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Cueless Joey
07-15-2004, 04:46 PM
http://slate.msn.com/id/2103794/?GT1=4244

PQQLK9
07-15-2004, 05:46 PM
Gotta love the Coz.

mred477
07-15-2004, 06:07 PM
He's also right (for the most part).

Will

dg-in-centralpa
07-15-2004, 06:53 PM
He is right. Although I don't see his words making any difference to his people.

DG

Ross
07-15-2004, 10:15 PM
Based on my conversations with "his people" (I assume you mean blacks) at the pool hall and at work I think more of them agree with Cosby than you may be giving credit to. One black guy I play pool with is a middle-class fireman, another is a computer specialist for Cisco Systems, and my next door colleague at work is a black PhD statistician. All of them come down pretty solidly in agreeing with Cosby's views that blacks (or whites) that drop out of school, turn to crime or welfare to avoid honest work, or men that treat their women like ho's should shape up and take some personal responsibility for their problems.

Now it is just up to the black leadership to catch up with the black middle class. Hopefully Cosby will be the catalyst to help that happen.

eg8r
07-16-2004, 06:17 AM
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Now it is just up to the black leadership to catch up with the black middle class. Hopefully Cosby will be the catalyst to help that happen. <hr /></blockquote> While I completely agree with the above quote, I don't necessarily fully agree with this quote... [ QUOTE ]
Based on my conversations with "his people" (I assume you mean blacks) at the pool hall and at work I think more of them agree with Cosby than you may be giving credit to. One black guy I play pool with is a middle-class fireman, another is a computer specialist for Cisco Systems, and my next door colleague at work is a black PhD statistician. <hr /></blockquote> The couple instances that you list (and I don't doubt there are other less well-off people you have talked with) really are not the people Cosby is talking to. This is similar to what the news will do at a rape trial, they will print only the women they interview. This is not to say men are not upset about rape, but women are much more emotional in their replies. Back to the two you mention, surely they both would agree with Cosby because it appears they both are headed down the right path. Now, take Cosby's words and start walking around the ghetto and talking with "the people" and tell us if the situation is the same.

I personally think Cosby is right on track and frankly it is a shame he seems to be talking to only the black community. His address should blanket all races as we all have the same dirty laundry.

eg8r

Ross
07-16-2004, 02:31 PM
Eg8r, you do continue to astound - the logic of your post is so bass-ackwards and your reasoning is so bizarre I really don't know what to say.

Let's see. I point out that it is misleading to say "his (Cosby's) people" won't listen because there is diversity of values, opinion, and behavior in the black community. You disagree, illogically pointing out that there is diversity of values, opinions, and behavior in the black community??? You then incorrectly (and rather amazingly) state that Cosby is really only talking to ghetto blacks, even though Cosby is addressing the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition and Citizenship Education Fund's in Chicago (that is, a group that was formed to provide leadership and assistance to the black community).

So, in your bizarro world Cosby's "people" consists of ghetto residents. Whose "people" are the rest of the US black population? It reminds me of the racist who when faced with a hard working, articulate, educated black say "well he isn't acting black!"

But I guess you do have your proof though Eg8r -- after all newspapers only quote women at rape trials??? /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Eg8r, have you heard the old United Negro College Fund saying "A mind is a terrible thing to waste." Just wondering...

Ross ~ really, really does have to quit responding to Eg8r's posts.

eg8r
07-16-2004, 10:33 PM
I am not sure if I remember correctly but I think I remember you once stating you are a college professor. If this is true, I hope and pray your students do not see you on this board. As of your last few posts, it appears you fit the wonderful stereotype of our educators, and you are unable to interact with the public. This is not your classroom where you are brainwashing kids, and you are not the high and mighty. So leave the personal attacks alone. I would hate to see another liberal fall into the same little hole the rest are in, when you can't make a point, make a personal attack.

Anyways, to continue with your drivel... [ QUOTE ]
bass-ackwards <hr /></blockquote> Aren't you so clever.

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Let's see. I point out that it is misleading to say "his (Cosby's) people" won't listen because there is diversity of values, opinion, and behavior in the black community. You disagree, illogically pointing out that there is diversity of values, opinions, and behavior in the black community??? <hr /></blockquote> Clarify yourself with a quotation from my post so we can all see what you are talking about.

Here is where your comprehension goes right down the tubes... [ QUOTE ]
You then incorrectly (and rather amazingly) state that Cosby is really only talking to ghetto blacks <font color="red"> I might throw you a bone and say it was a typing mistake to use the word "to" instead of "about". However, no bone, surely you are smart enough to have figured that out. It appears once again, I gave you too much credit. </font color> , even though Cosby is addressing the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition and Citizenship Education Fund's in Chicago (that is, a group that was formed to provide leadership and assistance to the black community).
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> The couple instances that you list (and I don't doubt there are other less well-off people you have talked with) really are not the people Cosby is talking to <font color="red"> This is the instance of the word "to" to which I referred in my above note, it should have been "about". I only point this out since I have already given you much too much credit already, and felt the need to try and totally clarify my post. </font color> . <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Ross' post to which I commented on:</font><hr> Based on my conversations with "his people" (I assume you mean blacks) at the pool hall and at work I think more of them agree with Cosby than you may be giving credit to. One black guy I play pool with is a middle-class fireman, another is a computer specialist for Cisco Systems, and my next door colleague at work is a black PhD statistician. <hr /></blockquote> <hr /></blockquote> <hr /></blockquote> Now in your post in which I replied to, you mention "his people" are the "blacks" at least this is the assumption you make. You then for whatever reason, decided to give instances of "black" people who have commented in agreement with Cosby. You even state that you feel there are more blacks that agree with Cosby than CD gave credit and you add to your defense a few blacks who have done well for themselves. Am I correct in the description of your post? Now, <font color="blue"> my reply was meant to agree with you to the point that I do feel CD might not be giving enough credit, </font color> <font color="red"> (I felt the need to reiterate this since it is the underlying reason of my post, and you so vehemently ignored it. You even questioned my intelligence. HA, I was agreeing with you which would lead one to believe you don't even believe half the stuff you) </font color>, however the sample you provided is as watered-down and biased as you could have made it. Do you honestly think your PHd neighbor would have disagreed with Cosby? C'mon give the readers a little more credit than that. That is what I was pointing out in the mention of the women interviews on rape. The only reason why I posted that was because the media tends to grab interviews with people who are more sentimental to the story they are looking to write. Does this not make any sense to you?

I find it insulting a bit that you could miss the point by so far that it almost seems idiotic <font color="red"> I feel the need to clarify that this was not an attack rather a perception. </font color> . I mean, did your blood pressure swell up the second you saw a hint of my disagreement and at that point did all comprehension flow out of your body with next big breath?

My mention of going into the ghetto was to get you to at least add in something different to your already incredibly biased sample. Go get some people from the areas that are highly saturated with the people Cosby is referring to. At that point ask them how they feel about what Cosby is saying. This will give much more credibility to your position than just giving references of people who do not represent the people in question. Cosby is referring to black people when he mentions "my people" however his speech is not about "black" people, rather those blacks who are not doing anything for themselves. He mentions those blacks who speak in ebonics, etc. These people are not representative of the entire "black" population. This is why I felt the sample you provided was biased. Go into the areas where it will be easiest to find the "black" people Cosby is so angry with. I chose the ghetto since you probably will not find too many of them in your neighborhood with PHd's.

eg8r &lt;~~~getting to the point that I wish Ross would just think for a second before replying

Wally_in_Cincy
07-17-2004, 06:37 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Ross:</font><hr> Eg8r, you do continue to astound - the logic of your post is so bass-ackwards and your reasoning is so bizarre I really don't know what to say.

Let's see. I point out that it is misleading to say "his (Cosby's) people" won't listen because there is diversity of values, opinion, and behavior in the black community. You disagree, illogically pointing out that there is diversity of values, opinions, and behavior in the black community??? You then incorrectly (and rather amazingly) state that Cosby is really only talking to ghetto blacks, even though Cosby is addressing the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition and Citizenship Education Fund's in Chicago (that is, a group that was formed to provide leadership and assistance to the black community).

So, in your bizarro world Cosby's "people" consists of ghetto residents. Whose "people" are the rest of the US black population? It reminds me of the racist who when faced with a hard working, articulate, educated black say "well he isn't acting black!"

But I guess you do have your proof though Eg8r -- after all newspapers only quote women at rape trials??? /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Eg8r, have you heard the old United Negro College Fund saying "A mind is a terrible thing to waste." Just wondering...

Ross ~ really, really does have to quit responding to Eg8r's posts.

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I have no idea what you just said but on another tangent all I know is I would have loved to have seen the look on Jesse Jackson's face when Coz started going off /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Wally &lt;~~ been meaning to read "Shakedown" by Kenneth Timmerman, the story of the real Jesse Jackson.

catscradle
07-20-2004, 01:12 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Ross:</font><hr> ...

Now it is just up to the black leadership to catch up with the black middle class. Hopefully Cosby will be the catalyst to help that happen. <hr /></blockquote>

Can the "black leadership" (whatever that means) hope to keep up with the recording and movie industry which, in order to sell records and movies, is always glorifying the very behaviour Cos attacked. Don't get me wrong I think he did the right thing, but it may not amount to any more than a pee hole in the snow. Black conservatives (and whites who had sufficient credibility in the black community) have been saying this for a very long time, but it will take an awful lot to overcome the momentum that has been generated by the sins of the past.
I might also add that Cos addressed the black portion of this problem, but it is not a black problem it is a poverty problem and incompasses many whites as well. People who are stuck in that cycle and are either too lazy or too beat down to break out of it.
I'm no socialologists (sp?), but I don't think you need to be to see the problem. Furthermore, I only see the problem worsening as the country moves in the direction it is now going. I believe there are going to be a lot fewer good paying jobs and a lot more people living day to day.
But what do I know? Not much probably.