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Leviathan
07-03-2004, 06:12 PM
Saw some photos of the presentation of large cash prizes to the finalists at a recent tourney in the midwest. The tournament was sponsored by the casino where it was played. The casino's rep was wearing a tux; the finalists were wearing dirty-looking jeans and tees.

Surely it's in the players' interest to present a good appearance even when the tournament doesn't announce a dress code. The sponsoring site is trying to generate publicity that'll attract the kind of customers they want, and players who look like losers aren't good publicity for a venue that's trying to draw a classy crowd. If tournaments don't generate the kind of publicity the venues want, the venues won't keep sponsoring tournaments.

I think players might do well to dress like the kind of customer the sponsoring site is trying to attract, whether the site's a classy resort that runs big-money tournaments or a local sports bar that runs nickel-and-dime weekly events. The sponsors are giving the players something they want; the players should have the brains--and the courtesy--to give the sponsors some value in return.

AS

Pelican
07-03-2004, 07:02 PM
You are absolutely right. It's a disgrace. I think that some of the players; such as Ms Laurance, Ms Lee, and Ms Baretta should set a standard by playing in flimsy nighties. But that's just me /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Chris Cass
07-03-2004, 08:55 PM
Talk about torment. I've been wrestling with longsleeve shirts. I have tattoos and although one is pool related It still I personally think isn't a good thing to show. Even without a camera present. I've decided to go with the longsleeve for myself. Like, that's all I have to worry about. LOL I like my tats but I do have to represent others silent or not. I want to look like Tony Robles. God, I respect this guy tons. I approached this man at VF and told him what it meant to me to have him sign my get well card while incompacitated. He said, "May God bless you and he was very happy to see me." Thanks NYers Carol and everyone else from PA. Also, the rest of the board for all the well wishes. They did make a difference.

Regards,

C.C.~~I believe in a dress code but refuses to wear a dress. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Popcorn
07-03-2004, 09:22 PM
If it can be told, what are your tattoos?

Pelican
07-03-2004, 09:29 PM
"C.C.~~I believe in a dress code but refuses to wear a dress."

I totally agree. But - there was that slinky little fuchsia outfit in the window of Saks Off 5th. (God, I wonder if it's available in XXLT)

Later big boy, Pel

dr_billiards
07-04-2004, 01:16 AM
LOL /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Chris Cass
07-04-2004, 02:26 AM
Hi Popcorn,

Funny story about these tats. I put a name of a girl when I went in the service. I was planning on marrying her. So, one day I was feeling no pain I went and had her name put on my arm. Well, that didn't work out and I was stuck with it.

Then, when I met Heide she didn't like it too well. So, one day we went to Fat Joe' in Chicago. I needed a cover-up. I picked out "Heckle and Jeckle" off the cartoon series I grew up watching. Both railbirds and would comment on the less fortunate species. LOL

I had it put on my arm. Only one of the "Magpies" and Joe freehanded the job. I asked him to add him holding a pool cue in one hand and a 9 ball in the other. Also, I wanted him to have a slick derby hat and smoking a cigar.

Well, then Heide felt she deserved to be on my arm too. So, the other arm I had two hearts with our names surounded in a ribbon. So, which brings me to a saying I've always believed to be true in pool and as well with Tattoos. "One will get you two."

Regards,

C.C.~~ /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Leviathan
07-04-2004, 04:34 AM
Hiya, Chris--Hey, those toos sound cool. One of the best I've seen was a banner with the words "Wilhoyt Bail Bonds, Toledo, Ohio." TR sounds like a good man.

Alan

JPB
07-04-2004, 09:58 AM
I think that players should dress decently in big tournaments, but I also hate the events where they put players in tuxedos. Evening wear is for evenings first of all, so shooting pool at 2pm isn't a place where you would wear evening wear. And then a lot of players rent, and they may not have the right sense about what to get. Looks sort of stupid. I remember being at one basically run of the mill pro event where they put the players into tuxes. I thought it was ridiculous to see the local players I knew get into ill fitting rental tuxes. They looked like kids at a wedding uncomfortable wearing a tie for the first time. It was dumb. The tournament was in a dump and not televised. Just ridiculous.

The 3C players in their little vests but no jacket look ridiculous to me too, BTW.

Players should dress in a manner consistent with playing pool or billiards in a nice room in a big city while on a date. So no jeans or t shirts, but no evening wear, bad bow ties, dumb vests, etc.... Decent trousers and a decent shirt goes a long way. People always look to golf as an example. The players never wore evening wear. They did wear shirts and ties for a long time. But the tie was discarded in, what, the early '30's maybe? They went to decent looking functional casual clothing. That is what pool players should wear IMO.

Chris Cass
07-04-2004, 10:27 AM
Hi JPB,

You bring up some valid points. Tv however is a nation wide perspective. I think the pros have brought up the standard. Tony dressed sharp when he played with Santos. They both looked good. I think the polo looks good and Rodney Morris looks good in his stuff and doesn't over shadow the polo too much.

I think it's a good idea to look good and neat. I know what you mean about dressing for the occasion though. Just look at prom nite. You'll have these kids coming in the hall with evening gowns and tux shirts while everyone else is in jeans and t'. The casinos do this constantly. They have the dealers wearing tux shirts and the costomers are looking like they just rolled out of bed. Then again I've seen dealers look as if they had their tux shirts rolled up in a ball and slaped in on for work. The arm pits all yellow because their deodorant and you think they'd buy a new one? Nope, they'll keep that same shirt for yrs. Heck, they're only $8. ea through the casino.

I wouldn't want to stand out myself. Just looking good and neat without portraying I'm better than you is how it should be. I don't want to do this so I've decided to leave my bib overhauls and tuxedo T shirt at home this yr. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Regards,

C.C.~~ /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Rod
07-04-2004, 03:22 PM
Is that anything like, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush". lol

Rod
07-04-2004, 03:32 PM
[ QUOTE ]
I think players might do well to dress like the kind of customer the sponsoring site is trying to attract, whether the site's a classy resort that runs big-money tournaments or a local sports bar that runs nickel-and-dime weekly events. The sponsors are giving the players something they want; the players should have the brains--and the courtesy--to give the sponsors some value in return.
<hr /></blockquote>

Yep, they should but seldome do. And they wonder why there is lack of money and a bad rep for the sport.

woody_968
07-04-2004, 05:33 PM
I happend across a tape I have of the '86 (or sometime along in there) of the womens open. They had the women wearing tux like clothes and it really looked funky. I think most of the women do it right now, they look nice (which I think they are encouraged to do) but not overly dressed by any means. Its too bad the men havent been able to come close to the productions that the womens tour are putting on these days.

BLACKHEART
07-04-2004, 06:34 PM
/ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gifYou can't be talking about the women pros. I've been to a lot of their tournaments &amp; they have always adhered to a dress code. As far as the men go, I've been to about a half dozen of the pro events &amp; watched hundreds of hours of televised events. They all seemed to be well dressed. What touraments are you seeing?????...JER

Leviathan
07-04-2004, 07:39 PM
Hi, Jer.

No, the tournament I had in mind wasn't a WPBA tour event. If I remember correctly, it was an independent 9-ball event and was held at a casino somewhere in the tornado belt. The finalists were men. This tournament may have taken place as much as a year ago.

I'm not sure I remember who the bad clothes culprits were, and I don't think I'd want to name them if I could. They weren't household names, main-tour players. My remarks about appropriate dress were meant to relate more to players in regional and local events.

AS

Chris Cass
07-04-2004, 10:53 PM
Ok Rod,

That one went over my head now. LOL

Regards,

C.C.

Chris Cass
07-04-2004, 10:58 PM
Ahhh Rod,

I got it. No it's more like when your suppose to be out and you miss. The guy runs out and then next rack he breaks and runs out again. One screw up will cost you two games. LOL As far as women go. I'm happy with the one I have and was worth two tats. Believe me, I have no desire to get another. On the other hand, K-Mom wants one weekly. I tell her, take it easy honey. lol

Regards,

C.C.

Rod
07-04-2004, 11:26 PM
Chris,

It's a very old saying, I'm sure before my time. Meant to imply having a sure thing. Having two in the bush isn't worth anything. You have to catch them first. lol

Yes a blown easy runout will always cost you at least two. It's Murphys law you know. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

~~Rod, knows Murphys law very well

Chris Cass
07-04-2004, 11:34 PM
HAHAHAHA I know the saying all too well both the bush thing and especially Murphys law. LOL

Man do we think alike buddy. hahahaha It's scarry.

Regards,

C.C.~~Rods simemese brother. LOL I know I spelled it wrong....

raistlin
07-05-2004, 06:00 AM
In eurotour and UK pro tour events there is a very strct dress code: black leather-looking shoes, black dress pants, collared shirt/polo.

When all the players turn up with the right gear on, it really does make a huge difference.

Barbara
07-05-2004, 08:34 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Leviathan:</font><hr>
Surely it's in the players' interest to present a good appearance even when the tournament doesn't announce a dress code. <hr /></blockquote>

What the Tour or Room Owner has to do is specifically mention a "dress code" on the flyer it sends out and on the advertising it does for the event and ENFORCE IT!!

I do this with my tour. And except for some infrequent incidents with newcomers, I rarely have any problems. In fact, Gina Lipsky is my Dress Code Cop. She goes around and makes sure every one is in compliance with my dress code while I'm signing up the women. It's even on the website:

http://www.newt9ball.com/dress.htm

Barbara

Alfie
07-05-2004, 06:12 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote raistlin:</font><hr> In eurotour and UK pro tour events there is a very strct dress code: black leather-looking shoes, [etc.]<hr /></blockquote>I like this ... as long as they can have grippy rubber soles.

Wally_in_Cincy
07-06-2004, 07:01 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BLACKHEART:</font><hr> /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gifYou can't be talking about the women pros. I've been to a lot of their tournaments &amp; they have always adhered to a dress code. As far as the men go, I've been to about a half dozen of the pro events &amp; watched hundreds of hours of televised events. They all seemed to be well dressed. What touraments are you seeing?????...JER <hr /></blockquote>

JER,

At the Dirty...er...Derby City Classic many of the players were not particularly well dressed. There were some notable exceptions

Jimmy Wetch
Charlie Williams
Max Eberle
John Schmidt
Ralf Soquet
Jeanette Lee
Sarah Rousey

amazing that only these 7 stand out from 400+ players in attendance.

I was very impressed with the WPBA players im Peoria in regard to their attire. I only saw one lady who was perhaps had tried to squeeze into something inappropriate. Let's just say she was too big for her (stretch pants) britches.

Pelican
07-06-2004, 07:21 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Barbara:</font><hr>
mention a "dress code" on the flyer and ENFORCE IT!!
Barbara <hr /></blockquote>

Hey BARBARA, can I be the 'dress code cop' when you have your 'flimsy nighty' event - can I huh, can I, can I please.

Pel /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

9 Ball Girl
07-06-2004, 09:56 PM
That's funny about wrestling with long sleeve shirts. That's the one thing I can't handle if I'm shooting. I need sleeveless all the way. Unfortunately tats have a bad rep just as pool does, and tattooed (sp?) poolplayers is probably stereotypical, but what the hell, once they get past that and see how good you play, I bet they won't forget the guy/gal with the tattoo.

I do have to agree though that it would be nice to see better dressed players. Not necessarily in suits or vests but decent slacks and shirt would be nice. Sort of the way they do it at the US Open. At least the majority of the players do.

TR loved my tats... /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Chris Cass
07-06-2004, 11:57 PM
He loves mine too. /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

C.C.

RailbirdJAM
07-07-2004, 04:55 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote JPB:</font><hr> I think that players should dress decently in big tournaments, but I also hate the events where they put players in tuxedos...And then a lot of players rent, and they may not have the right sense about what to get. Looks sort of stupid.<hr /></blockquote>

Last year, I ran into Hall of Famer Jim Rempe at a tournament in Syracuse, NY. He ended up winning the Joss Tour tourney that weekend, beating Karen Corr.

I asked him what in his opinion needs to happen to elevate pool to the same level as other sports here in the States. He said that he remembers the days when players had to wear tuxes to an event, and he feels that if players dressed like that, it would bring an air of elegance and help to remove the tarnished image pool seems to have in some folks' minds.

I shared this concept with a friend who told me that Buddy Hall said, "Putting a pool player in a tuxedo is like putting whipped cream on a hot dog!" /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

With Nike sponsoring golf and other sports, to include skate boarding, I would think they could come up with a good pool shoe, something comfortable with many layers of support, ideal for shooting pool. JMO, of course.

RailbirdJAM

Eric.
07-07-2004, 08:13 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote RailbirdJAM:</font><hr>
Last year, I ran into Hall of Famer Jim Rempe at a tournament in Syracuse, NY. He ended up winning the Joss Tour tourney that weekend, beating Karen Corr.

I asked him what in his opinion needs to happen to elevate pool to the same level as other sports here in the States. He said that he remembers the days when players had to wear tuxes to an event, and he feels that if players dressed like that, it would bring an air of elegance and help to remove the tarnished image pool seems to have in some folks' minds.

I shared this concept with a friend who told me that Buddy Hall said, "Putting a pool player in a tuxedo is like putting whipped cream on a hot dog!" /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

With Nike sponsoring golf and other sports, to include skate boarding, I would think they could come up with a good pool shoe, something comfortable with many layers of support, ideal for shooting pool. JMO, of course.

RailbirdJAM <hr /></blockquote>

I have to agree with Buddy's opinion. Personally, I prefer the 'ol T shirt &amp; Jeans but I think there should be some sort of dress code. Most tournies I go to have a collared shirt requirement. A good compromise might be to go along the lines of Golf. Dressing in a Tux is overkill, IMO.


Eric

Chris Cass
07-07-2004, 08:17 AM
Buddy luuuuves candy.

LOL,

C.C.

PQQLK9
07-07-2004, 08:36 AM
/ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
http://onepocket.org/images/BuddyGradyMiz.jpg

catscradle
07-07-2004, 08:40 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote JPB:</font><hr> I think that players should dress decently in big tournaments, but I also hate the events where they put players in tuxedos. Evening wear is for evenings first of all, so shooting pool at 2pm isn't a place where you would wear evening wear. And then a lot of players rent, and they may not have the right sense about what to get. Looks sort of stupid. I remember being at one basically run of the mill pro event where they put the players into tuxes. I thought it was ridiculous to see the local players I knew get into ill fitting rental tuxes. They looked like kids at a wedding uncomfortable wearing a tie for the first time. It was dumb. The tournament was in a dump and not televised. Just ridiculous.

The 3C players in their little vests but no jacket look ridiculous to me too, BTW.
<hr /></blockquote>

Ain't that the truth. However, I think a jacket looks equally ridiculous. It's pool/billiards, not ballroom dancing.

[ QUOTE ]

Players should dress in a manner consistent with playing pool or billiards in a nice room in a big city while on a date. So no jeans or t shirts, ... <hr /></blockquote>

Some of us would maintain that jeans and a tee are consistent with a date in a nice room in a big city. IMO, the man makes the clothes not visa-versa. If somebody's opinion of me or pool is determined by the clothes I wear I don't need them in my life. The primary purpose of clothing is to protect us from the elements in as comfortable a fashion as possible.

"Distrust any enterprise which requires new clothing." Henry David Thoreau.

daviddjmp
07-07-2004, 08:40 AM
9-Ball Girl said:
__________________________________________________ _________
That's funny about wrestling with long sleeve shirts. That's the one thing I can't handle if I'm shooting. I need sleeveless all the way. Unfortunately tats have a bad rep just as pool does, and tattooed (sp?) poolplayers is probably stereotypical, but what the hell, once they get past that and see how good you play, I bet they won't forget the guy/gal with the tattoo.
__________________________________________________ ________



Originally of course billiards was a "gentleman"'s game, hence the call to tuxes for tourneys like the 2000/2001 14.1 opens. The accu-stats tapes show Rempe, Engert, Sigel in tuxes with bow ties. For me, I could not stand to have a tight collar with a tie, cufflinks and a stiff shirt and play effectively. I wear jeans and sleeveless T-shirts and a new pair of black nikes. Additionally, I cannot play in any long sleeved shirt and feel comfortable. My tatoo is visible, but like you said, if you shoot well, that is what they should be worrying about. As long as one's appearance is neat and groomed (read clean) a little individual style adds to the game.

catscradle
07-07-2004, 08:51 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote daviddjmp:</font><hr> ... I wear jeans and sleeveless T-shirts and a new pair of black nikes. ...
<hr /></blockquote>

As long as it isn't black jeans and black tee to go with the black nikes. We don't to hear about a your suicide to return to the mother ship like those Heaven's Gate cult guys in CA. /ccboard/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

daviddjmp
07-07-2004, 09:18 AM
hehehe-

I try to throw some gray and dark blue in there at times-

Pelican
07-08-2004, 08:21 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote 9 Ball Girl:</font><hr>

TR loved my tats... /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Bet He Did!!!
Oh, you said tats.

Never mind, Pel

catscradle
07-09-2004, 06:47 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Pelican:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote 9 Ball Girl:</font><hr>

TR loved my tats... /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Bet He Did!!!
Oh, you said tats.

Never mind, Pel <hr /></blockquote>

Dirty old man!! /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

9 Ball Girl
07-09-2004, 07:54 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Pelican:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote 9 Ball Girl:</font><hr>

TR loved my tats... /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Bet He Did!!!
Oh, you said tats.

Never mind, Pel <hr /></blockquote>Lets just say he liked a lot of things while we were dating! /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Anyway, back to the subject at hand, although I've read that some of the players scoffed at her clothes, I see nothing wrong with this:

http://www.onthesnap.com/players/images/jenette_lee_23.jpg

JPB
07-09-2004, 09:27 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote 9 Ball Girl:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Pelican:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote 9 Ball Girl:</font><hr>

TR loved my tats... /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Bet He Did!!!
Oh, you said tats.

Never mind, Pel <hr /></blockquote>Lets just say he liked a lot of things while we were dating! /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Anyway, back to the subject at hand, although I've read that some of the players scoffed at her clothes, I see nothing wrong with this:

http://www.onthesnap.com/players/images/jenette_lee_23.jpg <hr /></blockquote>

I don't either. I would if Buddy Hall or Mizerak were wearing that, however. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Chris Cass
07-09-2004, 06:59 PM
Buddy has candy. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

C.C.

Keith Talent
07-10-2004, 12:07 AM
Nothing beats what Jeanette's wearing, of course, but for us guys I thought the quasi-uniform has become the polo shirt. You don't want something loose that hangs down and brushes against your stick, right? Or some tight office clothes that tug at you and mess with whatever kind of stroke you hope to maintain. And T-shirts, well, they don't always hold up so well after a while, if the fabric's a little thin, maybe.

I always thought polo shirts were total squaresville, maybe even The Full Cleveland, but I've picked up a few of em lately because nothing seems as well-adapted to the movements you gotta make, like those one-arm curls ...

Pelican
07-10-2004, 10:12 AM
Hey let's be realistic. Jeanette would look good wearing anything.................or nothing.

OK, cats cradle is right, I'm a dirty old man. But hey, dirty old men need love too /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Later, Pel /ccboard/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Chris Cass
07-10-2004, 10:41 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Pelican:</font><hr> Hey let's be realistic. Jeanette would look good wearing anything.................or nothing.

OK, cats cradle is right, I'm a dirty old man. But hey, dirty old men need love too /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Later, Pel /ccboard/images/graemlins/crazy.gif <hr /></blockquote>

He's just jealous because you thought of it first. LMAO

Regards,

C.C.~~hey, it's your fantacy. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Chris Cass
07-10-2004, 10:45 AM
Hi Keith,

I agree and I like some polo' too. They're pretty comfortable to shoot with. Besides, I look like a gulfer in one. hahahha

Regards,

C.C.~~don't think he'll make the tv cameras but I do have to represent Dr. D. too and that might be a problem.

Alfie
07-10-2004, 01:14 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Eric.:</font><hr> A good compromise might be to go along the lines of Golf. Dressing in a Tux is overkill, IMO. <hr /></blockquote>
You don't play sports in a tuxedo, IMO.

Chris Cass
07-10-2004, 04:51 PM
James Bond does...

Regards,

C.C.~~ /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif got ya

Eric.
07-12-2004, 10:33 AM
That was my opinion too. I can agree with raising Pool's image, but c'mon!


Eric