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nhp
04-06-2004, 03:28 PM
It's so true it's almost scary...

"Statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception."
- Mark Twain

Could it be Mark Twain predicted.....eg8r!??!?

Iowashark
04-06-2004, 03:43 PM
I'm not going to defend anyone as I usually respect both sides. But one thing I've noticed about the on going battle between you and eg8r is that he backs up his side of the argument with facts, articles, etc... Whereas you attack, and avoid the subject as well as all valid questions directed at you.

Now reread the quote you posted and disregard the words war and nation....

sounds a bit like you doesn't it?

nhp
04-06-2004, 05:08 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Iowashark:</font><hr> I'm not going to defend anyone as I usually respect both sides. But one thing I've noticed about the on going battle between you and eg8r is that he backs up his side of the argument with facts, articles, etc... Whereas you attack, and avoid the subject as well as all valid questions directed at you.

Now reread the quote you posted and disregard the words war and nation....

sounds a bit like you doesn't it? <hr /></blockquote>

LOL! It's usually the other way around, either you don't like me or you haven't been reading many of the other threads, or both.

There is a difference between an 'attack' and poking fun. Notice the slight humor at the bottom of my post, I'm poking fun at eg8r.

Now, the reason why you don't notice the humor, is because the post made you angry, probably because you may realize there is truth in that quote. Instead of looking at the humored-nature of the post, which was my intent, your anger made you ignore any of that and 'attack' me. So, before you wit yourself to death, let's stop and see if it was really an attack that you are attacking someone about attacking.

Ok, I decided to disregard those words, and I don't see any relationship in it to me. Let's both make sure you understand the quote, ok? Here we go:

Statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting blame upon the nation that is attacked <font color="blue">George W. Bush fabricated some reasons for our country to invade Iraq. We were "positive" Saddam had WMD's, and we also had "conclusive evidence" that Saddam was linked to Al Qaida, which would be the backbone of public support for the war, since everyone wanted the heads of those who had anything to do with the 9/11 perpetrators. I haven't forgotten you, so I took the liberty of replacing Statesmen with my name, and nation with conservatives. Hmm, so apparently I've invented cheap lies about conservatives. I suppose this quote here was a cheap lie, and so was the quote by Roosevelt in the other thread, and so was the quote by Mill in the other thread. I'll be sure not to post these quotes anymore, as they are according to you, cheap lies. </font color> and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, <font color="blue"> Every conservative, will be comforted that every other conservative tells the same lie, therefore they can pretend that it is the truth and have a clear conscience, since every one of their peers accepts this lie, without admitting to anyone in their own group that it is a lie. The lie becomes every individual's guilty pleasure. </font color> and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; <font color="blue"> The conservative will then study every aspect of this lie, which is spreading to every other individual who shares the same orientation, and find ways to solidify this lie, so that any refutations against this lie can be quickly answered with another lie, all of which the conservative is claiming to be the truth. When refutations of the lie, or arguments arise, the conservative will refuse to examine any of this, no matter how damning the evidence, because the conservative already acknowledges for himself that he is supporting and spreading a lie, therefore any refutations against this lie are more than likely to be true and accurate, therefore the conservative has no need nor desire to listen to or accept any refutations, for he is not interested in the truth, only in protecting himself and the other individuals in his party. </font color> and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception <font color="blue">Eventually living a lie begins to wear down any man's soul, and guilt will begin to float on his conscience. In order to remove the guilt, the conservative wil repeatedly attempt to convince himself that the lie he is supporting and defending is the truth. After repeating this cycle for a period of time, the conservative will begin to believe his own lies, relieving himself of all guilt which was weighing him down. This is what Mark Twain describes as grotesque self-deception. Believing one of your own lies so that you may have a clear conscience. I have taken the liberty of replacing the word war with 'my argument' to satisfy you, and yet all I get here is that you must think that I lie to myself to have a clear conscience, or that I lie to myself that my argument against Bush is just. Just to inform you, I used to support Bush. It was Bush's own fault I changed sides. If the guy could have showed just the slightest bit of integrity, I wouldn't have started to notice how many different things he said about the war in Iraq, etc., just didn't add up. Bush dug his own hole with me, so don't blame me for switching sides. </font color>

bigshooter
04-06-2004, 05:19 PM
Excerpt from a letter written by Mark Twain 1898 in support of the Spanish-American War.

I have never enjoyed a war -- even in written history -- as I am enjoying this one. For this is the worthiest one that was ever fought, so far as my knowledge goes. It is a worthy thing to fight for one's freedom; it is another sight finer to fight for another man's. <font color="blue"> </font color>

I couldn't agree more!

eg8r
04-06-2004, 06:33 PM
I am not sure, what were the cheap lies that have been invented by the statesmen? As far as refuse to examine any refutations, sounds a lot like you since you have been here. You came in guns blazing with liberal mantra rhetoric, with that type of attitude I would be surpised if you have ever turned someone to the dark side.

eg8r

eg8r
04-06-2004, 06:59 PM
Seems like nhp does not do any thinking on his own. All he has been able to do lately is come up with quotes from writers.

eg8r

highsea
04-06-2004, 07:24 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote nhp:</font><hr><font color="blue">George W. Bush fabricated some reasons for our country to invade Iraq. We were "positive" Saddam had WMD's, and we also had "conclusive evidence" that Saddam was linked to Al Qaida, which would be the backbone of public support for the war, (etc, blah, blah, blah)</font color> <hr /></blockquote>

Since you are so fond of quotes nhp, here are a few more for you.

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, &amp; John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, &amp; Tom Lantos among others

"Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002

"Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction." -- Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002

"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002

"Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002

"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

"Saddam’s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq’s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration’s policy towards Iraq, I don’t think there can be any question about Saddam’s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002

-CM

eg8r
04-06-2004, 08:21 PM
Since I am not sure how long you have been monitoring the board (while living the life on the open seas), I will clarify something for you...nhp gives everyone other than Bush a get-out-of-jail-free ticket. Especially if they are anti-Bush. Nhp has not a care in the world what these people said in the past, even though they are the same people that agreed with the President before this war. Nhp just does not care. He has an agenda much along the same lines as Q, they do not care about facts. The fact of the matter is...everyone on the planet believed that Saddam had the weapons, and the desire to use them. All these politicians used the exact same intelligence when making the quotes you have so graciously quoted here. Now that it has been tough finding the well hid weapons, nhp, q and the rest of the liberal media are swarming Bush in hopes/anticipation of a new president in 05. They cannot stand the fact that Bush has been the President during two successful campaigns against the enemy, has been the President when the US came out of recession, has put more money in the pockets of the citizens, etc.

Nhp in a nutshell...recently converted liberal (no surprise after his first few posts were about liberal mantra he was being fed in class), anti-Bush no matter the subject, pro-reparations, considers anyone disagreeing with him an attack on him, if he does not get his rant across he resorts to cussing and vulagarity, etc.

He has bit the liberal bullet hard, and I am just waiting for him to post on the board giving us some warning that he is going to be Al Franken's new talk radio show, and we should all tune in and listen to him being broadcast over the air waves. I just wonder, was the kool-aid sugar-free? /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r &lt;~~~hopes nhp does not think this is an attack but rather just a brief-to-the-point-dead-on-correct evaluation

Wally_in_Cincy
04-07-2004, 06:35 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote nhp:</font><hr>...George W. Bush fabricated some reasons for our country to invade Iraq. We were "positive" Saddam had WMD's...<hr /></blockquote>

You are correct. We were "positive"

http://members.tripod.com/surkew/15f70050.gif

Saddam Hussein launched about 40 gas attacks against Iraqi Kurdish villages and targets in 1987-88 with thousands killed, including the largest attack in March 1988 on Halabjah, a Kurdish town of 45,000 in northern Iraq, causing 3,500 to 5,000 deaths, according to Human Rights Watch. Chemical agents used were a "cocktail" of Mustard gas (which affects skin, eyes, and the membranes of the nose, throat, and lungs), and the nerve gases Sarin, Tabun, and VX.


<font color="blue">To remove a baby-killer from power is a righteous cause....IMHO </font color>

cheesemouse
04-07-2004, 09:05 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote nhp:</font><hr>...George W. Bush fabricated some reasons for our country to invade Iraq. We were "positive" Saddam had WMD's...<hr /></blockquote>

You are correct. We were "positive"

http://members.tripod.com/surkew/15f70050.gif

Saddam Hussein launched about 40 gas attacks against Iraqi Kurdish villages and targets in 1987-88 with thousands killed, including the largest attack in March 1988 on Halabjah, a Kurdish town of 45,000 in northern Iraq, causing 3,500 to 5,000 deaths, according to Human Rights Watch. Chemical agents used were a "cocktail" of Mustard gas (which affects skin, eyes, and the membranes of the nose, throat, and lungs), and the nerve gases Sarin, Tabun, and VX.


<font color="blue">To remove a baby-killer from power is a righteous cause....IMHO </font color> <hr /></blockquote>



Wally,

Given that what is in your post is true/proven what would be your thinking be if it were shown that once these gas/weapons were used and the Iraqi's supplys of these same weapons were depleted they were then resupplied with these same weapons bring their arsenal back up to par....If this were the case where would the RESUPPLIER land in your logic???

Just wondering where you draw the line....

The cheese trying to look at the big picture...

Wally_in_Cincy
04-07-2004, 09:16 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote cheesemouse:</font><hr>
Wally,

Given that what is in your post is true/proven what would be your thinking be if it were shown that once these gas/weapons were used and the Iraqi's supplys of these same weapons were depleted they were then resupplied with these same weapons bring their arsenal back up to par....If this were the case where would the RESUPPLIER land in your logic???

Just wondering where you draw the line....

The cheese trying to look at the big picture... <hr /></blockquote>

You obviously are insinuating the US resupplied him. I don't know if that's true or not. I don't recall seeing any documentation of that. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I've just never seen it. If you have a link I will gladly read it. As long as it's not from the Democratic National Commitee /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

striker_3
04-07-2004, 09:29 AM
Wally,

Given that what is in your post is true/proven what would be your thinking be if it were shown that once these gas/weapons were used and the Iraqi's supplys of these same weapons were depleted they were then resupplied with these same weapons bring their arsenal back up to par....If this were the case where would the RESUPPLIER land in your logic???

Just wondering where you draw the line....

The cheese trying to look at the big picture... <hr /></blockquote>

There was no resupplier, they resupplied themselves.

cheesemouse
04-07-2004, 09:52 AM
http://www.thehumanist.org/humanist/articles/niman.pdf

cheesemouse
04-07-2004, 09:54 AM
quess again....... /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

nhp
04-07-2004, 01:04 PM
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nhp gives everyone other than Bush a get-out-of-jail-free ticket. Especially if they are anti-Bush. <hr /></blockquote>

Funny, I imagined a violin playing when I read this. Are you upset about that? Just so you feel better, I never defend anyone of these "left" or democratic politicians. You don't seem to understand that I don't share the same childish views as you and Wally. Just because I dislike Bush doesn't mean I will blindly defend all liberals or democrats. Almost every politician has done what one might consider 'wrong', I happen to feel that Bush is the worst of the bunch. The way you and Wally have a take on this, is that if one dislikes Bush, he dislikes America. Let me explain something to you both- Bush is NOT America. Bush was elected president after winning the ELECTORAL vote, not the popular. Slightly more than half the country did not vote for Bush. Still, slightly more than half the country does not like Bush. According to you, slightly more than half the country is un-American.

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Nhp has not a care in the world what these people said in the past, even though they are the same people that agreed with the President before this war. Nhp just does not care. He has an agenda much along the same lines as Q, they do not care about facts. <hr /></blockquote>

Ooh, facts. Give me some. Hello genius, your opinions are not facts. That is all we ever get from you, are your opinions. You have never given me a reason to reply to you with facts, since your opinions can be answered with mine.

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The fact of the matter is...everyone on the planet believed that Saddam had the weapons, and the desire to use them. <hr /></blockquote>

Bwahahahahah! You just proved you don't know what a fact is. Congratulations, I now dub you, sir idiot.

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Now that it has been tough finding the well hid weapons, nhp, q and the rest of the liberal media are swarming Bush in hopes/anticipation of a new president in 05. <hr /></blockquote>

Well hid WMD's? Try non-existent. Liberal media? Remember 3 months ago when our soldiers found some empty missile shells buried underground? For half the day, most news stations were saying that WMD's have been found. Once it turned out it was empty missile shells from the Iran-Iraq war, everyone shut up. Sheesh, that darn liberal media, what will they do next?

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All these politicians used the exact same intelligence when making the quotes you have so graciously quoted here. <hr /></blockquote>

The question is, WHAT intelligence? It is called intelligence when you have something concrete. Assumptions are not intelligence! These quotes are nothing more than hypothesis from all who signed them. Who of all these people holds the highest responsibility when it comes to taking action based on assumptions? Not the CIA, the CIA only provided the assumptions. The president is the one who acted on them! Duh! Hello! lol that was fun.

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They cannot stand the fact that Bush has been the President during two successful campaigns against the enemy, has been the President when the US came out of recession, has put more money in the pockets of the citizens, etc.
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Bwahahahahahahaahha! Is this another one of your so-called facts? Lol, more money in the pockets of citizens huh? Come out with the real facts buddy. Here is a shocker for you: Go and pick up the latest Newsweek, April 12, 2004. The title on the cover is The Dirty Little Secret of the Tax Cut- Why It's Smaller Than You Think. Read it all, enjoy. Your thinking is so twisted it's almost laughable. Wait, it is laughable.

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Nhp in a nutshell...recently converted liberal (no surprise after his first few posts were about liberal mantra he was being fed in class), anti-Bush no matter the subject, pro-reparations, considers anyone disagreeing with him an attack on him, if he does not get his rant across he resorts to cussing and vulagarity, etc. <hr /></blockquote>

Hey, I never got to do one of these on you. Well I guess since you have set the stage in all of your maturity, I will follow suit. Eg8r in a nutshell- Thinks anyone who is not with Bush is against America, pro-redneck, attacks anyone disagreeing with him, if he cannot argue a point, he resorts to cussing/vulgarity.
Oh yes, I remember now. Verbal masturbation. Do you still think that is vulgarity? I already explained that it's not, and saying that it is vulgar is just plain childish, literally. Grow up.

nAz
04-07-2004, 02:54 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote nhp:</font><hr> &lt;/font&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;
nhp gives everyone other than Bush a get-out-of-jail-free ticket. Especially if they are anti-Bush. <hr /></blockquote>

"Funny, I imagined a violin playing when I read this."
LOL sorry E but that was really funny /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif



"I will follow suit. Eg8r in a nutshell- Thinks anyone who is not with Bush is against America, pro-redneck, attacks anyone disagreeing with him, if he cannot argue a point, he resorts to cussing/vulgarity.

"your either with us or against us!"

Oh yes, I remember now. Verbal masturbation. Do you still think that is vulgarity? I already explained that it's not, and saying that it is vulgar is just plain childish, literally. Grow up.

Verbal masturbation?&gt; i thought that was a Hummer /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif"













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eg8r
04-07-2004, 03:34 PM
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Slightly more than half the country did not vote for Bush. Still, slightly more than half the country does not like Bush. According to you, slightly more than half the country is un-American.
<hr /></blockquote> When have I ever said if you do not like Bush you are un-American? You have said this more than once and I have questioned you on it each time. You continue to ignore it. If you are going to say it, have the guts to back it up. Grow up.

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Congratulations, I now dub you, sir idiot.
<hr /></blockquote> You "dub" me. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif This is a perfect example of my statment that you don't worry about the facts.

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Well hid WMD's? Try non-existent. <hr /></blockquote> Well hid, is correct. The man did not use them all up on his own people so what do you think happened to them? He did not destroy them, so what do you think happened to them? No one has ever questioned the fact that he had the weapons, so I ask you, what do you think happened to them?

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Remember 3 months ago when our soldiers found some empty missile shells buried underground? For half the day, most news stations were saying that WMD's have been found. Once it turned out it was empty missile shells from the Iran-Iraq war, everyone shut up. <hr /></blockquote> I guess this happened during your finals and you did not bother to watch the news, but it was out there plain as day on all the networks.

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The question is, WHAT intelligence? It is called intelligence when you have something concrete. Assumptions are not intelligence! These quotes are nothing more than hypothesis from all who signed them. Who of all these people holds the highest responsibility when it comes to taking action based on assumptions? Not the CIA, the CIA only provided the assumptions. The president is the one who acted on them! Duh! Hello! lol that was fun.
<hr /></blockquote> What was fun? So now that Bush is president you are going to say the only thing the CIA, FBI, NSA, etc offers are assumptions? I hate to say this, but I assume you were coherent when you typed this, it appears you are medicated. I guess that was the fun part.

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Lol, more money in the pockets of citizens huh? Come out with the real facts buddy. Here is a shocker for you: Go and pick up the latest Newsweek, April 12, 2004. The title on the cover is The Dirty Little Secret of the Tax Cut- Why It's Smaller Than You Think. Read it all, enjoy. Your thinking is so twisted it's almost laughable. Wait, it is laughable.
<hr /></blockquote> This is obviously something you know little about since you are in school and probably one of the guys on the free ride. As far as more money in my pocket, yup, it is the truth. The tax cut put more money in my pocket.

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Eg8r in a nutshell- Thinks anyone who is not with Bush is against America, <hr /></blockquote> Before you go any further, go back to the top of this post and prove it. When did i say this? You mention maturity in your post and then the first thing you do is make stuff up. Try again.

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Eg8r in a nutshell- Thinks anyone who is not with Bush is against America, pro-redneck, attacks anyone disagreeing with him, if he cannot argue a point, he resorts to cussing/vulgarity.
<hr /></blockquote> What the heck, here is all the drivel you posted. I mentioned the first part, for the second part...when did I ever mention a redneck? Are you making this stuff up on the fly? I have mentioned before, I do not attack, and usually will address that if I feel it might be mis-read to think I was attacking. You on the other hand have attacked, and that is evident with your use of vulgarities and language. Obviously, the last part is an absolute and utter lie, you have never seen me resort to the pitiful tactics you have employed time and time again. Find one instance of when I have resorted to cussing and vulgarities. See this is what you do best, smoke and mirrors. You say stuff with no intent to back it up, and you are very much like the liberal media. You say something and don't really care if it is the truth or not, you just hope it was enough to do whatever damage it is you were looking to do. Sorry, it does not work. If you would like to say this stuff, then back it up. Is that not the least you could expect of yourself?

eg8r &lt;~~~doubts nhp will even try to provide the backup requested

cheesemouse
04-08-2004, 04:02 AM
"It's not what you mean it's what goes on inbetween" - Cheesemouse

.....hehehe..... /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Qtec
04-08-2004, 05:02 AM
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Well hid, is correct. The man did not use them all up on his own people so what do you think happened to them? He did not destroy them, so what do you think happened to them? No one has ever questioned the fact that he had the weapons, so I ask you, what do you think happened to them? <hr /></blockquote>

Here is where your argument doesnt add up.

You are convinced that he had ties to Al Quaeda.
You are convinced Saddam had WMD.
You are convinced that Saddam was crazy enough to use these WMD.

Why then ,when faced with losing everything,didnt he use them?

It doesnt make sense, does it?

Q

eg8r
04-08-2004, 06:08 AM
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Here is where your argument doesnt add up.

You are convinced that he had ties to Al Quaeda.
<hr /></blockquote> Here is where you comprehension doesn't add up (this is definitely nothing new)...Your first argument mentions Al Qaeda...In the quote you provided, I never ever mentioned Al Qaeda (or even imply Al Qaeda). Don't add anything to what I say, it will only screw you up more.

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You are convinced Saddam had WMD.
You are convinced that Saddam was crazy enough to use these WMD.

Why then ,when faced with losing everything,didnt he use them?

It doesnt make sense, does it?
<hr /></blockquote> What doesn't make sense is your absolute denial on the subject (Quite similar to an alcoholic saying he is not an alcoholic). It is quite easy to be convinced he had the wmd's since the US was stupid enough to give some to him a long while back (this was only the beginning). It is quite easy to believe he has them because he has used them on his own people. It is quite easy to be believe he has them because he AGREED to having them. It is quite easy to believe that he has them because he has never shown any proof to destroy them. This is what is so weird about your denial, even Saddam said he had them and you don't believe it.

As far as him using it, he used it on his own people, why would someone need any more convincing. I would venture to answer your second to last question with...they were hidden (which could include temporarily moved out of the country) and if he did use them, then the US war would be validated (as far as France, Germany, and Russia were concerned). Saddam was banking on their support to deter us. That did not happen, and Saddam was caught hiding in a hole, where he belongs.

eg8r

Wally_in_Cincy
04-08-2004, 06:38 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> .... You are convinced that Saddam was crazy enough to use these WMD.

Why then ,when faced with losing everything,didnt he use them?

It doesnt make sense, does it?

Q <hr /></blockquote>

Why, when he was offered the opportunity to leave Iraq prior to the invasion, did he not take it? That doesn't make sense either.

He thought we would balk at the invasion or just lob a few cruise missles like Clinton liked to do. Well he forgot Clinton's gone and there's a new sheriff in town, and his name is <font color="red">Dubya </font color> /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

nhp
04-08-2004, 11:55 AM
Now that I look back, I realize that I have been a bit harsh in some of my replies. For that I apologize, I'll try to be a bit less insulting when I poke fun. However, I'll ask that you do the same eg8r, if you'd prefer this to be a civilized debate instead of bickering. As for the cussing, I got you mixed up with Wally, you have yet to cuss, not that it's that bad...since everyone does it. This doesn't mean that I'm changing my stance on politics, of course. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Wally_in_Cincy
04-08-2004, 12:23 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote nhp:</font><hr> .... As for the cussing, I got you mixed up with Wally,...<hr /></blockquote>

If you have a beef with me tell it to me straight and quit dropping my name in your other posts.

nhp
04-08-2004, 02:18 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote nhp:</font><hr> .... As for the cussing, I got you mixed up with Wally,...<hr /></blockquote>

If you have a beef with me tell it to me straight and quit dropping my name in your other posts. <hr /></blockquote>

Actually one of my biggest annoyances was eg8r and yourself talking about me in threads I had no part of, so I guess we can call it even.

eg8r
04-08-2004, 08:37 PM
Sounds fine. I will try to tone it down also. [ QUOTE ]
As for the cussing, I got you mixed up with Wally, you have yet to cuss, not that it's that bad...since everyone does it. <hr /></blockquote> This is what they say about welfare also. It is not that bad to get pregnant again, everyone does it. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

Wally_in_Cincy
04-09-2004, 08:06 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote nhp:</font><hr>
Actually one of my biggest annoyances was eg8r and yourself talking about me in threads I had no part of, so I guess we can call it even. <hr /></blockquote>

One of my biggest annoyances is not being able to talk some good conservative right-wing sense into your youthful, impressionable brain /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Oh well, you'll come around eventually /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

highsea
04-09-2004, 01:06 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> One of my biggest annoyances is not being able to talk some good conservative right-wing sense into your youthful, impressionable brain /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Oh well, you'll come around eventually /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Wally, just remember what Winston Churchill once said:

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."

-CM /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif