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Wayne
02-18-2004, 03:02 PM
I was working on playing position on the 9 with this straight in shot in the side on the 8. I worked out a way of getting consistent position. I then asked 3 professional players how they would get position from here and suprisingly they all did it but in 3 ways that were different than mine. How would you do it??? Can you figure out 4 ways of doing it?
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Barbara
02-18-2004, 09:02 PM
Wayne,

You're killing us for the answers!!

The only two solutions I can come up with would be 1) high left english on the CB, cheating the side pocket to the right, going 4 rails, and looking like Efren Reyes on this shot. Or 2) low left english with draw, cheating the side pocket to the right, avoiding the scratch by going above (to the left) of the bottom side pocket, spinning that rock towards the high rail to the right, and looking like Bustamente on this shot.

What the heck else do you have? Please share!!

Barbara~~~ouch, my brain hurts... /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Popcorn
02-18-2004, 09:37 PM
I set it up and was able to do it most every time.
Shot1.

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The second shot is simple. you should have no problem making the 9 from there.

shot2.

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your thinking is sometimes different when you are playing for the 9-ball, since there is no more position to play and you can just cinch the 9 ball. Perfect position is not needed every time just something manageable that you can easily do. Even though I was able to do shot 1. pretty much every time, I would really shoot shot 2. With shot 2.I know exactly what I am going to have on the 9-ball. Anything else has the possibility of problems, even ending up with no shot at all. Making the 9-ball in shot 2., is probably easier then some of the possible position plays that could be attempted.

Chris Cass
02-18-2004, 11:50 PM
I do it the same way. Anything else is hotdogging it. I do it the first way mostly but I would do it as in examp #2 if I didn't trust the table speed.

This game should be shot in it's simplest form. IMHO

Regards,

C.C.

JohnnyP
02-19-2004, 12:12 AM
This looks do-able. Just make sure you don't follow it in.
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Popcorn
02-19-2004, 12:19 AM
I think even an average player will make that 9- ball 8 out of 10 shots. The percentage of shooting that shot for the win is so high, it is well worth just shooting it without taking any risks playing tricky position. In fact, the weaker the player, the more I would recommend they shoot the shot no. 2. For a weak player any kind of position play would be more difficult then the shot.

Popcorn
02-19-2004, 12:28 AM
You know something interesting, your shot has more risk for the right handed player then the a left handed player. If it comes a little short, a right handed player will be stuck trying to cut the ball in the left pocket with the bridge. Where as a left handed player could just get down and slice the ball in.

JohnnyP
02-19-2004, 01:00 AM
I am a lefty, but us rookies don't look that far ahead.

tateuts
02-19-2004, 01:07 AM
If the side pockets are a little generous, the easiest shot for me is to just create angle on the shot with some inside (left) english and aim for the corner of the side with a firm stun stroke and just force the cueball over like this:

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WEI Table (http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/9egg/)

The inside also kills the cue ball off either rail so it's a pretty easy shot.


The other way to create angle is to use force follow with high right english, which causes the cue ball to throw over before the follow takes - like this:

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This is harder to control because you have to use enough speed to throw the cueball over, but not so much that it goes three rails and back to the center, which is possible with a good stroke.

The there is the jump nip-draw shot, but we will save that for a future course.

That was fun - keep then comin'!

Chris

Popcorn
02-19-2004, 01:57 AM
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If the side pockets are a little generous, the easiest shot for me is to just create angle on the shot with some inside (left) english and aim for the corner of the side with a firm stun stroke and just force the cueball over like this:

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I just tried that shot and it works very easy and my table is tight. Might be difficult for a weaker player though, but it is probably a good choice for a more competent player. He has the 8 pretty far from the pocket, so it does have to be hit good and with the right speed and stroke.

bluewolf
02-19-2004, 08:51 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote tateuts:</font><hr> If the side pockets are a little generous, the easiest shot for me is to just create angle on the shot with some inside (left) english and aim for the corner of the side with a firm stun stroke and just force the cueball over like this:

The inside also kills the cue ball off either rail so it's a pretty easy shot.

Chris

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I do like this one the best but that is because I am coomfortable with inside, although Popcorn's shot looks a little tougher, it I think would be good too.

Laura

woody_968
02-19-2004, 09:46 AM
I also would either just roll forward, or as Chris said if I am comfortable with the side pocket taking the ball I would hit it a little harder and force the cueball down table a bit.

rocky
02-19-2004, 09:46 AM
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Fred Agnir
02-19-2004, 09:55 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wayne:</font><hr> I was working on playing position on the 9 with this straight in shot in the side on the 8. I worked out a way of getting consistent position. I then asked 3 professional players how they would get position from here and suprisingly they all did it but in 3 ways that were different than mine. How would you do it??? Can you figure out 4 ways of doing it?
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I am stunned that I don't see this one as choice #1:

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Fred &lt;~~~ okay, not stunned

cheesemouse
02-19-2004, 10:00 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Popcorn:</font><hr> I think even an average player will make that 9- ball 8 out of 10 shots. The percentage of shooting that shot for the win is so high, it is well worth just shooting it without taking any risks playing tricky position. In fact, the weaker the player, the more I would recommend they shoot the shot no. 2. For a weak player any kind of position play would be more difficult then the shot. <hr /></blockquote>


I think the old saying 'a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush' applys here...I think even a pro would just roll the eight in letting the cb go forward a bit and take the cut on the nine; hitting the cut on the nine too the pro side of the pocket ( the slight over cut ) and with cb speed to leave the cb on the opposite end rail......

Perk
02-19-2004, 10:09 AM
Damn...nothing like letting the stroke out. Guess ya do this when no one is watching. Might kill your action. /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Rich R.
02-19-2004, 10:37 AM
The title of this thread is "Advanced Position Play."

I believe that Fred's suggestion fits that title better than all others. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Fred Agnir
02-19-2004, 10:48 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Perk:</font><hr> Damn...nothing like letting the stroke out. Guess ya do this when no one is watching. Might kill your action. /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif <hr /></blockquote>Every time I see one of these "how would you play this" posts, I think of George Fels' articles that were called "Fantasy Shots" or something like that. He would diagram some of the wildest hope and prayers.

This one, it's simple, IMO. Roll forward. Cut the 9.

Fred

Perk
02-19-2004, 10:54 AM
I agree. Simple gets the job done most of the time. Nothing like drinking in a bar, and watching some guy draw the CB a table length and then some for his next shot to cut a ball in the side. When I see this, I think its time to challenge the table, and usually ego's get me some $$$/Drinks.

But that is a good shot that way. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Popcorn
02-19-2004, 11:09 AM
An unrealistic shot for the average player, far from a 100%. I don't see Bluewolf being able to do that shot. Shots that work every time are better, especially going to the 9-ball, since you can cinch the 9 without needing any more position.

Popcorn
02-19-2004, 11:12 AM
Not really, because the guys shot does not require advanced position play,. it seemed to be a problem for him but done right it is not really a problem shot and requires simple position play that can be done by most any player..

Wally_in_Cincy
02-19-2004, 11:33 AM
I hate to speak for Fred...oh what the hell /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I think Fred was just showing off a bit on that shot. He does have a sense of humor even if we don't see it often /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Wally~~speaking for Fred

SPetty
02-19-2004, 12:44 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> He (Fred) does have a sense of humor even if we don't see it often /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif<hr /></blockquote>Huh. I see it all the time. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Rich R.
02-19-2004, 01:03 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> I hate to speak for Fred...oh what the hell /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I think Fred was just showing off a bit on that shot. He does have a sense of humor even if we don't see it often /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Wally~~speaking for Fred <hr /></blockquote>
I think you got it right Wally. At least that is the way I took it. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Popcorn, you really shouldn't take this all too seriously. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Dagwood
02-19-2004, 03:04 PM
I would shoot it like this

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that's if I was trying to get perfect and was confident in what I was doing at the time...if not this is how I would shoot it....

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nice and simple...nothing dramatic.

Dags

SPetty
02-19-2004, 03:07 PM
For some reason, Wayne opened a new thread with his answers rather than posting his answers here. So here (http://www.billiardsdigest.com/ccboard/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=ccb&amp;Number=124498) is where you can find his answer thread.

Just trying to help.

Popcorn
02-19-2004, 04:30 PM
I was just leaving the house when I wrote that, A few minutes I left, I said to myself, He has to be just kidding.

Qtec
02-19-2004, 07:02 PM
Popcorn, you should have spotted this one.

You guys call yourselves pool players ?

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Q /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Dagwood
02-19-2004, 07:20 PM
howabouts this...basic one pocket shot and you don't even have to worry about the train wreck.

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Dags

Steve - Detroit
02-19-2004, 08:05 PM
This is approaching "artistic". Where's FL when you need him. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

See what you started, Fred?

Rich R.
02-20-2004, 05:14 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Popcorn:</font><hr> I was just leaving the house when I wrote that, A few minutes I left, I said to myself, He has to be just kidding. <hr /></blockquote>
Sometimes it just take a minute to sink in.
At least you finally got it. Some never do. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Fred Agnir
02-20-2004, 03:22 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Steve - Detroit:</font><hr> This is approaching "artistic". Where's FL when you need him. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

See what you started, Fred? <hr /></blockquote>And just think... I had at least two more shots that I could've drawn.

Fred

Chris Cass
02-21-2004, 12:53 AM
Get what? Get what Rich?

/ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif,

C.C.