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nAz
02-01-2004, 09:34 PM
I was playing with Wendy Friday night and i showed what i think is the best way to get on the 9B from this position:
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Wei (http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/)
I know this shot from playing 3C and i would think it would be called a "Force follow shot" she told be it may be called something else but i can't remember what she called it.

BTW I think this shot is better then an inside english shot cause of the position of the Nine, what do you think?

Dagwood
02-01-2004, 11:15 PM
From everything that I've seen and been told, this is indeed a force follow shot off the rail. Haven't heard it called anything else, but then again, I've not heard everything in the world anyways...so who knows.

Dags

piglit
02-02-2004, 10:44 AM
I call it, ELEMENTARY.

I also call it, why people do things the wrong way. In the WEI presented, you go from the 8 to the 4 or 10, depending on speed req'd to make the 8. Given the fact that you have stated a 'force follow' is possible, you could probably go for either one.

I like to leave the 9 up there until later so that it can be a bail-out ball. Also, when there are fewer balls out there, it is easier to play shape after making the 9...

That's what I think!

-pigi

sandgnat
02-02-2004, 11:03 AM
I believe he was setting up a 9-ball shot and simply didn't bother moving the other balls off the table.

sandgnat
02-02-2004, 11:14 AM
I'd play the eight into the corner with right (and a little top) to get on the nine.

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dooziexx
02-02-2004, 11:34 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote sandgnat:</font><hr> I'd play the eight into the corner with right (and a little top) to get on the nine.

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Or you can hit it with alot of hi right english, and have the cb land by the first diamond on the botton right hand side of the table. But you can go wrong either way. The more options you have, the better.

Rod
02-02-2004, 11:45 AM
I'd call it a force follow. It's a fairly simple shot but like any shot you have to be careful not to over-cook the stroke. Depending on the angle and amount of english, whitey can follow into the opposite corner from the 9. Straight follow with inside is a more difficult shot IMO. To much overspin and it doesn't go anywhere.

Rod

crawdaddio
02-02-2004, 11:55 AM
Question: How do I bring up the diagram in this post?
All I see is a bunch of code /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Rod
02-02-2004, 12:04 PM
Copy that code and hit the green paste button on the wei (http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/%7Ewei/pool/pooltable2.html) link provided. You can set up a shot, hit the copy button on the wei and paste that code in your post.

Rod

crawdaddio
02-02-2004, 12:31 PM
thanks

Alex_Delodge
02-02-2004, 06:40 PM
Well if anyone called this something other than a force follow they might have called it a "Jenny"--as I have been explained it, a term used by Australians when using a force follow in English Billiards (a snooker table game). One of the ways to score points is to scratch with the cue ball, often by force following accurately.

cycopath
02-03-2004, 04:04 PM
My step brother would power draw the cue 4 rails for position on the 9.

Or at least he'd try to, he'd actually end up popping the cueball off the table and scratching. Causing more dents and dings in our red circle cue ball...

Pechauer_player
02-07-2004, 02:42 PM
You are correct, this is a very hard follow shot off the rail. When you hit this shot with follow it has angular momentum and hooks out down table. This shot is a "hook shot," shot number 69 in the 99 critical shots in pool. Hope this helps.

Scott Lee
02-07-2004, 11:08 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Pechauer_player:</font><hr> You are correct, this is a very hard follow shot off the rail. When you hit this shot with follow it has angular momentum and hooks out down table. This shot is a "hook shot," shot number 69 in the 99 critical shots in pool. Hope this helps. <hr /></blockquote>

Yes, this is the shot. You are mistaken in that you believe one needs to hit this shot hard, or with a lot of speed. A medium speed stroke, with straight topspin, and NO english will result in the "hook" effect on the CB. I use this as a trickshot by placing a 2nd OB in the corner pocket (this also eliminates the scratch potential). This is an intermediate stroke shot, that anyone with a reasonably good stroke should be able to execute. Most people shoot it too hard, or fail to followthrough, or think you have to have sidespin too. Great shot, and usuable in a game situation in many ways.

Scott Lee