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RedHell
06-17-2004, 07:52 AM
I have had a few mail exchange with Tony recently and he has confirmed that his 3X5 prototype is on the way and the he should be able to ship pretty soon. He didn't give me specific dates but from what I understood we are looking at end of July or mid-august.

Unlike what was discussed here in the past the case will not be a 3X6 and will be available in the Tribal model.

Now for those who's owned the tribal 2X4, I'm interested in your comments. My mind is pretty much made up, but I'm still interested to hear about how people feel about their tribal now that they've had it for a while.

I read plenty of comment from people after they received it, but now that they've used it and all I wonder if some problems have come up with the case...

I'd also be interested by John Barton's oppinion about it. I know you know your stuff on cases, and I also understand that you preffer the Instroke, but I'm not asking to be converted here, I want your fair opinion of the case backed up by the reasons.

Troy
06-17-2004, 08:12 AM
If true, I am somewhat disappointed.
Tony has mentioned several times that a 3x6 Original would be offered and I still have a "Gift Certificate" from Santa for such a case. Guess I'll stick with my 3x6 Guiseppe.

Troy
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote RedHell:</font><hr> I have had a few mail exchange with Tony recently and he has confirmed that his 3X5 prototype is on the way and the he should be able to ship pretty soon. He didn't give me specific dates but from what I understood we are looking at end of July or mid-august.

Unlike what was discussed here in the past the case will not be a 3X6 and will be available in the Tribal model.

Now for those who's owned the tribal 2X4, I'm interested in your comments. My mind is pretty much made up, but I'm still interested to hear about how people feel about their tribal now that they've had it for a while.

I read plenty of comment from people after they received it, but now that they've used it and all I wonder if some problems have come up with the case...

I'd also be interested by John Barton's oppinion about it. I know you know your stuff on cases, and I also understand that you preffer the Instroke, but I'm not asking to be converted here, I want your fair opinion of the case backed up by the reasons. <hr /></blockquote>

RedHell
06-17-2004, 08:17 AM
I was hoping for a 3X6 as well but here's the answer I got after asking:
[ QUOTE ]

"I have had a lot requests for a 3x5 and am already working on a prototype for that. Would a 3x5 work for you?

Kind regards,
Tony

Talisman Billiards Accessories
Sweet Hitting Cue Tips &amp; Fine Leather Cue Cases
www.talismanbilliards.com (http://www.talismanbilliards.com)"
<hr /></blockquote>
That doesn't mean he will never do a 3X6 tho !!!

daviddjmp
06-17-2004, 08:56 AM
I have had my Black Tribal 2X4 for a number of months now and am very happy with it. It is 6 oz. lighter than the Instroke 2X3 that it replaced, I had a latch break off the Instroke in two weeks and had to have it replaced. The leather of the Tribal is waaay nicer than the Instroke. The Talisman also has much more storage and comes with individual pouches for the compartments as well as a felt cover for the case itself.

cycopath
06-17-2004, 09:58 AM
I'm wondering how much bigger the 3x5 is than the 2x4.

I have a 2x4, that I am not currently using because it's just so damned obnoxiously BIG!

I'll probably use it again in the future, but right now I'm in that less is more way of thinking.

I guess I think people expect more than just a beat up sneaky pete coming out of that great looking case.

RedHell
06-17-2004, 10:01 AM
That was my feeling as weel when I first saw the 2X4. I was thinking what a massive case. But all in all that wouldn't stop me from using it. My guess is that the 3X5 should be that much bigger.

And the leather is impressive to the touch, I'm not leather specialist tho.

JohnBarton
06-17-2004, 02:02 PM
I posted my thoughts on the Talisman cases at the Seyberts board and, I think here before. To each his own is all I can say. Instroke has come up with a new latch that is practically indestructible. It is my opinion that the Instroke case is the better case for a host of reasons. But I do not own Instroke and have no financial gain from the sale of them. I am concentrating on a new case that I hope to have ready for the Super Show in 2005. Perhaps the best thing I could leave you with that sums up my thoughts about Talisman cases is an email that I received through the Cue Case Repair website a few days ago;

The identity of the person who emailed is kept confidential.

"Hi,
I have a Talisman 2/4 cue case in need of some repair but your sight doesn't specifically cover what I need when preparing the repair ticket (I've contacted Talisman and they're willing to repair the case for free but need it sent to Thailand. Originally, I said I'd wait until they
had a friend going that direction, but it's taking longer than I expected). The problem I have is the soft leather interior is coming apart around the rim of one of the butt tubes, as though the rim has cut through the leather. My feeling is the interior would be better if replaced with something similar to what is used in either Instroke or
Bentley cue cases, as opposed to soft leather (I did just notice you do mention "improve interior" on your sight). Is this possible and for how much? I also have one rivet missing on the top handle, and one missing
foot. If the cost is so much that you think I'd be better to wait and send it to Talisman, do you have any recommendations on what case to
purchase, in the meantime, which would avoid my having this problem again? Thank you for your time. "

So, I sincerely hope that Talisman establishes a repair center in the USA otherwise some lucky Talisman owners are going to have to become familiar with customs documents.

Have a nice day.

John Barton
www.cuecaserepair.com (http://www.cuecaserepair.com)

RedHell
06-17-2004, 03:16 PM
John, I'm sorry you replied the way you did. I sincerely wanted your oppinion and was hoping we would stay away from a conversion speach.

As you can see in my original post:

"I know you know your stuff on cases, and I also understand that you preffer the Instroke, but I'm not asking to be converted here, I want your fair opinion of the case backed up by the reasons. "

I was hoping you would tell me what you thought was good about the Tribal and what you thought needed improvement. Instead you come back with statements about the Instroke and your upcoming new case. Too bad...

You know I mentioned that I really respect your opinion but I didn't get it, instead you posted a mail you received and the e-mail was not even about the tribal.

again, too bad !

Tom_In_Cincy
06-17-2004, 04:13 PM
I've had my Tribal since last X-MAS (is that ok to work in a religious holiday for a reference?)

I am extremely happy with the 2x4 case and it has kept up very well in the last 6 months. Nothing but good responses from everyone that has seen and asked about it.

I needed a new case because the Instroke that I had purchased didn't hold my new cue. The Instroke case was too small. The lid wouldn't close. The radial pin is longer than my Joss pin and also a Bludworth sneakypete pin.

I understand that Instroke has now adapted their new line to be able to fit the radial pins. Too bad they didn't think of that years ago.

JohnBarton
06-17-2004, 07:03 PM
I didn't give you the conversion speech. I told you where to find my review of Talisman cases. I don't see where my opinion of what Talisman needs to do has any relevance when you have already stated that your mind is made up. I see no need to let Talisman mine my knowledge of casemaking to help them compete with me. They already think they do a better job so my opinon is that nothing needs to be changed.

I don't care for Talisman cases. I think they are too big, not lighter than Instroke cases, not as well made, not as efficient, certainly not as protective and when the Cowboy, Artisan, Buffalo, all of the Limiteds and the Saddle Series are used for the comparison - not anywhere close to the leather quality.

Sorry that my opinion offended you.

As for the length of Instroke cases, the Instroke case has been able to accomodate up to 31.5 inches which encompasses most 29" butts with Radial pins since 1998. So, for the last six years Instroke has made cases to accomodate most cues made. The cases were probably long enough to handle Radial pins before Radial pins even existed.

You guys can all take this as a prediction. I predict that the Talisman cases will develop a rash of problems. How do I know this? All cases develop some sort of problems because everybody uses them differently. I had a Talisman case and I inspected it thoroughly and my conclusion is that unless they dramatically change the way the cases are built then things will begin to break in the near future.

Sorry if this rains on your parade. I encourage everyone to go out and buy a Talisman case. There is nothing wrong with competition. Instroke will still continue to sell everything they can produce. Be sure to ask what the guarantee is and how shipping and handling will be taken care in the event that something happens to the case.

Like I said, I do NOT own Instroke nor do I earn any money from their sales. I do know that if an Instroke and a Talisman were subjected to certain stress tests that the Instroke would easily come out on top and that is the basis for my opinion and the reason that I build cue cases.

You all can attach whatever value to this post that you want to.

John
www.cuecaserepair.com (http://www.cuecaserepair.com)

kenz54
06-17-2004, 07:32 PM
John, I just recently bought (within the past two weeks)an instroke premier 2-2 case. Is there any way to know if I have the improved closure system or not?
Thanks.

JohnBarton
06-17-2004, 07:42 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote kenz54:</font><hr> John, I just recently bought (within the past two weeks)an instroke premier 2-2 case. Is there any way to know if I have the improved closure system or not?
Thanks. <hr /></blockquote>


The base of the latch should be in the shape of a diamond. If it is not then you don't have it. I have been installing the diamond latches for about a month now. Go to www.cuecaserepair.com (http://www.cuecaserepair.com) if you want one.

John

eg8r
06-18-2004, 06:37 AM
[ QUOTE ]
I've had my Tribal since last X-MAS (is that ok to work in a religious holiday for a reference?)
<hr /></blockquote> LOL, Tom you are too funny. In making a joke about a religious holiday, you failed to notice you took all the religion out of word. Add Christ back into Christmas and it might be a religious holiday. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

How heavy is the 2x4 Talisman? I kind of get tired of lugging around my 3x7 Instroke.

eg8r

JohnBarton
06-18-2004, 07:08 AM
Okay, this is my last post on this subject, I promise :-)

Here is the link to the Seyberts board where I reviewed the Talisman case.

http://www.seyberts.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1345

The Talisman 2x4 weighed in 1lb heavier than the Instroke 2x4 for those of you that asked about weight.

John

Chris Cass
06-18-2004, 07:22 AM
Hi Ed,

I put wheels on my JJustis 2x4 case. It works well in those long tourneys. Jack may not like it but, I think I can out run him. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Regards,

C.C.~~maybe someone will take a pic of my invention at the Open and post it? hahahahaha

Tom_In_Cincy
06-18-2004, 10:35 AM
eg8r,

I didn't find much weight difference between the two. But, I am sure if John says there is a 1 lb. differece he is correct. He ought to know, he's been carrying them a lot longer than I have.

I don't have to lug my case very far at all, maybe that's why I don't feel the difference.
4 shafts and two butts, chalk, shapers, sand paper and a crying towel is about all I carry. I can handle that..I'm not that old /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

daviddjmp
06-18-2004, 11:24 AM
A while ago I weighed the empty Instroke 2X3 and the empty Talisman 2X4, the Talisman was 6 ounces lighter-

JohnBarton
06-18-2004, 12:14 PM
Just responding to the weight issue. The material used makes up a lot of the weight. The thickness of flexible material, particularly leather, vinyl and cloth, is expressed in ounces per square foot. So 6oz leather weighs 6 ounces for each square foot of material.

With the Instroke cases the weight could fluctate between the same size case and different models by as much as a pound just because of the leather used. In the Talisman comparison I used a 2x4 Cowboy which has similar leather weight to the Talisman.

If weight is a huge issue then stay away from tube cases. Foam core cases are lighter but with the decrease in weight you will have less protection. There are some soft cases on the market which are very protective against abrasion, not so much against impact. The tradeoff is that the soft cases are very light.

One thing that is a HUGE weight reducer is to go to a luggage store and get the jumbo mega-padded straps for the case. This makes a heavy case feel MUCH lighter and wear better.

To echo Chris's idea with the wheels, I have installed wheels on three 3x7's. I have recently discovered a way make a strap on set of wheels that fits in the pocket when not in use. I also saw a gentleman at the VNEA who made a device that velcroed on the bottom and used inline-skate wheels.

John
www.cuecaserepair.com (http://www.cuecaserepair.com)

Chris Cass
06-18-2004, 12:27 PM
Oh darn John,

I thought I invented something. LOL I took mine and perminatly mounted them on the bottom of my case. I find it's not really the weight of the case so much but the way one carrys it. So many players when stopping to bs awhile will keep the thing hanging off their shoulders. They could just as well put it down.

I put mine on for the bigger events where your there and constantly walking around. It kind of makes me feel like a airplane pilot. hahaha Anyway, what you have sounds interesting.

Regards,

C.C.~~puts it down when able, switches from shoulder to hand and if it was that important you could always buy a soft case for the big events. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

kenz54
06-18-2004, 07:35 PM
Thanks for your response John. As soon as I have trouble with it.....off to you it goes! /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

BooBoo
06-19-2004, 05:37 AM
I have a friend of mine who found a small pull cart for golf clubs and converted it for his cue case. Never under estimate the power of creativity when a need arises!