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dgkisler
02-04-2004, 04:01 PM
I believe with a 5 card hand, 5 aces would be the
best. I have only had this hand once in Holdem,
as it is very rare, and extremely strong!! If you
get this hand, you WILL win!!

dg-in-centralpa
02-04-2004, 06:54 PM
How can you have 5 aces playing Texas Holdem, since they use one deck and no wild cards? At that point the highest hand would be a royal flush.

DG - just curious

woody_968
02-04-2004, 08:42 PM
Yup, royal flush would be the nuts.

Ralph S.
02-04-2004, 10:44 PM
Are you sure you even know how to play hold em? If 5 aces is the best, what card is the turn card? Lets see if you know. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

And by the way, five aces is not a possible hand in any poker game with out using wild cards.

Kato
02-05-2004, 07:31 AM
I'm going to echo what Ralph said. How can you get 5 aces in hold 'em? The Royal Flush is the best hand possible in Hold 'em. You're probably playing some type of draw game with at least one wild card.

Just imagine sitting around the dining room table with your buddy's. You've got the visor on and you're dealt 3 ace's and your wild card. You bet, but only 50 cents, you don't want to scare them away. You discard 1. Your buddy gives you your last card. It's an ACE!!!!!!!!!! 5 Aces. I'm betting the farm!!!!!!!!!!!! $1.00.

Kato~~~5 Aces rule!!!!!!

Kato
02-05-2004, 07:34 AM
Oh yeah, thanks for the tip /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Kato

Rich R.
02-05-2004, 08:46 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote dg-in-centralpa:</font><hr> How can you have 5 aces playing Texas Holdem, since they use one deck and no wild cards? At that point the highest hand would be a royal flush.<hr /></blockquote>
dg is correct.

If you come up with 5 aces in Texas Holdem, somebody is in BIG trouble. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

dgkisler
02-05-2004, 11:52 AM
You have to remember the fundamentals of
Hold Em. In this game, there are 5 community
cards "the board" that everyone shares. So if I
have an ace or two of my own, and I am sharing
with the rest of the players in the hand, it is
possible to have more than 4 aces. You have
to have at least 3 aces on the board for anyone
to have 5 aces though. No trick decks and no
jokers, just a very rare situation!!! Good
Luck!!!

Troy
02-05-2004, 12:05 PM
Not in any Hold'em game I've ever played. There are only 4 A's in the deck no matter where they are. The only way to get 5 of anything is via a "wild" card of which there are NONE in Hold'em. There's certainly no Joker.

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote dgkisler:</font><hr> You have to remember the fundamentals of
Hold Em. In this game, there are 5 community
cards "the board" that everyone shares. So if I
have an ace or two of my own, and I am sharing
with the rest of the players in the hand, it is
possible to have more than 4 aces. You have
to have at least 3 aces on the board for anyone
to have 5 aces though. No trick decks and no
jokers, just a very rare situation!!! Good
Luck!!!
<hr /></blockquote>

woody_968
02-05-2004, 12:10 PM
There are only 4 aces in the deck, you cant get 5. The cards on the board are from the same deck as the cards in everyones hand so there are only 4 aces available.

UWPoolGod
02-05-2004, 12:32 PM
If you are sharing your cards with the other players and you hold two then by that logic there should be 6 total..the 4 that came up in the middle and the two in your hand. But since there are only 4 total aces...regardless of where they are...4 is the max you can have.

Todd &lt;--- I guess I just don't understand his logic since there are only 4 aces in the deck. Must be from Hamiltucky. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

dgkisler
02-05-2004, 01:37 PM
I have only had this happen
twice, once at The Lodge in Colorado and once
when playing at The Orleans in Vegas. Im sure
Im not the only one, as it is not quite that rare.
By the way old hand, the turn card is the card after the flop and before the river. If you didn't know that, know wonder that you can't understand how to get 5 aces.

Perk
02-05-2004, 01:51 PM
Not that you will understand the concept. But Texas Holdem uses 1 DECK OF CARDS...hence 4 Aces....So standard hand rankings are the norm. Royal Flush takes the cash. In case ya need a refresher, here are the hand rankings:

http://www.bones-world.net/poker_hand_rankings.html

UWPoolGod
02-05-2004, 01:58 PM
I've played enough to know to terms and how its played. You're the one with a twisted view of reality when it comes to Texas Hold'em...unless you are playing some wild cards. Why don't you diagram it for us...

PQQLK9
02-05-2004, 01:59 PM
I wonder if he plays 9 Ball with two 9 Balls?

UWPoolGod
02-05-2004, 02:03 PM
Hmmm doesn't even know how many times he's had it...original post:
"I believe with a 5 card hand, 5 aces would be the
best. I have only had this hand once in Holdem,
as it is very rare, and extremely strong!! If you
get this hand, you WILL win!!"

Last post:

"I have only had this happen
twice, once at The Lodge in Colorado and once
when playing at The Orleans in Vegas. Im sure
Im not the only one, as it is not quite that rare."

LOL

Kato
02-05-2004, 02:05 PM
There are 4 aces in the deck. You only play with one deck therefore it is completely impossible to have 5 aces.

Kato

jl6495
02-05-2004, 02:09 PM
Are you guys sure that you are playing the same game.....
Because I have had 5 kings ONE time EVER!!!

Won ALOT of money on it as well!! The rest of the players at the table was AMAZED because their full houses were killed by my 5 Kings!!! IT WAS AWESOME!!!

So you guys must be talking about a different texas hold 'em than me &amp; this other guy

Kato
02-05-2004, 02:15 PM
2222
3333
4444
5555
6666
7777
8888
9999
10101010
JJJJ
QQQQ
KKKK
AAAA

How the heck can you get 5 kings or 5 aces when there are only 4 of a kind in a deck? You are not playing Hold'em. You're playing some stud game with wild cards.

How many people did you have at that table with full houses? In my experience you won't usually find 4 people at the table with full houses and you sitting there with 5 kings, not even in a 7 card draw game with multiple wild cards.

Kato

PS. Why don't you take this thread to a Poker chat room and get laughed at over there.

UWPoolGod
02-05-2004, 02:26 PM
Nice job of going and registering a new name to try and back up your case dg...

This guys a tool.

Dagwood
02-05-2004, 02:58 PM
I think you need to go to a casino, get a room, and watch Telly Savalas teach you how to play poker on the in-house channel. You might want to learn the very basics about poker before you continue in this conversation. Your argument has no basis in the fundamental facts of the game...such as:

1. There are 52 cards in a standard deck, made up of the following....(see next three rules)

2. There are 4 different suits. Spades, Hearts, Diamonds, Clubs

3. There are 13 cards in each suit; A, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, Jack, Queen, King

4. If there are 4 suits, 13 cards a suit, then basic math says that 13x4 is 52. Just 52 cards in a deck. That's all they use in a casino at a poker table. No wild cards. So explain to us how it is possible to draw into a 5 of a kind? I'd really like to see how this works...

Dags

SPetty
02-05-2004, 05:32 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote UWPoolGod:</font><hr>This guy's a tool.<hr /></blockquote>Naw, he's just not playing with a full deck! hahaha

Not playing with a full deck? (http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/6271/stupd013-1.html) Hell, he's not even in the game!

pooljunkie73
02-05-2004, 10:54 PM
Dude, you show 5 aces in my hold 'em game and you would get shot. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Kent Mc.

JPB
02-06-2004, 12:01 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote dgkisler:</font><hr> I have only had this happen
twice, once at The Lodge in Colorado and once
when playing at The Orleans in Vegas. Im sure
Im not the only one, as it is not quite that rare.
By the way old hand, the turn card is the card after the flop and before the river. If you didn't know that, know wonder that you can't understand how to get 5 aces. <hr /></blockquote>

Believe me, you are the only one.


Cept those times where a guy holding out deposits an extra one in the deck. But then you don't really have them since the hand is dead/misdeal.

sliprock
02-06-2004, 12:12 AM
I think someone snuck a pinochle deck into your game..

Funny Story. My friend sent his teenage son to the corner store to buy a new deck of cards for our poker game. In our rush to get the game started, the deck wasn't inspected. The cards were dealt and everybody started betting and raising. When it came time to draw, everybody held pat. Well the betting started again, along with the raises etc.
At the showdown,(I don't remember the hands exactly) one guy had Jacks full of aces, another had jacks full of tens, I think 2 people had aces full and one guy ended up with 4 of a kind. My friends son had bought a pinochle deck

sack316
02-06-2004, 01:31 AM
go fish

dgkisler
02-06-2004, 04:26 AM
It doesnt matter if you are using jokers or not, it only matters that you are sharing cards!! It is only possible in games like 7 card stud, where there are no shared cards, if you are using a joker or wild cards. But since you share 5 cards in Holdem, it is possible. If you dont believe me, maybe you people need to read Sklanskys "Advanced Hold Em". There is an entire chapter on playing 5 of a kind!! Stop disputing me because I know from experience that I am right!!

Kato
02-06-2004, 06:51 AM
You're right. You were always right. You had 5 aces, it's a very strong hand. You know exactly what you're talking about. The rest of us have no clue. We've never played, watched, seen the game before.

Kato~~~we now end our regularly scheduled show to come to you live from Illinois as the Mothership has finally come down to take dgkisler home.

Dagwood
02-06-2004, 07:00 AM
Nanu, Nanu! /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Fred Agnir
02-06-2004, 07:41 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote dgkisler:</font><hr> There is an entire chapter on playing 5 of a kind!! Stop disputing me because I know from experience that I am right!!
<hr /></blockquote>
I had 6 aces.

Fred &lt;~~~ read Brunson

PQQLK9
02-06-2004, 08:21 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fred Agnir:</font><hr> I had 6 aces.

How could you? There are only FIVE (5) Aces in a deck?

Kato
02-06-2004, 08:39 AM
Though I hate to admit it, Fred is smarter than me. /ccboard/images/graemlins/mad.gif I suppose it's possible that if that other guy had 5 aces that Fred could have had 6 aces once. I conceed that it's a very strong hand and should beat a Royal Flush. With Fred's extreme intellegence I suppose he could figure out a way to play 6 cards in a 5 card hand. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Kato~~~thinks maybe along with CCB Open III we should have CCB Hold 'em I tournament at the Open this year /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Rich R.
02-06-2004, 08:53 AM
There are 4 Aces in the deck.
I don't care if you share them or not, one player can not have 5 Aces in his hand. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

SPetty
02-06-2004, 09:03 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote dgkisler:</font><hr>Stop disputing me because I know from experience that I am right!! <hr /></blockquote>That may be true, but it is immaterial if you can't explain yourself to us ignorant souls.

Please explain it to us so that we can understand.

We believe that there are only four aces in any deck of cards, therefore, you can't have five aces in your poker hand.

Please explain in greater detail what you mean by "sharing cards", if that is the secret to five aces.

Please provide a concrete example of how you can get five aces in your hand.

Why did you start this post in the first place?

JPB
02-06-2004, 09:37 AM
Why did you start this post in the first place? <hr /></blockquote>


I think his post on the sklansky book indicates he started this to jack w/ people. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

UWPoolGod
02-06-2004, 09:56 AM
LOL I actually started to try to reason out the math and just couldn't muddle through the knee-high BS. If everyone is sharing each others cards at the table and

Player1 hand: A-6
Player2 hand: 8-7

Up cards: A-A-A-J-9

If everyone is sharing
Player 1's best hand: A-A-A-A-J
Player 2's best hand: A-A-A-A-J

They would tie...or if because their best hands are that and they are sharing then they can each use another ace from each other and have

Players 1&amp;2: A-A-A-A-A..but it would just go into an infinite loop and they would constantly be trading cards trying to get the best hand...and be stuck for eternity.

Still...those are not the rules. The only cards you can take from are the 5 up in the middle and the two in your hand. Since there are only 4 total Aces thats the best you could get.


I can't believe I just did that rant. What is a saying: Never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

Wally_in_Cincy
02-06-2004, 11:20 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote UWPoolGod:</font><hr> Todd &lt;--- I guess I just don't understand his logic since there are only 4 aces in the deck. Must be from Hamiltucky. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Whoa...easy there big boy /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Kato
02-06-2004, 11:28 AM
It is also that in addition to Fred being smarter than me that most people in Hamiltucky are smarter than me too /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif That being said, if Wally told me he got 5 aces then I'd have to believe it. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Kato

dgkisler
02-06-2004, 01:30 PM
Please let this be the last post, I am so sick and tired of arguing with you rubes!! For the last time, I know that there are only 4 Aces in a deck, everybody knows that and thats not what we are arguing about. The statement that I am making is that in a game with community cards, since you are using the same cards as everybody else, it makes possible 5 of a kind. Remember people, you are SHARING 5 cards!! I cant remember the exact hand that I had when I got 5 aces, but I believe the board was something like A-5-7-A-A. The suits are irrelevant, as 5 of a kind will beat a flush, even if it was out there. Once again, I will reference chapter 12 in Sklansky Advanced Hold-Em book for a more indepth analysis.

nAz
02-06-2004, 01:35 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote dgkisler:</font><hr> Please let this be the last post, I am so sick and tired of arguing with you rubes!! Once again, I will reference chapter 12 in Sklansky Advanced Hold-Em book for a more indepth analysis.
<hr /></blockquote>

Bwahahahaaa rubes... i got what your saying (wtf) cause i have heard of this before but i think you should explain it in more detail dude.


lol rubes

UWPoolGod
02-06-2004, 01:39 PM
Even if you are sharing five cards in the middle of the deck there is no way to turn a maximum of 4 types of cards into 5 of them. People are not sharing their two hold cards. Sklansky must have been talking about a 'what if' type situation of what would beat a royal flush with 5 cards...and the only answer would be 5 of a kind...but that is impossible since there are only 4 of each card. Even if that is what was showing for the upcards you couldn't have gotten a 5 of a kind.

Since we are all "rubes" and you are obviously way above us mentally, why don't you scan the specific pages of the book and post a link to a website...hell you can even put it up over at AZbilliards. Then we can read what you are talking about.

Wally_in_Cincy
02-06-2004, 01:42 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote nAz:</font><hr>
Bwahahahaaa rubes... <hr /></blockquote>

nAz....Brooklyn rube /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

UWPoolGod
02-06-2004, 01:44 PM
I think you should stick to Indian poker dude...

Kato
02-06-2004, 01:49 PM
Again, there isn't one single person on this board arguing with you. Quite the contrary, everyone on the board is sitting behind their computer laughing there A$$'s off because of your ridiculous statement.

Here is a link for you to check out. It's pretty simple to read and understand.

http://boardgames.about.com/cs/poker/a/poker_hands.htm

You're right, this should be the last post.

Kato

UWPoolGod
02-06-2004, 01:53 PM
I even e-mailed this post to my friend who plays a bunch and this was his response:

"good god, that's amazing"

I think this is actually Sklansky posting this so we all run out and buy his book to see what the heck is being talked about. Sold me...I am going to go to the bookstore and see what Chapter 12 has to offer.

UWPoolGod
02-06-2004, 02:02 PM
BTW my friend e-mailed and wanted me to invite you to our Hold-em game Saturday night in Seattle. Told me to tell you to bring lots of money. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Kato
02-06-2004, 02:45 PM
I'll be making my typical Borders run on Sunday. I'll look it up too. Should be interesting though I won't believe it's actually written in print until I see it.

Kato

Rich R.
02-06-2004, 02:47 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote dgkisler:</font><hr> The statement that I am making is that in a game with community cards, since you are using the same cards as everybody else, it makes possible 5 of a kind. Remember people, you are SHARING 5 cards!! <hr /></blockquote>
Let me type this real slow, so you can understand.

You are sharing cards, you are not multiplying cards.

You can share all 52 cards, if you wish, and you or any other single player cannot end up with more than 4 of any one kind of card, as in 4 Aces.

All we want, is for you to prove your point.
Why don't you create an example for us people with limited intelligence. Create an example of a hand showing 5 Aces.
Tell us what the 5 shared cards are and tell us what cards you are holding, that will result in you having 5 Aces.

Show us Rube. /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

dgkisler
02-06-2004, 02:51 PM
I would like to tell you all what the best part about this post is...The fact that a lot of you have replied to try to convince me of something that I know for a fact, sorry but your silly words are less convincing than the cards that I have actually seen. Then when you realize that you wont be able to convince me, you decide that insulting me will be the next best thing!! So keep your insults coming, I know you are jealous of my poker skills, so keep making fun of me, as it is very amusing.

Kato
02-06-2004, 02:56 PM
We are all idiots. Congratulations, you've figured it out. We know nothing, we've never played hold'em, we don't know the rules (even though we've posted them), we have no clue how to play, and we are stupid.

Kato~~~will someday find the lost city of Atlantis, a uni-corn, and a hand in Hold'em with 5 of a kind.

UWPoolGod
02-06-2004, 03:06 PM
Based on what some other people have said I do think that he was using a pinocchle deck. What was the 5th card? I mean what suit was it...you must have had a heart, spade, clubs and diamond..but what was the 5th one? Amazing.

Kato
02-06-2004, 03:14 PM
Pinnocle decks are missing low numbers or something and do have more than 4 of a kind.

Kato~~~my Mom played when I was a kid. I've never played.

UWPoolGod
02-06-2004, 03:17 PM
Yeah there are doubles of each card 9-A for a total of 48 cards.

dgkisler
02-06-2004, 03:31 PM
Wow, you guys are really trying to rack your brains on something that should be pretty simple to understand. The thought of playing hold'em with a pinocle deck is interesting though, it would undoubtedly create a lot of action, but would the queen of spades and the jack of diominds be the best hand?

Kato
02-06-2004, 03:41 PM
We haven't racked our brains since you started this thread. Mostly we're just scratching our heads over how silly this is.

Kato

Iowashark
02-06-2004, 03:44 PM
I've apparently been playing hold 'em all wrong. /ccboard/images/graemlins/frown.gif

How do you decide what's trump again? /ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif

UWPoolGod
02-06-2004, 03:44 PM
Well I am going to leave this thread for the weekend and see what brilliant revelations are uncovered by our new friend. Later Guys

Dagwood
02-06-2004, 05:10 PM
Listen buddy...

Why don't you sit down with a brand new pack of Bicycle cards, fresh out of the plastic with all the wax on them, and start dealing yourself hands. Keep going until you get this mysterious 5 of a kind hand you've been talking about. Don't forget to deal the other (pretend) players in too! That might increase your chances to see this world beater. Don't let anyone sit in on this, because they might tamper with the experiment. When you finally deal yourself this incredible hand, I'll be standing next to the pearly gates with St. Peter, because the only way you'll be able to have 5 ACES in a single deck of cards is to have GOD put the 5th one in there.

Unless you are all playing with a mechanic and he slipped up and didn't recover his extra ace that he slipped in the deack, the hand isn't physically possible. End of story. But if there was a mechanic at the table and he slipped up THAT big, you should have been wise enough to call him out. ok..going to stop now...feeling a rant coming on..lol

Troy
02-06-2004, 05:21 PM
Please, please, please take a moment and explain to us the cards held in hand and the five flop cards that produced this incredible 5 Ace winner. Thank you very much.

Troy...~~~ Willing to learn more about Hold'em
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote dgkisler:</font><hr> Wow, you guys are really trying to rack your brains on something that should be pretty simple to understand. <hr /></blockquote>

sack316
02-06-2004, 06:05 PM
I feel my poker game getting weaker and weaker the more I read this post! Please please please just describe what happened i.e. what two cards were you dealt first... then what 3 cards came up on the flop, then what card came on the turn, and then what card on the river. And it doesn't have to be the exact hand you say you got that time, just picture the one you may be talking about and spell it out for us unfortunate pool players that have inhaled too much chalk over time and deteriorated our brains in some crazy experiment set up by masters and silver cup.

Ralph S.
02-06-2004, 08:00 PM
That is impossible. There are only four aces in a 52 card deck!! Cassman, you wre a casino dealer. Please help us convince this guy he doesnt know what he is talking about.

Ralph S.
02-06-2004, 08:02 PM
LMAO!!! You must be Patricks brother.!! /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Ralph S.
02-06-2004, 08:11 PM
While you are at it, get a pshyciatrist to do an in-depth analysis on your brain. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

dg-in-centralpa
02-06-2004, 08:52 PM
Maybe he's related to FL

DG - who knows?

dgkisler
02-08-2004, 10:43 PM
Hey Dagwood, why don't you sit down with a brand new pack of Bicycle cards, fresh out of the plastic with all the wax on them, and start shoving them up your fecal dispenser. Actually, I guess some pool players are a bit slow in the head, but if you just think really hard, you should easily understand this simple example of 5 of a kind. I am also an excellent pool player, maybe you rubes have heard of "Illinois Dave" before.

cueball1950
02-08-2004, 11:25 PM
Hey,,, i had a full house 1 day....3 clubs and 2 hearts... is that a flush,,,maybe here it is...who knows,,,,mike

Dagwood
02-09-2004, 01:01 AM
LOL...thanks for making my night. I'll go ahead and open a pack and look for 5 of the same card...when I find that magical 5 of a kind, I'll give you the table, the breaks and ball in hand for whatever you want to play for. Oh yeah, your scratches don't even count and you can shoot again when you miss...LOL!!!!

Dags

Rich R.
02-09-2004, 05:24 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Rich R.:</font><hr> All we want, is for you to prove your point.
Why don't you create an example for us people with limited intelligence. Create an example of a hand showing 5 Aces.
Tell us what the 5 shared cards are and tell us what cards you are holding, that will result in you having 5 Aces.
<hr /></blockquote>
Hey Rube!!!!!!!!! We're waiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fred Agnir
02-09-2004, 08:01 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Kato:</font><hr> Though I hate to admit it, Fred is smarter than me. /ccboard/images/graemlins/mad.gif I suppose it's possible that if that other guy had 5 aces that Fred could have had 6 aces once. I conceed that it's a very strong hand and should beat a Royal Flush. With Fred's extreme intellegence I suppose he could figure out a way to play 6 cards in a 5 card hand. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Kato~~~thinks maybe along with CCB Open III we should have CCB Hold 'em I tournament at the Open this year /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif <hr /></blockquote>Of course, since there are 5 community cards, and you hold two, I suppose someone is going to come up with a way to get 7 Aces.

And if you can use at random your opponent's cards, then 9 Aces is the best.

All this assumes you can carry the 1 before adding.

Fred

UWPoolGod
02-09-2004, 09:27 AM
Well I am back from my trip this weekend and I see this thread has gotten no where closer to learning the genius of the 5 of a kind. On another note I have never heard of "Illinois Dave" and being a good pool player doesn't make you the Doyle Brunson of hold'em since you don't know what the best hand is.

Kato
02-09-2004, 10:06 AM
Darnit Fred!!!!!!!!!! Stop confusing me. Here's my new problem, time for you to put that engineering brain of yours to work.

Say you're playing 6 handed and everyone has pocket aces, that's 12 right? Then 5 aces come on the flop and that's 17 aces. Isn't that a lot of aces for one deck? I'm not that smart, can you help me out Fred?

Kato~~~putting my buddy Fred to the test.

PS. Nice picture in Inside Pool Fred (this month)

UWPoolGod
02-09-2004, 10:21 AM
But then again if everyone is sharing aces everyone would have infinite aces since they share over and over.

Even if there are two on the board and two in the hands if they are sharing everyone holds 4 aces...however since everyone is sharing each others cards...the 6 players all have 24 aces (4 from each person)...and since they are all sharing...they have 144 aces...and so on until infinity.

Some friends of mine were playign heads-up $10/hand just dealing out the cards after the shuffle and whoever has the better hand wins. One won with a 7-2 offsuit against a 5-3. LOL sad. One guy ended up $10.

Fred Agnir
02-09-2004, 11:02 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Kato:</font><hr> Darnit Fred!!!!!!!!!! Stop confusing me. Here's my new problem, time for you to put that engineering brain of yours to work.

Say you're playing 6 handed and everyone has pocket aces, that's 12 right? Then 5 aces come on the flop and that's 17 aces. <hr /></blockquote> Even worse. And I think this is the crux of this entire dumb thread. If everyone has pocket aces in a six-handed game, and 5 come on the table, then each person has 7 Aces. That must mean there are 42 Aces!!!!

That is, I think someone misread the book. If you have an Ace, and I have an Ace, and two Aces come on the flop, then each of us have a 3Ace hand. As if there were 6 Aces. I've got to get my hands on that David Sklansky book to see if that's what he was saying.

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PS. Nice picture in Inside Pool Fred (this month) <hr /></blockquote>It all depends on how you cross your eyes at it. The two cues are a Jim Buss http://www.jimbuss.com/ and Murray Tucker http://www.tuckerbilt.com/iii. The shirt is from Linda Pault at Rt. 9 Designs http://rt9ny.com.


Fred

dgkisler
02-09-2004, 11:57 AM
For the love of god, it does not take a phd in statistics or discreet mathematics to understand this. All I am saying is that when ever you SHARE cards in a community carded game it IS possible to get 5 of a kind. I should know.

UWPoolGod
02-09-2004, 12:04 PM
"You should know"...then explain it to us. Because we all think your FOS. Obviously you have your position but for some reason won't let us in on how you come to it.

Fred Agnir
02-09-2004, 12:08 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote dgkisler:</font><hr> For the love of god, it does not take a phd in statistics or discreet mathematics to understand this. All I am saying is that when ever you SHARE cards in a community carded game it IS possible to get 5 of a kind. I should know. <hr /></blockquote>Could you tell me what you need to have as hole cards and what needs to be in the community cards such that you would have a 5-of-a-kind in a single-deck game? I'm willing to learn something new.

Fred

Rich R.
02-09-2004, 12:57 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fred Agnir:</font><hr> The two cues are a Jim Buss http://www.jimbuss.com/ and Murray Tucker http://www.tuckerbilt.com/iii. The shirt is from Linda Pault at Rt. 9 Designs http://rt9ny.com. <hr /></blockquote>
You big time magazine writers get all the perks. /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Fred Agnir
02-09-2004, 01:14 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Rich R.:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fred Agnir:</font><hr> The two cues are a Jim Buss http://www.jimbuss.com/ and Murray Tucker http://www.tuckerbilt.com/iii. The shirt is from Linda Pault at Rt. 9 Designs http://rt9ny.com. <hr /></blockquote>
You big time magazine writers get all the perks. /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif <hr /></blockquote>I wish.

Kato
02-09-2004, 01:20 PM
Check out Fred, he's a walking billboard. He's a sponsors dream come true!!!!!!!!!!

Tall, dark, and handsome. Ok, so not really tall but would you look at that hair? Women love him, men wanna be him, sponsors throwing money and cues and clothes at him. Word on the street is that Fred's column is the most popular in the magazine.

Kato~~~just so ya know, I've really enjoyed your writing Fred, I'm just giving you a hard time. I hope you keep up the good work.

PS. Where the heck was the Scott Frost article this month?

Kato
02-09-2004, 01:30 PM
I'm sorry, I'm still having a problem with this getting 5 out of 4. My math skills aren't that good. Why don't you play out the scenario for me? Teach me something I don't know. Make me a smarter, better rounded person.

Just start at the beginning. You got 5 aces. The 1 or 2 times that you got them can you tell us everything that happened in the hand? Your position at the table, what limit the game was? What you bet, then what you got on the flop and what you bet, then what you got on the turn and what you bet, and then assuming you didn't chase everyone out what you bet on the river? What did the players you were in against have in their hands? Did you slow play your aces all the way? Did you check, were you raised? Did someone try to buy you out of the pot?

These are questions I'd love to have answered. Make me understand where you are coming from.

Kato

dgkisler
02-09-2004, 02:57 PM
Well it is quite simple, I had the pocket aces, two aces hit on the flop and I checked. On the river someone bet big into the pot, someone else reraised him and I went all in over the top, saying that if you two guys have a hand I hope my 5 aces will win. They both folded and my 5 aces stood up. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

dgkisler
02-09-2004, 03:05 PM
I am not surprised you rubes couldn't figure it out. Well, it has been fun, maybe I will run into some of you sqaures in a pool hall some day. You will know who I am because I will be winning all the money and stealing all the babes. Until then, if you take to many strokes, your just giving your cue a hand job and might blow your shot on the table.

Kato
02-09-2004, 03:19 PM
Now that you've made a complete moron out of yourself. Have a nice life.

Kato~~~now waiting to catch Fred huge with 7 aces /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Fred Agnir
02-09-2004, 03:23 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote dgkisler:</font><hr> I am not surprised you rubes couldn't figure it out. Well, it has been fun, maybe I will run into some of you sqaures in a pool hall some day. You will know who I am because I will be winning all the money and stealing all the babes. Until then, if you take to many strokes, your just giving your cue a hand job and might blow your shot on the table. <hr /></blockquote>I think your feet slipped while you were back-pedaling.

Fred

dgkisler
02-09-2004, 03:23 PM
Is the moron the one who speaks, or the ones who listen.

Fred Agnir
02-09-2004, 03:34 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote dgkisler:</font><hr> Well it is quite simple, I had the pocket aces, two aces hit on the flop and I checked. On the river someone bet big into the pot, someone else reraised him and I went all in over the top, saying that if you two guys have a hand I hope my 5 aces will win. They both folded and my 5 aces stood up. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif <hr /></blockquote>Tell me again why player #2 with three in the pot would stay in when the first bettor bet big and he (player #2) didn't have an Ace(cuz you had them)? I think the proper play is to fold and get out of harms way. Please don't tell me they both flopped full boats.

Fred &lt;~~~ didn't realize the Cincy Kid was posting

Kato
02-09-2004, 03:35 PM
You couldn't possibly believe someone was listening?

So, while it could be said that some of us aren't the sharpest tool in the shed you'd be hard pressed to legitamize your "moron" theory.

Kato

Kato
02-09-2004, 03:42 PM
Sometimes people stay in pots for no reason.

I was playing in a friendly game a few weeks back and the flop came down 7, J, Q. One guy bets big to represent a set of 7's. I had Q, J in the hole and I stayed in obviously one a full boat draw but with top 2 pair on board. The third guy stayed in as well. After it was all said and done I chased the first guy out of the pot on 4th street (he didn't have 7's) and the last guy stayed in with Ace high. Go figure.

Kato

dgkisler
02-09-2004, 03:57 PM
Do you guys live on a computer? The first player was on a bad and obvious bluff, the second player siad he had pocket kings, but did not show them, the king hit on the river.

woody_968
02-09-2004, 05:08 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote dgkisler:</font><hr> Well it is quite simple, I had the pocket aces, two aces hit on the flop and I checked. On the river someone bet big into the pot, someone else reraised him and I went all in over the top, saying that if you two guys have a hand I hope my 5 aces will win. They both folded and my 5 aces stood up. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif <hr /></blockquote>

So what you are saying is that you were able to bluff a couple of elementery school kids out of there milk money by saying you had five aces? YOU DA MAN!!!

BTW assuming the other cards on the board didnt show a possible straight flush wouldnt you want everyone to call your bet if you had 4 aces? Or were you afraid someone else had the fifth ace?

Dagwood
02-09-2004, 10:40 PM
that's 4 aces that I can count...where's the fifth one einstein?

Dags

Rich R.
02-10-2004, 05:24 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote dgkisler:</font><hr> Is the moron the one who speaks, or the ones who listen. <hr /></blockquote>

"It is better to be quiet, and be thought the fool, than to speak, and remove all doubt."

Too bad you spoke up.

dgkisler
02-10-2004, 01:44 PM
I still believe that the bigger fools are the ones who try to prove the fool wrong. It was such an illogical proposition to try to argue and defend, but it was even more illogical to try and prove me wrong (although some what entertaining). Well any way, my next thread will be the illogical god solution, if any one wants to hear it.

dgkisler
02-10-2004, 01:48 PM
And by the way, I started this discusion on a pool website because pool players tend to be pretty smart people, the 5 aces arguement is not very entertaining when told to slow people. If you start it on a poker site you tend to get way too many replies, but it also tends to be a lot more funny.

Rod
02-10-2004, 01:58 PM
I can hardly wait.

JPB
02-10-2004, 08:21 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Kato:</font><hr> Sometimes people stay in pots for no reason.

I was playing in a friendly game a few weeks back and the flop came down 7, J, Q. One guy bets big to represent a set of 7's. I had Q, J in the hole and I stayed in obviously one a full boat draw but with top 2 pair on board. The third guy stayed in as well. After it was all said and done I chased the first guy out of the pot on 4th street (he didn't have 7's) and the last guy stayed in with Ace high. Go figure.

Kato <hr /></blockquote>


I hope you play pool better than poker. J/K /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Top two isn't a full house draw. Four outs do not a draw make IMO. If you really thought the guy had bottom set you should have folded. By calling you gave odds to a draw with actual outs. Were you playing limit, pot limit, or no limit. In limit your top 2 is an auto raise on the flop. Mandatory. PL and NL maybe is different. I have not played much PL or NL. It would depend on stack sizes in those games I guess. Why sets win big in PL and NL is that it is hard to always put people on them. How can a flop bet narrow his hand to a set? Does the guy actually play that bad that a flop bet means a set? Also, how did you play your QJ? That is a dicey hand depending on the game, position, etc..... It is a hand you will often (not always) play, unless the game is tough. (Then you need to pick your spots carefully with it.)

In limit I would raise with position and check raise without position. If I check raised and got reraised I would slow down. If I bet the flop and got raised, and I thought it was a very good player raising my top 2 without a set, I might do a stop and go if he had position and bet into him on the turn. If a player is good a flop raise doesn't always mean a lot. A flop raise from a bad player means more. Same on the turn. Some very good players will pop the turn with much less than a bad player. If a bad player pops the turn I get scared. OTOH I have successfully done stop and go's on las vegas pro types who raise the turn. (I.E. only call the turn raise and bet into them on the river for value.) That is a dicey play and I don't know if they outplayed me to get me to do that or I outplayed them. I might just be an idiot. But I got an extra bet with the best hand. But as you go up in limits you need to give less credence to flop bets and raises. In the middle limits players posture on the flop. The turn is still meaningful, but less so. At higher limits I think the players just put more heat on on both flop and turn. But I haven't played high. This is in limit mind you. NL and PL are different.

dg-in-centralpa
02-10-2004, 09:11 PM
I GOT IT! I GOT IT! I just saved a bunch of money by switching to Geico insurance.

DG - still trying to figure out 5 aces

dgkisler
02-15-2004, 09:40 PM
sorry, i don't care any more.

HOWARD
02-19-2004, 05:11 PM
Since the rest of the board seems to disagree with you, and
I take it for grante you are not just pulling our collective
chain.

Please be so kind as to show the hand that you held giving you five aces, and any other detail or details that allows one hold five aces in Texas holdem with one deck.

Thanks,

Howard