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ras314
02-21-2004, 08:20 PM
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How does this happen?

Tom_In_Cincy
02-21-2004, 11:46 PM
the same way this happens.

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With enough spin on the object ball even hitting the rails at high speed (and especially on new cloth) the spin will remian until the speed reduces.

And, it has been my experience to see the ob react to even the smallest amount of spin when hitting good rails.

Frank_Glenn
02-22-2004, 04:36 AM
This shot is hit hard (otherwise it wouldn't travel that far,eh?) The object ball is sliding for the most part for the first two rails, then it starts rolling and the english causes it to go in a different direction off the last two rails. It starts straightening on the 3rd rail and reverses on the 4th.

ras314
02-22-2004, 11:43 AM
Something along those lines must be happening. Hit hard with the ob close to the rail the ob is probably sliding at contact with the first rail. Seems like it would have to be rolling by the second rail and with some side spin from the first rail. Apparently side spin reverses the angle off the third rail but by then I get lost trying to figure which way the ball should be spinning.

Same thing happens on side pocket banks, no english on the cb. Try a two rail side bank and the effect is quite obvious.

Chris Cass
02-22-2004, 12:26 PM
Hi Ras,

Same as english reverses one a two ball combo. Hit on an angle at the rail the ball imparts running english. Then reverses on the next rail and so on. Bob Jewett(sp?) could probably explain it better. So could Fred A. It's a friction thing.

Regards,

C.C.

ras314
02-22-2004, 01:01 PM
C.C., Looks like it would be running english if the cb hits an adjacent rail, reverse english if the next rail hit was an opposite rail.

Suspect the rail properties, angle and speed of hit makes the whole thing difficult to use. As I remember it, two rail side banks weren't too bad but two long rail banks were a matter of luck for me.

Qtec
02-22-2004, 01:24 PM
Here is the shot. Click "twice and thrice".


http://www.barenada.com/poolmovies.shtml


Cue ball comes of the first Cush with check side. Depending on the cushions, sometimes you have to hit the Qb with LHS.

One of the easiest shots but looks good. Could come in handy.

Q

ras314
02-22-2004, 10:12 PM
Best I can tell from the viedo there must be a lot of bottom left on the cb.

My problem is spin induced soley by the cushions and how to control it. Two rail side bank with center ball hit on the cb would look something like this...

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Chris Cass
02-23-2004, 06:06 AM
Hi ras,

It seems to me the equipment has a lot to do with it. For example, Diamond Vs Valley tables. The Diamond tables rails reverse much more than the Valley. Even on a simple one rail bank shot. On a Diamond I have to open up a cross side bank more Vs the Valley. I also find the same for the GC Vs the Tiawan Olio tables. The GC seems to come shorter.

I'm not saying the english or the speed doesn't mean much but if your consistant enough in your speed and english you'll notice the difference how the rails take. IMHO

We know the rail is going to impart some running english to a degree but I'm thinking the height of the rails might have something to do with it too. Wonder what Bob Jewett has to say?

Regards,

C.C.~~ /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Fred Agnir
02-23-2004, 07:45 AM
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How does this happen? <hr /></blockquote>Disregarding cueball spin, the object ball will pick up a certain amount of sidespin from rebounding off the cushion. Different cushions will give a different amount of spin. That's why sometimes this shot "works" on some tables and doesn't on others. As CC said, it's a friction thing.

Fred

ras314
02-23-2004, 02:51 PM
The thing that really bugs me is when the angle "shortens up" so much the ob's angle reverses and it starts banking the opposite direction. Maybe this only happens with initial spin on the ob before it hits a rail, but something just don't seem right to me.

Obviously another case of ignorance.

rocky
02-23-2004, 03:42 PM
when the nine comes off of the rail it will have a natural spin like you used top right ( because of the rail) when the bak straightens out it is still carying that spin so seems to role back towards you

NH_Steve
02-23-2004, 06:22 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Tom_In_Cincy:</font><hr> the same way this happens.
<hr /></blockquote>And the same way this happens. Shannon Daulton actually called and made this shot in the Bank Pool division of the Derby City Classic last year. It was a heck of a shot -- maybe a little bit show-boating, but either a kiss or the pocket opening seemed to interfere with any other options, and he went for it, and made it in pocket 'A'! Bank Pool players correct me if I am wrong, but I believe this is called a "straight back three times". IIRC, he considered playing it "straight back twice" into pocket 'B' first (I know that because he initially called that), then changed his mind and played it three rails.

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Qtec
02-23-2004, 07:19 PM
Did he call it '3 rails',or just in the corner.

Qtec