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bigshooter
02-28-2004, 09:38 PM
I see lots of Phillipino cues on ebay all claiming to be hand made, good quality , etc.
Has anyone tried any of these cues?
Are they decent quality?
Some of them look very nice in the photos.

bluey2king
02-28-2004, 09:59 PM
I bought one at my local pool hall from a lady who went home (there) and brought back several cues its OK not the best I just use it for Breaking. I paid $100 for it It has no inlays but nice graphics. I am not sure what selling on ebay. I just thout I would tell you. I did buy a Lucasi from Micheal J's cues I am very Happy with it!

tateuts
02-28-2004, 11:37 PM
I'm not an expert on Filipino makers by any means, but I've seen enough and hit with enough to know a little. They're not all the same and they run the gamut of quality. Some of the makers are very good and some are downright bad. Milo and Queperfect are regarded as making nice cues.

The few Filipino cues I've tried are pretty, but I didn't like the way they played at all.

Chris

Cueless Joey
02-29-2004, 12:48 AM
Edwin Reyes makes great cues.
They are on par with cues here. He KNOWS woods and cuemaking. His cues do not have metal inside minus the joint pin and bumper screw.
Viattore are very reputable as well.

777
02-29-2004, 01:57 AM
efren reyes's cue looks real simple. no inlays just red looking wood. i would guess about $75.

Cueless Joey
02-29-2004, 02:43 AM
Not quite.
Try $600 for a JT1 Judd cues.

Jimmy B
02-29-2004, 03:16 AM
Efren plays with an American made Judd, you can read all about him in the Inside Pool article last month. As far as Edwin Reyes goes his cues are out of this world, you can see some at AZBilliards.com cue forum or the torture cue at Poolplayersparadise.com, I doubt you'll see many cues like them from this or any country. As far as Cueperfect goes the guy is a nut and liar, he doesn't even make his own cues and I wouldn't go near that guy with a 10 foot pole. It does beg the question though, why not buy from someone you know a little about rather then a country??

JB

tateuts
02-29-2004, 09:21 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Cueless Joey:</font><hr> Edwin Reyes makes great cues.
They are on par with cues here. <hr /></blockquote>

Joey,

Is he in the Phillipines or is he back here again? I noticed that his cues are hot in Japan and are quite expensive.

Chris

miko
02-29-2004, 10:27 AM
2 reputable cuemakers from the Philippines are Edwin Reyes and Viattorre cues. Efren is still using his Judd although his shaft is a Philippine made, probably from one of the woods from the bowling alley.

Check out
www.viattorre.com (http://www.viattorre.com)
Edwin Reyes cues in AZ (http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=186)

Cueless Joey
02-29-2004, 01:27 PM
Edwin still makes his cues in the Philippines.
Edwin's cue business is thriving. He now kilns his own wood.
Edwin's one hell of a cuemaker. He has x-rayed a ton of cues but is professional enough not to show it to the public. It would embarass a ton of cuemakers if he showed his x-rays.
Mike, Efren btw still uses a Judd shaft. It has the black ring. It came from his old Judd.
Why does Efren still play with it? He told me a cue has to have black in it for good luck.

bigshooter
02-29-2004, 01:32 PM
I should have been more specific, I was referring to the no name cues I see a ton of them from the Phillipines on ebay all the time, like these.
cue 1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=3662906273&amp;category=21 212)

cue 2 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=3663843439&amp;category=21 212) cue 3 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=3662240874&amp;category=21 212)

cue 4 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=3662240874&amp;category=21 212)

cue5 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=3663972050&amp;category=21 212)

tateuts
02-29-2004, 06:21 PM
Bigshooter,

These are like the few I've tried. Not good, save your money. As always, the maker is pretty much everything.

Chris

bigjohnjt
02-29-2004, 07:07 PM
My friend got one of those off of Ebay, lots of inlays &amp; a python wrap. The qulity of the cue is so-so as far as fit and finish. The inlays aren't perfect like any CNC or hand made american stick. They look good from a distance but up close, they aren't fitted well or cut accuratly. The cue is 60" long and it has a taper that runs almost all the way to the joint, very whippy. The finish has a few bubbles in it also. The stick looks good but a Lucasi or the like is way more fit and finish. Heres the main problem with the cue. It has a horrible vibration in it, not something loose but the whole cue gets some kind of bad vibration in which the whole cue will shimmy while just doing warm up strokes on a shot. It is amazing to watch. It also has a lot of deflection, so much so that it will actually throw the cue ball off enough to miss a shot. My friend likes the cue except for the shaft so he is getting a shaft made for it. The vibration is probably coming from the super long taper. There isn't enough meat at the joint on the shaft side in my opinion. I'd stick with a Joss, Dominiak or somthing of the like for the price he will end up having in the cue with a new shaft. It looks good though. Had a Schmelke like that one time. Arggh!!! looks good but what a horrible shooting cue.

miko
02-29-2004, 08:45 PM
That's strange, we just spoke to Efren last thursday during the fun games of the asian 9-ball here in singapore, and what he said was that the shaft he is using is made in the philippines. Or maybe he meant, modified in the philippines

Fred Agnir
03-01-2004, 06:58 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote 777:</font><hr> efren reyes's cue looks real simple. no inlays just red looking wood. i would guess about $75. <hr /></blockquote>Efren has been shooting with Judd Cues for several years.

Fred

ArNz
03-01-2004, 07:41 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote miko:</font><hr> 2 reputable cuemakers from the Philippines are Edwin Reyes and Viattorre cues. Efren is still using his Judd although his shaft is a Philippine made, probably from one of the woods from the bowling alley.

Check out
www.viattorre.com (http://www.viattorre.com)
Edwin Reyes cues in AZ (http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=186) <hr /></blockquote>


I dnt think Efren is using a Philippine-made shaft on his Judd cue.

Check this out.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=judd+cues+group:alt.sport.pool&amp;hl=en&amp;lr=&amp; ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;group=alt.sport.pool&amp;selm=346f4564.0401241936.3e 82fac2%40posting.google.com&amp;rnum=4

Judd said that Efren is using a Judd shaft.

miko
03-02-2004, 12:39 AM
hmm.. that's strange. coz it was Efren himself who told us last thursday before the asian 9-ball tour. Or maybe we just heard him wrong.

Cueless Joey
03-02-2004, 01:25 AM
He might be but if the shaft has checkered rings ( black with two nickel rings), that's a Judd.
I bought Efren's Linds cue last year. He was also playing with a JT1 knockoff made by a Filipino cuemaker.
But, the last time I saw Judd here, in January, he was playing with his Judd.

miko
03-02-2004, 05:19 AM
yep, saw the pictures of the linds cue u posted at another forum. He is definitely using the Judd JT-1 the last 3 years he came here. I personally saw the signature of Judd in the butt section. What i am a 100% sure about is that his shaft diameter is not 13mm as stated in this month's issue of insidepool. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Fred Agnir
03-02-2004, 09:33 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Cueless Joey:</font><hr>
I bought Efren's Linds cue last year. He was also playing with a JT1 knockoff made by a Filipino cuemaker.
<hr /></blockquote>What is a JT-1 knockoff? Why would he get a knockoff made of a very plain cue?

Fred

Cueless Joey
03-02-2004, 09:41 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fred Agnir:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Cueless Joey:</font><hr>
I bought Efren's Linds cue last year. He was also playing with a JT1 knockoff made by a Filipino cuemaker.
<hr /></blockquote>What is a JT-1 knockoff? Why would he get a knockoff made of a very plain cue?

Fred <hr /></blockquote>
I saw it. It had red colored wood handle ( not cocobola) and tiger maple forearm. They like wrapless cues in the Philippines.
Miko, Efren cannot play with a 13 mm tip. That I know for a fact. I tried that old Jessie cue of his. The bowling alley shaft one. That ugly cue weighed over 21 oz and was at least 60 inches long. The shaft was incredible though. Very very stiff.

miko
03-02-2004, 08:52 PM
Efren's shaft diameter seems to be thinner than 12.75. would you happen to know what's the diameter of the shaft he uses?

Cueless Joey
03-02-2004, 09:19 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote miko:</font><hr> Efren's shaft diameter seems to be thinner than 12.75. would you happen to know what's the diameter of the shaft he uses? <hr /></blockquote>
I think it's thinner than that.
Next time, I'll measure it with my caliper. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif