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stickman
04-23-2004, 06:58 PM
This was my first reply from Doug the INVENTOR regarding my post concerning my own homemade version of his product. http://www.billiardsdigest.com/ccboard/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=ccb&Number=130491&Foru m=All_Forums&Words=mr8ballme&Match=Username&Search page=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=130182&Search=tr ue#Post130491 He starts off by insulting my intelligence. This doesn't sound like someone that supposedly is only interested in helping others improve their games. In my opinion, it sounds like someone unhappy that they may have lost a sale. Doug the INVENTOR purports to not have much time to post, but he regularly posts on the many forums to promote his product. How many times can you sight that he contributes any valuable help to anyone other than to let you know where you can get one or how much they cost? The many regular posters that you refer to, contribute countless time and post on a variety of subjects, and provide expertise in many different areas. This is not intended to be flaming, just my personal viewpoint, and I won't be offended if you respectfully disagree.

Jim

Tom_In_Cincy
04-23-2004, 07:19 PM
WW.

What did the webmaster say when you asked him the same question?

WW wrote:
[ QUOTE ]
Is this justice or a ccb version of the ‘klu klux klan’? Why are some allowed to advertise their products, lessons, or schools and others not?
<hr /></blockquote>

LOW Blow WW. using the KKK remark, is, IMO, overboard.

Anyone in the pool industry that wants to post here should at lease (IMO) pay some dues. Contribute to the forum by adding personal comments and/or follow up questions. Like any normal pool room atmosphere. You don't just barge into a discussion with an 'advertisement' it is blatant commercialism. Un-solicited advertizements are considered SPAM. Annoying at the least for any forum.

You might have noticed that there aren't as many 'ads' as there has been in the past.

All it takes is one forum member to hit the 'notify moderator' button and the 'ad' is deleted. It's usually just a couple of days and 'poof' it's gone.

Just my opinion. I like what Dave has done with his new invention. Too bad he didn't take some time to learn how to communicate in this forum better. There are ways to pitch a product much better than BLASTING a person using something similar.

Troy
04-23-2004, 08:26 PM
And with Tony's permission I use the Talisman logo in my posts. So what ???

Sid_Vicious
04-23-2004, 08:34 PM
"So what ??"

No malice intended, but how many Talisman tips do you install for customers over say, a one year period???sid

stickman
04-23-2004, 09:00 PM
Randy G, Scott Lee, Bob Jewitt, Blackheart, Troy, and the several others: How could anyone seriously try to compare their participation in the forum with The INVENTOR'S? This has to be a joke. These people would go an extra mile to help with advice or more if needed. JMHO

Jim

Popcorn
04-23-2004, 09:12 PM
It is a forum and has rules, they may be fudged at times and a plug or two comes in from regular posters. For the most part, I think they do a fair and reasonable job. Posters know they are not supposed to try sell stuff and no one does, maybe an occasional newby. The tone of a post may have as much to do with it being dumped as its content. The stroke trained guy was a little in you face. If he were more tactful he may not have had a problem. Actually, I think he got some positive exposure here for his product. It is kind of like handicapping a tournament, you just do the best you can with the knowledge someone is always not going to be happy.

Troy
04-23-2004, 09:56 PM
Thank you Stickman... /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I feel that I'm willing to share and I don't feel I'm giving anything away, I'm just sharing... /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Troy
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote stickman:</font><hr> Randy G, Scott Lee, Bob Jewitt, Blackheart, Troy, and the several others: How could anyone seriously try to compare their participation in the forum with The INVENTOR'S? This has to be a joke. These people would go an extra mile to help with advice or more if needed. JMHO

Jim <hr /></blockquote>

Troy
04-23-2004, 10:13 PM
I'm curious why you would ask... /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

There are months I'll do 4-5 Talismans, but other months may be zero. Maybe 30-40 a year. If I read between the lines of your question, customers through the internet (CCB, AZB, etc) might be 5-6 total tips in the 4 years or so I've been carrying them. Those through the i'net have been tips sold via the mail but not installed tips.

The number one tip hands down is Le Pro. Counting House cues, I go through about 15 boxes a year. And Le Pro tips are notoriously inconsistent -- a real pain to deal with.

Troy
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Sid_Vicious:</font><hr> "So what ??"

No malice intended, but how many Talisman tips do you install for customers over say, a one year period???sid <hr /></blockquote>

Frank_Glenn
04-23-2004, 10:31 PM
[ QUOTE ]
The number one tip hands down is Le Pro. Counting House cues, I go through about 15 boxes a year. And Le Pro tips are notoriously inconsistent -- a real pain to deal with.<hr /></blockquote>
This has puzzled me for years. Why is LePro the most popular tip? I think it is because they are cheap and most production cues come with one. Most pool players I see getting new tips do not know what type of tip they have/want. Most of them say "leather" if asked, LOL. The rest ask "what do you recommend?". BTW, I do not install tips, I just hang out in a pro shop a lot.

SpiderMan
04-23-2004, 11:28 PM
Perhaps she is right, the administrator's actions may be based upon level of complaints. If so, more complaints are likely to be leveled at someone whose participation is solely for their own gain. Most of those you named (Troy, Scott, Randy) whose advertising is tolerated participate heavily in this forum on general topics of interest. The one exception is Charlie Williams, I've never seen him do much of anything but plug his tournaments. But, he's got enough notoriety that maybe those who normally complain don't, or maybe the admin doesn't want to act. This "stroke trainer" guy, where was his forum participation before he had this product to sell?

Personally, I'd like to see a separate forum here for "commercial posts", and the advertising policy strictly enforced on the discussion forum.

SpiderMan

Chris Cass
04-24-2004, 12:10 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote whitewolf:</font><hr>
Randy G says his pool school is coming in June.
Scott talks about what he teaches on a regular basis.
Bob Jewitt has a link to his master bca academy in his signature and talks about his teaching.
Steve, who went thru Randy’s course, talks about his perceptions as an instructor on a regular basis and has a link to his business and school in his signature line.
Tony Talisman has a link to his site and responds to comments on the tips he sells.
Blackheart mentions his cues but not frequently.
Dr D advertised about her new, pricy pool book.
There are others too, but these were pulled from several threads only.

Doug carter is told by the administrator that he cannot even answer questions on his product on this forum and soon will have to remove his link in his signature line.
Bluewolf was chastised by the administrator for mentioning about selling her blackheart cue that was too heavy for her some time back.
Charlie Williams was bashed unmercifully when he posted about his pool school.

Bluewolf thinks that you have to serve time on ccb and that warnings are sent by the administrator based on the level of complaints. Persons who have been here awhile are allotted more privileges, even to the point of breaking so called ccb rules of not advertising, while a new person is given no tolerance and many complain when they step off the line one iota.

Is this justice or a ccb version of the ‘klu klux klan’? Why are some allowed to advertise their products, lessons, or schools and others not?

Or has one, some or all of the ‘stroke doctors’ complained to the administrator, fearing secretly that ‘the stroke trainer’ will cut into their business? Rumor has it that at least one professional trainer that posts regularly on ccb purchased the stroke trainer but has said nothing about it on this forum.

Don’t get me wrong. I like a little advertising within reason and I demand that the administrator correct the inequities.

Regards, WW
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W.W.,

As long as I've been here I think we're pro BCA instructors and we do have the utmost respect for the cuemakers. I see nothing wrong with that myself. When I spoke highly of Doug it was because I felt this man was really personally hurt by his unwelcome.

I looked at his product and thought it deserved notation. It by no means will eliminate the instructor. This product like others is a tool for all of us. The instructors use many aides and devices to help us players. The real gift is their ability to put action into words. I feel the instructors here are great. They don't fight amongst themselves for business and you'll see many times they recommend other instructors in certain cases. For a tooth and nail business we have the best of the bunch here.

As far as Blue wolf being chastized(sp?) about selling her Blackheart cue. I don't feel she should have even brought it up on the board. It would only raise questions why after all, Blackheart does post here too. Maybe just not a good idea? The only thing I thought at the time was. Maybe Laura might have sent the cue back to JER and maybe try to adj the weight. Everyone knows players are fickle anyway. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I think it was nice of Doug to donate his product to the ccb tourney. He does have to do like the others though. That is don't push his product so much. I think it's a great invention. I think Dr. D. did some good research for her book too. I also think Doug and Dr. D. should have given all the instructors here one of their products for nothing if they wanted a BCA qualified opinion. Then, they can advertise it in the proper way.

The board I feel has done a great job. It has gotten way better then it ever was. We also police our own many times. Of couse you get someone like me that will offer my .02 on someones product but it's more of a heads up rather than a sale. I don't make anything off of being honest and sometimes it can be brutal.

I'm surprized Mike Janis does catch any either. So many people want to come and dump adds here without paying. I see their point too. This stuff costs money. I see nothing wrong with throughing the ccb a bone either. This one has me puzzled too. I certainly like hearing about the events. maybe, we could have a separate button for tourneys. This will keep everyone happy. Don't know the rates for advertising but maybe give the members a yearly rate for posting tourneys?

Blue wolf did take some heavy flack here in the begining but, you have to admit Ray. She posted like carple tunnel in two days. LOL Well, I did exagerate.

Regards,

C.C.~~thinks the board is better than ever. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Jimmy B
04-24-2004, 04:01 AM
I got the cross, someone grab the matches.

JB

pooldaddy9
04-24-2004, 06:07 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SpiderMan:</font><hr>

Personally, I'd like to see a separate forum here for "commercial posts", and the advertising policy strictly enforced on the discussion forum.

SpiderMan <hr /></blockquote>


Good idea, that would work for everybody.

Troy
04-24-2004, 08:09 AM
I agree with "because they are cheap and most production cues come with one".
Also, it's sort of self fulfilling. It's a name that just about everyone has heard so therefore it must be popular so therefore I'll have one too. LOL... /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I hear the "leather" line often also. I have to keep from laughing.
Most customers simply ask for the cheapest tip, medium hardness.

Troy
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Frank_Glenn:</font><hr>
This has puzzled me for years. Why is LePro the most popular tip? I think it is because they are cheap and most production cues come with one. Most pool players I see getting new tips do not know what type of tip they have/want. Most of them say "leather" if asked, LOL. The rest ask "what do you recommend?". BTW, I do not install tips, I just hang out in a pro shop a lot. <hr /></blockquote>

Harold Acosta
04-24-2004, 09:03 AM
Price has a lot to do with the notoriety of the Le Pro tip, plus the fact you mentioned that it is common in almost all cues sold.

Like you said, most players don't know squat about tips. I have been asked about the layered tips but when you let them know the price, they jump up like if you were trying to steal from them.

The other day, a friend of mine purchased some of the bungee jump tips for me at Valley Forge, since I had a player asking for them. We were at the pool hall, and one of the best players in Puerto Rico was there. He asked me to show him the tip and he asked for the price. When I told him the amount; he almost threw the tip back to me. It was hilarious and almost everybody saw his reaction. It was like he had a hot piece of coal in his hands.

I was asking half the price of what it is sold in the internet. I bet he thought I was ripping him off.

bluewolf
04-24-2004, 11:25 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Chris Cass:</font><hr>
W.W.,

As long as I've been here I think we're pro BCA instructors and we do have the utmost respect for the cuemakers. I see nothing wrong with that myself. When I spoke highly of Doug it was because I felt this man was really personally hurt by his unwelcome.

They don't fight amongst themselves for business and you'll see many times they recommend other instructors in certain cases. For a tooth and nail business we have the best of the bunch here.

<font color="blue">I like the instructors too and they contribute a lot. But be honest, Chris, not everyone is tactful nor does a new person necessarily know what is expected of them on a public pool forum, as was certainly my case in the beginning. </font color>

As far as Blue wolf being chastized(sp?) about selling her Blackheart cue. I don't feel she should have even brought it up on the board. It would only raise questions why after all, Blackheart does post here too. Maybe just not a good idea? The only thing I thought at the time was. Maybe Laura might have sent the cue back to JER and maybe try to adj the weight. Everyone knows players are fickle anyway. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

<font color="blue">When I first came on ccb, people ocasionally were allowed to sell their personal things like a case or a cue, who were not doing it as part of their business. I did talk to Blackheart and he told me that to change the cue would require, in essence, butchering it and It was a beautiful cue so thought it best to sell it to someone else for whom the weight met their needs. So, in the spirit of previous tolerances, I put up that post. But that was at a time and the aftermath of what had transpired with charlie's first post about his pool school. I also think that charlie stepped on some toes, inferring that his school was superior to that of others here who have great schools too. </font color>

I think it was nice of Doug to donate his product to the ccb tourney. He does have to do like the others though. That is don't push his product so much. I think it's a great invention. I think Dr. D. did some good research for her book too. I also think Doug and Dr. D. should have given all the instructors here one of their products for nothing if they wanted a BCA qualified opinion. Then, they can advertise it in the proper way.

The board I feel has done a great job. It has gotten way better then it ever was. We also police our own many times. Of couse you get someone like me that will offer my .02 on someones product but it's more of a heads up rather than a sale. I don't make anything off of being honest and sometimes it can be brutal.

I'm surprized Mike Janis does catch any either. So many people want to come and dump adds here without paying. I see their point too. This stuff costs money. I see nothing wrong with throughing the ccb a bone either. This one has me puzzled too. I certainly like hearing about the events. maybe, we could have a separate button for tourneys. This will keep everyone happy. Don't know the rates for advertising but maybe give the members a yearly rate for posting tourneys?

<font color="blue"> Awhile back when there were problems with anons, those weird aliases, the admin and I were emailing back and forth about this. I also asked them about a separate forum for some of the personal as opposed to business advertising stuff. I was told that Billiards Digest would not alot the bandwidth for this, without knowing why. perhaps someone else with 'connections' may have better luck? </font color>

Blue wolf did take some heavy flack here in the begining but, you have to admit Ray. She posted like carple tunnel in two days. LOL Well, I did exagerate.

<font color="blue"> Not really. I did post too much. I was niave, it,ccb/pool forums was an environment I had never been exposed to. I was used to AA and NA (narcotics anon)where everyone, or lots shared on a gut, personal level. I was also a new pool player, and did know practically nothing about how pool players are, even in the poolroom. I was in a strange city, away from my support network of close friends, and coming onto ccb and not knowing that friends here are not made in quite the same way.

You gotta realize that opposed to how many become friends after a period of time, in addicts coming into recovery, new ones or sucked up fast, nurtured to keep them from going back out and posibly dying. It is life or death in those rooms.

So I was posting the only way that I knew how which was that deep level of honesty typically found in such places as AA and NA. Also, the other forums I had been on were either religious or AA recovery ones, where again such sharing was accepted and expected. So, that, I think was also part of the problem, jumping into an alien environment, not realizing it was different, the expectations were different. Open, honest, sharing was all that I ever knew, having been around recovery and spiritual people for most of my adult life.</font color>

Regards,

C.C.~~thinks the board is better than ever. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue"> So Doug walks in here, like me, not knowing how the boards are or what people expect or accept and niavely says things that others did not like, or came across in ways that were perceived as 'pushy', and the resluts were not good. He , like me, also comes from a relatively small town where friends are easily made and most are supportive. I think that 'smallness' tends to result in that type of situation, where in a bigger city, forum or whatever, you meet nice people but you have to look harder to find them in a crowd so the dynamics are not quite the same.

What is unfortunate is that having met him, watched him play, he has an A game and does have something to offer, but doubt it he will ever be back. Some were compassionate, others were not. Not everyone is like me, sticking in with almost a warrior mentality that unless I get kicked off, noone is going to chase me away. Others just do not hang in when they are not well received and even when they have something to offer, go by the way.

I think that if those who are so ctitical or sarcastic would stop and consider, honesty ask themself if they always post perfect, if they are never arrogant, if they themselves never make blunders, before pointing the finger, than perhaps people Like Doug(and others before him) would take a seat, get to know people and get comfortable. This is metaphorical and exaggerated scenario but,how many people would, upon opening a door and finding people with knives coming at them mixed with some who are kind, stay in that room, opposed to how many would run?

In spite of how much I like ccb and am comfortable here now, even if I get ctiticized sometimes, I do think that we lose from time to time, those who could be active ccbers but who unlike the rest of us, were not willing or capable of sticking in long enough to be accepted and comfortable.

As always there is wisdom in your comments, popcorn and some others but cannot comment on all of it or this post would be even longer since it is too long already. LOL

Laura</font color>

Wally_in_Cincy
04-24-2004, 12:12 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote bluewolf:</font><hr>

...So Doug walks in here, like me, not knowing how the boards are....

.....he has an A game and does have something to offer, but doubt it he will ever be back....<hr /></blockquote>

Well he's signed up for CCB III so he must not be too upset /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

bluewolf
04-24-2004, 03:59 PM
What is ccb lll? ru joking /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Laura

Tom_In_Cincy
04-24-2004, 04:10 PM
CCBIII is the tournament at the US Open in Sept this year.

Just like CCBII last year and CCBI in 2002

Sid_Vicious
04-24-2004, 05:58 PM
"Not everyone is like me, sticking in with almost a warrior mentality that unless I get kicked off, noone is going to chase me away."

By-God Laura, you ain't half steppin' when you say that! You crack me up. In all honestly I have to commend you...sid~~~admires spunk

bluewolf
04-25-2004, 05:20 PM
Regardless of who is who, how much that person contributes, here are da rules, unless they have changed and noone told me.

BTW, back when Charlie posted about his pool school I brought it up about having the same rules for everyone. Also since Chris asked, in viewing some of the admin's posts, there was a mention that he/she was looking into a for sale forum. Wonder also what happened about that, what the answer was, etc.

I heard the consensus of this board was that it was okay for those who had made contributions to the forum like scott gives lots of pool info, etc. Just did not see a mention of this in the following post from the admin.

Laura

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bluewolf
04-26-2004, 11:54 AM
With regard to products/pool cues/schools/lessons or whatever the pool business person is working in, I see three types of people.

1) A person who sincerely wants to improve, will go to any lengths to do so. These are the ones who book lessons, go to pool school, buy a cue that fits them or buys a product, whether it is the ST,BR or any other type of equipment to help their game, providing they have the financial means to do so or to save money to do so. People who go to randy's or anyone's pool school, for that matter, often pay for planefair, high hotel costs and food to get that benefit or in some cases have to save the money, but some things are just more than their weight in gold. Some also drive long distances to get lessons from good instuctors, pay money for expensive products and so forth.

2)There are others who cannot afford it but are just as serious and contact the person teaching or selling about their dilema. Some are 'gutsy' enough to do this. I have known instuctors AND those selling products and cues too who have worked something out with the person or do some kind of bartering so that the person can advance in the game; in the case of a sincere student who is serious about the game but cannot afford to pay cash on the barrelhead.

3) There are others who sit back and knock a professionsal, pool school or product that they know nothing about, preferring to wallow in their ignorance and often venom. There is a big difference here in those who mildly disagree, or they do not need the product from those who just spew venom and trash a person, any person who is just like you or me, trying to make a living and helping the pool player in the process.

"If you have not tried it, do not knock it". Guess this has irritated me for a long time and believe me I am not just talking about products such as the ST or the break rack, but ANY services offered by those in the pool business.

Just a disclaimer- I am not talking about person(s) who have the means and creativity to make a product that they are using only for their own personal use. This is neither unethical nor illegal to do this.

But, like I said, the 'rules are da rules'. The admin felt that she needed to post on this one year ago, and other aspects clearly allowed in her post,that IMO breaking of the other rules in her post are disrespectful to her.

Billiards Digest does own this forum, the admin works for them, and agree or not, it seems self destructive to not follow their rules.

And WW, as far as FL and scott, as much as it seemed like two klingons facing off and hating forever, engaging in the klingon proverb 'revenge is a dish best served cold'; I have seen way worse things in the pool community and way crueler than anything that transpired between them. Not saying that they are respectful, just saying that they were not the worst that I have seen. Wont even go there since some recent events against person(s) made me way mader than that and I am STILL mad.

Laura---&gt; in wolfy warrior packy mentality today

Chris Cass
04-26-2004, 11:54 AM
W.W.,

In my defense about the Scott Lee and Fast Larry bout. I was incompacitated when that was going on. I never even read the thread or threads on their battle. I also was not part of FL's dismissle from the board. I also, was under the impression that he pretty much did himself in.

The instructors here have always helped one another. Sure, some people are bound to not get along. From what I hear. Many people have been receiving emails that were sent by FL and they haven't been good. Boarderline rude. I also have received a pm from him about another site.

Let me say this. I have nothing against FL. I don't know his veiws nor do I know what he's all about. I do respect him for his accomplishments in the trickshot part of the business and beleive anyone with credentials had to work for them.

Scott I do know. I also know Scott is opinionated but that's Scott. Take him or leave him. I do remember him arguing about something with FL. I don't get into that stuff myself unless it hits a nerve.

I can tell this stuff is getting to you. There's no question you have respect for both FL and Doug. That's good, b/c it's nice to have friends. I just don't think you should get yourself all worked up over this stuff. Write to the admin and tell them your thoughts. See what they tell you.

I also don't like to see two professional people throwing rocks at eachother but you have to remember. When, you and BW came here both of you dogged my friend Fran and took a heavy hit from that downtown character. I forgave any ill feelings to both of you and concidered it over. Fran is a dear friend of mine and she understood why. I suggest you do the same. BTW, it's not that I'm the $hit or better than anyone else or that I'm somebody that matters but rather someone who knows what's good for everyone and when it really comes down to it. Life is way more simple than this.

Regards,

C.C.

Wally_in_Cincy
04-26-2004, 12:00 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Chris Cass:</font><hr>

...From what I hear. Many people have been receiving emails that were sent by FL and they haven't been good. Boarderline rude....<hr /></blockquote>

My last message from FL was titled " f you a'hole" /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Eric.
04-26-2004, 12:52 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr>
My last message from FL was titled " f you a'hole" /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Was it an apology?


Eric &gt;FL-&gt; /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Chris Cass
04-26-2004, 12:54 PM
Hi ya Wally,

Was it written professionally? You need new friends Wally. HAHAHAHAHA

Regards,

C.C.~~a Wally fan.

Chris Cass
04-26-2004, 01:17 PM
W.W.,

I forgot to mention this also. When you first came to us you did contribute to the pool side of this forum. I know you felt some didn't credit you for this or didn't pay attention but I read them too. I thought and still think your a good man. Thanks, in case nobody mentioned it to you.

JAT,

C.C.

bluewolf
04-26-2004, 07:15 PM
Chris,

I think that you have a lot of compassion, insight and the ability to forgive. It is too bad that there are those who can never forgive. I think that sometimes this takes time and things that are still fresh in me, are not worked out yet and in time they will be.

Some people just can never forget and it is my opinion that this can contribute to lack of emotional well being and sometimes physcial illness. Something actually happened recently in the pool community that upset me way more than FL, Scott or Doug and still have to work that through. Sometimes it is hard, especially in cases of 'intentional' cruelty which is constant, not just a temper thing, to decide if it is best to let it go or pursue justice.

Laura /ccboard/images/graemlins/frown.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/frown.gif

pooltchr
04-27-2004, 06:02 AM
WW
Just a quick response here. Yes, I do have a link to my web site for anyone that is interested. I have been posting here for quite a while, and I don't think I ever tried to solicit business from anyone. The two services I promote on my web site are instruction and the amateur tour I run. I think both of these things might be of interest to players living in this area. This is backed up whenever I check the number of hits the web site gets each month.

I don't twist anyone's arm to go to my web site, take my classes, or play on the tour. The information is simply there for the taking if anyone is interested. I have also tried to contribute to this board by answering questions, offering help and suggestions, and sharing from some of my experiences. After over 40 years of playing this game, I have managed to pick up a couple of things worth sharing.

I think there is a difference between providing information, and blatent commercialism. People like Scott, Randy, Bob and Tony have a lot to share, and many of the posters here are looking to learn as much as they can. If someone likes the things they hear from any of us, and contact us about our products or services, that's fine. But I don't think any of us look at this board as a way of promoting our business, but rather as a way of giving something back to the game.

JMHO
Steve

stickman
04-27-2004, 09:01 AM
Ray, I had nothing to do with the administrations actions. I didn't know that anything had happened until you made your post about it. If Doug would have tried promoting himself first, and tried to become a member of the community before he tried promoting his product, things may have worked out better. It appeared obvious to many that his partcipatation was only intended to be used as a means to promote his product. I suspect that is what the administration saw. Please don't throw out the baby with the bath water. The other posters you refer to provide a wealth of expert information, and it seems obvious that their primary interest is to share information, and ideas. This is my point: Is the primary interest the sharing of information and ideas, or the promotion of someones product or services?

I wish your friend Doug good luck in his venture. He and I didn't hit it off initially, but I'm a big boy, and have learned to shake off these types of things and go on.

Jim

bluewolf
04-27-2004, 11:10 AM
Just some clarification. Doug talked to me on the phone two days before ww did the post but I had told him what doug said. So it would appear that the admins decision was made prior to ray's thread.

Doug did not even know how to get on any forums. The Monk told him how and what to do on the forums. So, to me, Doug came on here and did what he did, quite niave to the way this forum operates and not knowing the rules.

I know that steve and others have their links. Perhaps the admin would consider changing the rules regarding this, but her last posting of the rules did leave me somewhat confused about why the rules were not enforced completely.

I was digging around in some recent archives for something else and just came across the post.

Laura

Perk
04-27-2004, 11:48 AM
I read the posts on the CCB daily, post occasionally, and would consider myself a part of this board. I do not sell any products, nor endorse products on this board. I read this board for pockets of information. I also read AZBilliards daily, hardly ever post there. I read the RSB, and never post there due to the format of it.

I enjoy reading about pool. It seems that too many people on these forums take this stuff way to personal. If some one is blatently (sp) violating a rule by pushing there product/tourney/advertisement, click a button and notify the moderator and forget about it. Big deal. It took me 2 seconds maybe to realize that the 'Koreandragon' was out for himself with his posts. Do I care? NO...not my problem.

As far as knowing that some professional instructors post here. Great. If individuals have a link to there site at the bottom of a post, great! It shows something about them. I can CHOOSE to go to that site. Whether its a personal site, instruction site, tourney site, it really doesnt matter.

We choose to read these forums. We can choose to open any post we like, respond to any post we like. It should be open for anyone. I get tired of the flame wars. Stuff like that should be dealt with.

Seems this kinda stuff comes up periodically then disappears for awhile. It would be nice if people would realize that posting on a forum is words, and it can be very hard to get an accurate 'emotion' from it. TOO many times statements get taken out of context and a war starts. (Check out the Fred/Popcorn saga in the pool forum).

I have alot of friends here, and I can expect responses from alot of them when certain topics come up. That is what a forum is about. Personalities come through after time. Another reason to not bash new posters. Give them chances as you might someone in real life.

IMO...we need to remember that CHOICE is what keeps a forum active. Use that instead of flame wars. I have read many posts that I feel like I could jump in and add some negative remarks, but that will not help anything. For the most part, I treat this forum as a place to communicate ideas, and I act as if I was face to face with someone. I feel all my posts have been fair and just, and I will keep them that way.

Didnt mean to vent, but after reading all the responses in this thread, I just felt that I needed to let my initial thoughts come out. Now I feel like I forgot some points.. (no surprise there).

Cheers!