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bluewolf
04-22-2004, 06:48 AM
Whether you vote kerry or bush, Washington is sick and sick stuff has been done by both parties. I probably have some rather odd views on a lot of things, but at least I have the right to speak although freedom of press has become a rather sick joke, just spewing out a bunch of twisted propaganda we accused soviet Russia of doing.

Banning guns does not keep criminals from getting them, it only puts law abiding citizens in danger. That is why I support and belong to the NRA. What happened to 'the right of the citizens to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed upon',

Banning drugs does not keep addicts from getting them, it just keeps the mobs in business. They spend so much money trying to catch these dealers, if the drugs were legal, the dope fiend would just walk into some place like the abc store, and buy something, not die due to poison cut into it, and the gov could even make money from it, just like they make money off of the alcohol.

And think of how much money is spent every year maintaining those in prison due to dealing etc, and the court costs in processing these charges, and we know where all of that money comes from. Right, you, me and everyone in the form of state and federal income taxes, and taxes on other goods imposed by localities. If the police were not pursuing these dealers, who would not even be in business if it were legal, we would probably cut the need of policemen in half, again cutting our taxes.

I almost feel like carrying conceiled a small weapon and up yours to the dumb state I live in because it is my right as a citizen of this country. The police told me I could have a knife and I do carry one, but that is not much use if facing a criminal with a gun they either stole or got off the black market, while the polititians leave me a sitting duck.

But then I do not think income tax is legal, either. To me it is 'taxation without representation'. They get around that by saying we have house representatives but they do not represent me, they are just crooked polititians who say and vote however to get reelected and keep getting those six digit incomes. grr.

And it has now come out that the cia is directly under the president, carrying out the president's agenda, often using mobs to assasinate or attempt to assasinate other world leaders that this country does not like because they are totalitarian/socialist/communist or whatever. Often these leaders are no threat to us and it is not our business to attempt to control the politics or choice of govt in other countries. Then when someone finds out the cia does some of this stuff, guess who gets blamed, guess who gets to be the scapegoat in this 'dysfunctional family'. You got it. The president acts all innocent like they knew nothing, while the cia is just doing what the president wanted, and the cia gets to be the fall guy.

And sadaam had nothing to do with this country, nor did he have nuclear and biological weapons. If those countries over there want to butcher each other, and are no threat to us, what business is it of America to play global big brother, choosing who to protect and who to leave languishing? If America minded its own business, the terrorists would in all probabily be leaving us alone and focusing their attacks on their own govt, they are rebelling against. We have been sold on the evilness of Bin Laden, but IMO, if my country minded its own business, rather than poking its nose where it did not belong, I give it 1000 to one, that 9-11 and other terroist attacks would not have even happened.

And we have been so totally brainwashed on the evils of communism. Communism in its pure form is not a bad govt. There are no communists govts. There are totalitarian govt, run by totalitarian leaders calling themselves communist.

Like a lot of people, I once thought the president was a sort of figurehead, other than choosing their cabinet etc which supported their views, having to go through congress. I did not know about presidential directives nor about how they mainipulate the cia to carry out their own sick agendas. Now I am reading even more, that those who once worked top secret, within close appoximity to the oval office are now going public with what is going on behind those ivory doors...

Washington is sick....

Laura

Qtec
04-22-2004, 06:58 AM
Wow!

Lot of interesting topics to be discussed there.

eg8r will probably have a brain meltdown trying to figure out if you are a Dem or a Rep. LOL

Q /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

eg8r
04-22-2004, 07:02 AM
Nah.

eg8r

Sid_Vicious
04-22-2004, 07:17 AM
"they are just crooked polititians who say and vote however to get reelected and keep getting those six digit incomes. grr."

Good post Laura. I doubt you get anything in agreement from the conservative knot heads here, but as your state says to you about your right to carry, "Up theirs!"

You know it's sad that educated Americans can't get past partisan BS, and realize that this is truly a sick and vulnerable shape we've been run into, and I ain't sorry when I say that this current administration is the most dangerous of any I have ever known about. It's time to get away from "Executive Priviledges" and start answering all question in full, not by political "dancing." sid

eg8r
04-22-2004, 07:36 AM
[ QUOTE ]
You know it's sad that educated Americans can't get past partisan BS, [ QUOTE ]
I doubt you get anything in agreement from the conservative knot heads here, <hr /></blockquote> <hr /></blockquote> Isn't this interesting...The one thing you are accusing the educated of doing, you are guilty of the same all in one post. So which way do you want it?

[ QUOTE ]
It's time to get away from "Executive Priviledges" and start answering all question in full, not by political "dancing." sid <hr /></blockquote> Did you feel this way when Clinton made them famous?

eg8r

bluewolf
04-22-2004, 07:38 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> Wow!

Lot of interesting topics to be discussed there.

eg8r will probably have a brain meltdown trying to figure out if you are a Dem or a Rep. LOL

Q /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif <hr /></blockquote>

HAHA. I did not list ALL of my views and it is hard to put me into a category. I once took a computer test which asked certain questions. At that time, I thought I was a republican, sort of. After carefully answering the questions, I came out Liberal Libertarian. That type of belief system believes totally against anyone taking away any of my personal and economic rights. If you know the traditional trends of dems and repubs, you will know that I would oppose and support some agendas from both,.. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

While I support women's rights to work and to get equal pay, the truth is that a 'man' could once work hard to support his family and live in some degree of comfort.We also had extended families where the elderly were respected, helped instill moral values instead of being discarded into nursing homes, again which comes out of our taxes, like used up trash. And we had, before welfare, communities and churches that helped the needy. Now, since the govt has taken taxes to do this, the communites and churches have become complacent and agian it is full circle in that those in those communities no longer have the resources to do what they once could to help.

With the breakdown of the extended family, not only do the kids suffer lack of moral teaching, but now daycare is required, and many are on warefare because they cannot afford to work and pay daycare. It is an obvious fact that those on welfare, get more money and can live at least marginally, where the costs of daycare puts them in a position that they cannot even pay their rent. The taxes march on...the programs march on and the country keeps getting sicker and sicker...

Redicuous taxes, and paying politicians six digits incomes have made this virtually impossible ie one worker household with family help for the kids. We have a gross decay of moral teaching in the families and kids growing up with no conscience because families have been put in a position where they have to both work, while the kids have no stability and teaching. Then they go out and shoot people because noone (male or female) was at home teaching them the value of ethics, honesty or being a good person, and the politians respond by removal of more rights, like this is going to stop the shooting and the continued moral decay....need I go on. It is the govt who has put the families in this position. It is not the families or the kids at fault, it is our very own govt.

Can anyone tell me that Washington is NOT sick?

Laura

Qtec
04-22-2004, 07:45 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Did you feel this way when Clinton made them famous?
<hr /></blockquote>

Yawn......boring......
Cant you ever say anything else?

The guy is right.You have an uncanny ability in ignoring facts which contradict your own, narrow viewpoint.

A bit like GW.and Co. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Q

cheesemouse
04-22-2004, 07:51 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Did you feel this way when Clinton made them famous?
<hr /></blockquote>

ED!!!...ED...you slipped into your...but but but look at Clinton zone again....just a reminder...GW is the president now and he has been for a few years...try and stay in the 'here and now' will ya..... /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Wally_in_Cincy
04-22-2004, 07:55 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Sid_Vicious:</font><hr> .... I doubt you get anything in agreement from the conservative knot heads here, but as your state says to you about your right to carry, "Up theirs!"...<hr /></blockquote>

An imaginative, though not particularly convincing, way to buttress your argument.

bluewolf
04-22-2004, 08:12 AM
Some people, including my husband, and the whole family have their heads too stuck in the mud to look at anything outside their partison views. I do have a rather liberal sister in law who turned me onto a couple of good books. While she has more liberal partison views than I, I was interested in hearing what she thinks and bought two books, based on her recommendation.

These are only the first I am reading, but here they are for anyone willing to look at all points of view with an open mind.

Worse than watergate by Dean
Against all Enemies by Richard Clarke.

Clarke served as the counterterroism czar for both Clinton and Bush, sr. He served under seven presidents and in the white house for the administrations of bush sr, clinton and bush jr until he resigned in 2003. Here is a snippet from the jacket cover of Clarke's book, which I am currently reading and is a hot best seller.

"Most disturbing of all are Clarke's revelations about the lack of interest of Bush Jr in al Quada prior to 9-11. ..Clarke tried to persuade them to take al Quada as seriously as had Bill Clinton. For months he was denied the opportunity to even make his case to Bush.He encountered key officials who gave the impression that they had never heard of al Quada, who focussed incessantly on Iraq, who even advocated long-discredited conspiracy theories against Sadaam's involvement in previous attacks on the US. Clarke was the nation's crisis manager on 9/11-a scene discribed here for the first time- and then watched in dismay at what followed....'

Laura

eg8r
04-22-2004, 11:20 AM
I have to say, you have been his best defender.

eg8r

Qtec
04-22-2004, 07:15 PM
HaHa.
You did it again!
You just cant help yourself, can you.

Q

Wally_in_Cincy
04-23-2004, 01:42 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> HaHa.
You did it again!
You just cant help yourself, can you.

Q <hr /></blockquote>

Q, as long as we're talking about Clinton, I thought you would enjoy this...

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/toons/varvel/varvel050903.jpg