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eg8r
05-05-2004, 11:27 AM
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As part of a marketing alliance between Major League Baseball Properties, Columbia Pictures and Marvel Studios, webbed logos of the upcoming film "Spider-Man 2" will appear on bases and on-deck circles in 15 stadiums of teams playing host to interleague games June 11-13.

<hr /></blockquote> The tangled web of sports and advertising (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1795742) What do you guys think about this? I personally think it is awful. I do not want to start seeing this on the bases and definitely not in the future being on the jerzees. The problem, I believe, is that once this gets started where will it go, and when will it end?

eg8r

nAz
05-05-2004, 11:36 AM
sux man they really are after every $ they can make.
I'm sure the fans well get used to it and live with it.
I wonder if they will be put the MLB logo on the Marvel/columbia movie too.

9 Ball Girl
05-05-2004, 12:43 PM
What the? You'd figure they would just pay for one of those bill board thingys that you see in the background. Wouldn't that be easier for the public's attention? I mean, what are they going to do? Zoom in to the bases every 5 minutes?

What will be next? Vote Kerry or Vote Bush on the mitts??? /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

pooltchr
05-05-2004, 12:52 PM
Maybe it will end up like NASCAR. Post game interview will have comments like "Well, It was a good day and the team had things running real smooth, and the Tide, Mobil, Exxon, Dupont, Viagra bat was just killin' the ball for me!"

Or better yet, the guy from the Men's Warehouse designing real pin stripe suits for the Yankees. "You're gonna like the way you look...I guarantee it!"

Tom_In_Cincy
05-05-2004, 01:04 PM
I've been following baseball since the mid 50s.

Advertising has been a major part of baseball as long as I can remember.

What's next? did you hear about the jocky's at the Derby this year trying to get permission to have sponsers on their silks?

Or the Boxers that have tatoo like ads on their backs?

What about all the basketball players and their tatoos? would you feel the same way if instead of the 'superman' tatoo on the Shaq there was an ad for FORD?

It's all about the money and that's the way its been for as long as I can remember.

When was the last time you enjoyed any sports viewing with out commercials?

UWPoolGod
05-05-2004, 01:06 PM
That would suck...pretty soon they will be spray painting corporate logos on the center field grass so Snoopy1 or Snoopy2 blimps can get a shot of the giant billboard from the sky.

Also what about the jockeys being able to wear corporate patched like Nascar guys. Might as well staple banners to the horses tails that'll fly as they run around the track.

eg8r
05-05-2004, 03:17 PM
I think you have been sidetracked and went off on some tangent. Here is what I said...[ QUOTE ]
I personally think it is awful. I do not want to start seeing this on the bases and definitely not in the future being on the jerzees. The problem, I believe, is that once this gets started where will it go, and when will it end?
<hr /></blockquote> What part of that made you shoot off about all advertising in baseball? I never said anything about no commercials, or whatever the rest of your post said. It would be a good idea for you to stick to the baseball issue since that is what this thread is about, I am not questioning the rest of the sports world as far as this thread is concerned. What I was asking about was the advertising on the bases in BASEBALL.

eg8r

Tom_In_Cincy
05-05-2004, 04:10 PM
eg8r wrote:
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The problem, I believe, is that once this gets started where will it go, and when will it end?
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your question, not mine. you opened this topic to all sports.

Advertisements in Baseball have been around for ever. Have you ever been to a minor league game? Bases and even base paths have sponsors.

Foe someone that wanted a reply and asked 'where was this going?' you sure were quick to question my direction.

Excuse me for busting up your thread

SPetty
05-05-2004, 05:05 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Tom_In_Cincy:</font><hr> Excuse me for busting up your thread<hr /></blockquote>I've noticed a disturbing little trend that eg8r and nightstalker are becoming quite possessive over their little threads. It's a public forum, guys, subject to the will and bent of the posters. If someone wants to comment on something you think you didn't say, gee whiz, don't get so bent about it.

nAz
05-05-2004, 08:53 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Tom_In_Cincy:</font><hr> Foe someone that wanted a reply and asked 'where was this going?' you sure were quick to question my direction.

Excuse me for busting up your thread

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lol Tom Eds been under a lot of strain lately what with having to defend every bad move the bush makes. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif and you have to admit your answer sounded pretty anti neocon to me. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Hey eg8r I told you your losing it, relax /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

anyways back to the original post what ever that was... Did you notice the Yanks while playing in Japan had a Japanees corporate logo stiched on their cap? I can't remember which one it was but i hope they don't start that here.

eg8r
05-06-2004, 07:16 AM
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your question, not mine. you opened this topic to all sports. <font color="blue"> I am not sure this takes a rocket scientist to figure out, but the subject was baseball, so given that gem of helpful information if should not be to tough to figure out I was not talking about other sports. Where will it go as far as baseball is concerned? Are we going to have advertising on the players backs, hats, etc. Admittedly, I guess I should have clarified that, but really, was it that tough? </font color>

Advertisements in Baseball have been around for ever. Have you ever been to a minor league game? Bases and even base paths have sponsors. <font color="blue"> I have not been to a minor league game in a while. Last time I was at one, the bases and base paths did not have advertising. I still don't agree with it. </font color>

Foe someone that wanted a reply and asked 'where was this going?' you sure were quick to question my direction. <font color="blue"> Because it was painfully obvious you were the only one that was unable to follow the subject. You seemed quick to add to the subject and I remember your reaction on another post when someone else mentioned another sport and your reply to them was less than desirable. The question was asked in a thread whose subject matter was painfully obvious, I was referring to exactly one sport. </font color>

Excuse me for busting up your thread <font color="blue"> I am not sure you busted anything up, but it would be nice for you to practice what you preach. I read your post, and you came across as arogant and all-knowing (if I was wrong that was definitely my fault), so I kindly redirected you back to the subject which is advertising in baseball. I am sorry it hurt your feelings. </font color>
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I will have to check out a minor league baseball game to see the advertising on the bases. I don't see anything wrong with ads on the scoreboard (off to the side) and on the outfield wall. I agree with the advertising on the cement sections seperating the upper and lower levels. I just think it is hideous to see it on the basepaths and bases.

I also think if this was an everyday laissez-faire type of advertising it would not have made the front page of ESPN's website. How often do they refer to advertising placement on their front page?

eg8r

eg8r
05-06-2004, 07:21 AM
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Hey eg8r I told you your losing it, relax <hr /></blockquote> Yes, and I have asked you more than once to explain yourself? It appears to me that you feel someone is "losing it" when they ask questions. Does more than one question at a time, constitute "losing it"? Or do the questions cause you to reply this way?

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anyways back to the original post what ever that was... Did you notice the Yanks while playing in Japan had a Japanees corporate logo stiched on their cap? I can't remember which one it was but i hope they don't start that here. <hr /></blockquote> I hope they don't start that here either. Like my first post said, "Where will it stop". <font color="blue"> This is for Tom only: I am referring to advertising in baseball and more specifically the strategic placement of the advertisements in baseball. </font color>

eg8r

eg8r
05-06-2004, 07:46 AM
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I've noticed a disturbing little trend <hr /></blockquote> If you are getting "disturbed" then my nor NS replies are not the problem.

My reply to Tom was because of the way I perceived his "attitude" in his response. He came across as very arrogant.

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It's a public forum, guys, subject to the will and bent of the posters. If someone wants to comment on something you think you didn't say, gee whiz, don't get so bent about it. <hr /></blockquote> It always surprises me when someone makes a statement like this, and I wonder if the person reads it and thinks about it before hitting the submit button. The quote in itself is a little hypocritical, completely ignoring the intention.

eg8r

eg8r
05-06-2004, 08:01 AM
I read this on Drudge (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash1.htm) [ QUOTE ]
Congressman George Nethercutt [R-WA] today wrote Major League Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig about plans to put advertisements on bases this summer.

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May 5, 2004

Allan H. (Bud) Selig
Commissioner of Major League Baseball
New York, New York 10167

Dear Commissioner Selig:

I am stunned by today’s reports that Major League Baseball is injecting advertisements onto baseball diamonds in ballparks across the country. For decades, fans have tolerated advertisements that encroach closer and closer to the baseball diamond, but to put ads on the actual bases goes one step too far.

Little leaguers deserve to see their heroes slide into bases – not ads. As a former minor-league baseball team owner myself, I believe such aggressive advertising undermines the character of America’s pastime at every level. Major League Baseball has a duty to keep baseball pure for future generations of Americans. By intruding on the baseball diamond itself, baseball’s profiteers are sacrificing too much.

The U.S. government recognizes the special contribution of baseball to our nation by granting MLB special anti-trust exemptions. This over-the-top commercialization of baseball undermines its value to our nation and potentially questions the need for MLB's special monopoly status.

At a time when so many Americans are risking their lives to protect our values and traditions, I would hope Major League Baseball would do everything possible to protect our national pastime. Before haphazardly placing advertisements on the baseball diamond, I hope you engage in a dialogue with fans. Please let me know if I can do anything to help you facilitate such a discussion.

Sincerely,

George R. Nethercutt, Jr. <hr /></blockquote>

eg8r

eg8r
05-06-2004, 08:14 AM
Yeah for the Yanks... [ QUOTE ]
NEW YORK -- The New York Yankees say they will not get caught in Spider-Man's web.


After Major League Baseball announced that ads for the movie "Spider-Man 2" will be placed atop bases during games from June 11-13, the Yankees quickly balked at the idea.


One of 15 teams at home that weekend, the Yankees insist they will put ads on the bases only during batting practice, and then just for one game, team spokesman Rick Cerrone said.


"We try to work with Major League Baseball," Lonn Trost, the Yankees chief operating officer, told the New York Daily News. "But if we think it's something that's not good for the Yankees and Yankee Stadium, we're not going to do it."


Trost told the paper that the Yankees, who host the Padres that weekend, would not allow the logo on the rubber of the pitching mound. The Spider-Man image on the on-deck circle, however, would stay throughout the game.


Yankees pitcher Mike Mussina is appreciative of his team's stance.


"Where do we go from here? Chico's Bail Bonds on us?" Mussina told the Daily News. "Somebody's making money. They're using every place they can to advertise."


Ironically, the Yankees are expected to be among the teams that benefit most from the promotion, at least from a financial stance.


Baseball will receive about $3.6 million in a deal negotiated by Major League Baseball Properties with Marvel Studios and Columbia Pictures, a division of Sony Inc., a high-ranking baseball executive said on condition of anonymity.



The Yankees and Boston Red Sox will get more than $100,000 each, the team executive said, also on condition of anonymity. Most of the other 13 teams playing at home that weekend will get about $50,000 apiece, the team executive said.



Parkes said the amount a team receives depends on the level of its participation. Geoffrey Ammer, president of marketing for the Columbia TriStar Motion Picture Group, was not immediately available for comment, spokesman Steve Elzer said.

<hr /></blockquote> I am willing to bet, if the Yankees would have received more than a piddly 100k (which does not even pay for A Rod to take batting practice) then they would have fallen for it, but money is the driver. At least right now, the Yankees are taking the high road (partly /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif ). ESPN link (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1796247)

eg8r

Cueless Joey
05-06-2004, 09:29 AM
They are only using those bases during batting, field practices and pre-game ceremony.
When the game starts, they'll replace them.
It's not any worse than that huge Marlboro board at the Shea Stadium ( I dunno if it's still there).
Or naming the parks Pacbell, Scamron, Safeco, blah blah.
I love my Angels owner Art Moreno. He took out the Edison Field name and replaced it with Angels Stadium.
I hated that Edison Field of Anaheim crap and their corporate colors. Now we have the team colors in our famous Big A sign. They also LIGHT the Halo everytime we win.
The Halo was lit all winter long after the Angels won the world series.
Something the Yanks have not done this century. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

eg8r
05-06-2004, 09:52 AM
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They are only using those bases during batting, field practices and pre-game ceremony.
When the game starts, they'll replace them.
<hr /></blockquote> This is what the Yankees are doing, not the rest of the teams.

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Something the Yanks have not done this century. <hr /></blockquote> Patience, my friend. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

Tom_In_Cincy
05-06-2004, 12:18 PM
eg8r
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I also think if this was an everyday laissez-faire type of advertising it would not have made the front page of ESPN's website. How often do they refer to advertising placement on their front page?
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I would guess that this is the very first time, or maybe only the 2nd time. I don't usually make it a point to visit that site, but I do go to MLB.com often to check standings.

Where will it end? Why would this be so upsetting to the MLB fans? Fans are surrounded by commercial ads.

Is there something about the 'on-deck', bases and base paths that is 'sacred? If so, I am begining to understand your view.

I guess I just don't let the little things bother me as much as some.

Tom_In_Cincy
05-06-2004, 01:02 PM
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This is for Tom only: I am referring to advertising in baseball and more specifically the strategic placement of the advertisements in baseball.
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Point taken.
I am now wondering how commercial ads (in non-traditional areas of the baseball playing field) directly effect (or is it affect?, I always get these confused) the fans. Maybe someone could shed some light on this.

They certainly don't bother me, but I would like to know if would anyone else, and why.

eg8r
05-06-2004, 03:24 PM
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Is there something about the 'on-deck', bases and base paths that is 'sacred? If so, I am begining to understand your view.

I guess I just don't let the little things bother me as much as some. <hr /></blockquote> Yes, to me, I think the playing area is "sacred". I don't see the need to place an ad right there in the middle of play. As far as getting bothered by it, I don't think I am bothered by it, but it did raise an eyebrow when I first saw it and had an opinion about it. Which is why I asked about it here on the board to see others opinions.

eg8r

eg8r
05-06-2004, 03:33 PM
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I am now wondering how commercial ads (in non-traditional areas of the baseball playing field) directly effect (or is it affect?, I always get these confused) the fans. Maybe someone could shed some light on this.
<hr /></blockquote> I think the right word is affect, but that is beside the point. I personally think it takes away from the game. I go to the game to see the game not advertisements. Ever since growing up, I have seen the ads on the outfield wall, and the scoreboard, etc, and that does not bother me.

I just think we should have a place for the advertisements and let them stay there. What really is the point to having an ad sitting on top of the bases?

eg8r

PQQLK9
05-06-2004, 08:20 PM
OAKLAND, Calif., May 6 -- Faced with a public outcry, angry threats from Congress and even criticism from some of its owners, Major League Baseball announced late Thursday that it was retreating from plans to place logos for the new movie "Spider-Man 2" on the bases during games next month.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6811-2004May6.html