make it work.

Here's the basic idea:
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PQQLK9
01-29-2004, 11:33 PM
STOP! enough already Colin /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Popcorn
01-30-2004, 01:51 AM
Wow, you sure got a lot of replies to such a simple post. One guy 12 times.

Perk
01-30-2004, 09:43 AM
I would probably jump the balls and return to pot the 8-9 combo. If I was in a No-jump match, I would probably use the inside enlish return bank.

Interesting number of shots for a quick post.

Jay M
02-24-2004, 04:00 PM
heh, all that and I didn't see anyone mention the most obvious one. I'm guessing that everyone forgot that you don't have to hit the combination straight on to make it... look at the lines, perfect diamond method shot sitting there.


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Never argue with a self-correcting shot, try it... The aim point on the first rail is exactly where you want the cue to hit when it comes off the fourth rail. Medium to extreme left english. It doesn't matter if the english is perfect, the first rail will correct itif it's too little, the third rail if it's too much. Medium stroke, pocket speed for the five rail in the corner.

Note that dirty balls will throw to the left of the pocket, but pocket speed should keep them in unless someone spilled a beer on them.

Jay M

Eric.
02-24-2004, 04:56 PM
Jay,

HAve you actually tried it that way? IMO, you run the risk of hitting the 9 ball and fouling. Why would you want to bring the 9 ball into the shot? IMHO, there are higher percentage shots...


Eric

Popcorn
02-24-2004, 05:44 PM
Maybe I am a little tired, (only 2 hours of sleep last night,)but I don't get what you are trying to do.

Jay M
02-24-2004, 05:45 PM
try it /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif it's actually one of my standard "how do you do this shots"

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mine picks up more english due to proximity to the rail(thus the center ball hit), but it's the same shot, look at the lines.

Big_Jon
02-24-2004, 07:28 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Colin:</font><hr> And this jump shot is not too hard. Should be 50% chance if you hit centre or even with a touch of right side and come off the rail.
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Can the shot be made...only about 12 ways /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif <font color="purple"> </font color> <hr /></blockquote>

That's the way i would do it, in fact i've done it before (and it worked) it's a simple out that really comes up all the time, and some people just don't see it...

Thanks

Jon

piglit
02-25-2004, 07:30 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote PQQLK9:</font><hr> STOP! enough already Colin /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif <hr /></blockquote>

I agree- Colin is smokin crack/ going broke if he tries most of those in a game situation.

-pigy

Eric.
02-25-2004, 09:51 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Jay M:</font><hr> try it /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif it's actually one of my standard "how do you do this shots"

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mine picks up more english due to proximity to the rail(thus the center ball hit), but it's the same shot, look at the lines. <hr /></blockquote>


Jay,

That shot you diagrammed is not that unheard of, nor extrordinary. If I were playing the 7, then yes, I agree that your shot is a viable option.

If you're playing the 8/9 to win and not for artistic points, you need to stay away from kicks that don't give you a larger margin of error. You should try to look for the shot that makes the 8 as large as possible. Especially if the 8 is near a rail.

Take care,

Eric

Chris Cass
02-25-2004, 10:34 AM
Hi SPetty,

Let me say I haven't read any of the replies to this post. After looking at the shot I know of several ways of making it. None of which I like the odds better than the cross side safe. For fun I could see. Not for the doe.

Regards,

C.C.