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nAz
04-22-2004, 02:44 PM
Wow Kerry had 20 kills in nam, not to shabby.
but bush also had 20 kills in the national guards... he killed 20 six packs! bahahaha

Kerry Military Records -- High Praise, Combat Kills
Wed Apr 21, 2004 06:37 PM ET
By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry's military records, released on Wednesday after critics questioned one of his medals, show he was a highly praised commander credited with killing at least 20 enemy soldiers.

The records, posted on the campaign's Web site, include effusive evaluations of Kerry's service and previously released citations for the Silver Star, Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts he earned in the Vietnam War.

Kerry, who served as a swiftboat commander in Vietnam's Mekong Delta in 1968 and 1969 during his second tour of duty, "frequently exhibited a high sense of imagination and judgment in planning operations against the enemy," according to a January 1969 evaluation by a supervisor.

The report noted Kerry "exhibited all of the traits desired of an officer in a combat environment" and was "unofficially credited with 20 enemy killed in action."

Other reports from command school and officer evaluations described him as "a highly talented, polished and professional naval officer" and "highly intelligent, well read and skilled.'

The more than 100 pages of records were released by the campaign under pressure from Republicans after one of Kerry's former commanders questioned his first Purple Heart and the severity of the shrapnel wound to Kerry's arm.

Regulations governing Purple Hearts, given for injuries caused by enemy action, do not specify a level of severity for the wounds. Navy records showed Kerry had shrapnel removed from his arm.

Kerry has made his military service during the Vietnam War a centerpiece of his campaign against President Bush. He said last week Republicans who never served in the military, like Vice President Dick Cheney and White House political adviser Karl Rove, should not question his patriotism by criticizing his defense record.

BUSH RECORD

Bush was forced in February to surrender his National Guard files from the Vietnam War period to try to stamp out election-year charges from Democrats that he shirked his duty.

Those documents offered no new evidence to place Bush in Alabama during the latter part of 1972, the period when Democrats claimed he was basically absent without leave.

Democrats said the release of Kerry's files should put an end to Republican charges against the Massachusetts senator.
"Kerry has a proud record of sacrifice and service, whereas Bush has a record of cashed-in connections and evasion," said Terry McAuliffe, head of the Democratic National Committee.

Republicans said they had simply questioned Kerry's initial refusal to make the records available because he claimed on "Meet the Press" on Sunday that all of his military records were open for inspection.

"We hope that he has now made good on his pledge and made all of his records available," said Christine Iverson, spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee.

The records include a variety of mundane forms and transfer papers along with evaluations. One officer, endorsing Kerry's request for release from active duty in November 1969, said he "has made an exemplary record while serving his country ashore and afloat."

One evaluation from a 10-week command course in California ranked Kerry, who eventually rose to lieutenant, 17th out of a class of 33. In another document, then Ensign Kerry asks for a transfer to swiftboat command after a stint on the USS Gridley.

"I consider the opportunity to serve in Vietnam an extremely important part of being in the armed forces and believe that my request is in the best interests of the Navy," Kerry wrote.

bigshooter
04-22-2004, 04:55 PM
Kudos to John Kerry for a great war record, I for one never doubted his patriotism or his war record even though I am a Bush supporter.

bigshooter
04-23-2004, 03:44 PM
I may have to rethink my support of Kerry's war record.
Lots of interesting stuff in this Boston Globe article regarding the validity of it.

Skipper says Kerry's records highly exaggerated (http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/kerry/articles/2004/04/23/discrepancies_noted_in_kerrys_record/)

Nightstalker
04-23-2004, 10:54 PM
Kerry is such a great guy.

Kerry in 1971: 'Our Democracy is a Farce'
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
April 22, 2004

(CNSNews.com) - John Kerry, the presumed Democratic nominee for president, was quoted by a student newspaper at West Virginia's Bethany College in 1971 as saying, "Our democracy is a farce; it is not the best in the world."

Kerry made the remarks on Nov. 2, 1971, according to the Bethany College student newspaper, The Tower . CNSNews.com has obtained a copy of the article written by John Majors, which details Kerry's visit to the college and appeared in the Nov. 11, 1971 issue of the newspaper. At the time, Kerry was still a leader of the anti-war group, Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW).

"There is a disbelief in the American Dream," Kerry was quoted as saying. "People are questioning if it is really a dream or if the dream still exists," Kerry reportedly told the students gathered in the school's Weimer Lecture Hall.

Two weeks after his appearance at Bethany College, Kerry resigned as a leader of the VVAW during the group's meeting in Kansas City. That's the same meeting, in which VVAW members allegedly discussed the possibility of assassinating U.S. senators still committed to the American war effort in Vietnam.

During his speech to Bethany College students, Kerry was quoted as saying that communism did not pose any kind of threat to the United States.

"The soldier went to Vietnam to defend the country from aggressive communism in the tradition of World War II," Kerry reportedly said. "But the soldier learned he was not fighting communism. Communism was not a threat to our country and the war was not moral," he added.

The college newspaper also reported that Kerry was critical of the federal government's power.

"The government can kick people around," Kerry told students. "We have allowed public officials to exercise too much power."

Kerry reportedly backed up his belief that the U.S. "democracy is a farce" by citing statistics showing that only 25 percent of those eligible to vote in the 18-21 age bracket had in fact voted. But Kerry cautioned that, "Voting is not the only way change will come.

"There will be a confrontation, but it must be a non-violent effort," Kerry was quoted as saying. "If we are interested in overall change, we must demobilize society in the direction it is headed. We can't sit around and support this kind of society," he added.

A large part of Kerry's speech was devoted to what he believed were the negative effects of the Vietnam War on American veterans.

"[Some veterans] came back with a heroin habit that cost $12 a day in Vietnam. That same habit costs $175 to $250 a day in the U.S.," Kerry reportedly said. "[S]till other veterans came back with psychological problems, such as those who sleep with knives under their pillows, or those whose wives have to wake them up with code words so they won't get stabbed."

Kerry ended his speech warning about the challenges ahead.

"The greatest of all dangers is the future. Americans know the difference between right and wrong. We must make a positive commitment. Something can be done," the Bethany College newspaper quoted Kerry as saying.

Larry Sabato, a political science professor from the University of Virginia, predicted that Kerry will try to write off his 1971 comments as "young and foolish," but that it won't be an easy task.

"Just because he was young and foolish does not mean he will not have to explain these things," Sabato told CNSNews.com . "It will cause him a problem and these quotes will be widely circulated," he added.

B. G. Burkett, a military researcher and author of the book, Stolen Valor , said Kerry's speech to Bethany College students is further proof of the presidential candidate's "hypocrisy."

"During and after the Vietnam War, [Kerry] denigrated honorable men who served this nation well in Vietnam by calling them drug addicts, rapists, murderers, war criminals," Burkett told CNSNews.com .

"He is now trying to act like he is proud of his service when at the time he renounced the U.S. government, he renounced the U.S. military and he renounced and threw away the very medals he now claims he is proud of," Burkett said.

Repeated phone calls to Kerry's campaign for reaction to his 1971 speech to Bethany College students were not returned.

highsea
04-24-2004, 04:53 AM
I have to laugh at all this sh*t, nightstalker. Is JK even the Democratic nominee yet??

HAHA talking about hedging your bets.

The Dems are so far in the hole it's not even worth discussing. This guy is the best they can do?? LOL

I can't wait for election day.

-CM

highsea
04-24-2004, 05:14 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote nAz:</font><hr> Wow Kerry had 20 kills in nam, not to shabby.
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Problem is it was 20 civilians...

Kerry's record gets flakier and flakier as the details are revealed.

The only guy in the history of US warfare to get 3 Purple Hearts, a Silver Star and a Bronze Star without missing a single day of duty.

The 20 kills are all civilians or wounded VC that should have been taken prisoner.

He gained a conscience when he got home after 4 months of duty. Thank God.

The CNO at the time thought he needed reigned in, and in his words, called it "straitjacketing" him.

Kerry's version of his Vietnam record will become an embarrasment to him and our Country as the details are made public.

My prediction.

-CM