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Spencer
07-29-2004, 11:55 AM
I have been shooting with a wrapless Schon for the last couple years and recently switched to a South West. I really like the South West, but I have noticed that I grip the cue tighter because the irish linen slides in my hand compared to my wrapless cue which I could grip lightly with two fingers and my thumb.

I could spend time and adapt, but I really like the lighter grip and having a surface that allows me to grip lightly without sliding. I was wondering if anyone has experience with the different wraps like leather, pigskin, and even lizard wraps or imitation lizard? If anyone else likes wrapless cues and has played with the different types of wraps, what type of wrap would you recommend?

Finally, can you give me a list of people I can trust to do an excellent job and still have a fairly short turn around time? I wish I could post a picture of the cue, since I am thinking that maybe the best thing would be to have someone dye a lizard skin wrap to match the wood colors, similiar to what I have seen Mottey and some others do. Sorry for the long post and thanks in advance for any feedback.

Spencer

Chris Cass
07-29-2004, 12:31 PM
Hi Spenc,

First I'd like to say that there's Lizard wraps that are already come that way. There's many colors and I've seen some nice ones at the VF Expo (Allan Hopkins). They did it right on the spot with a cost of $100. That's cheap! Anyway, it was the install is what I meant, not the dyd thing. They had many colors and sold the actual wraps colored at one booth for $20. not bad aaa?

Your right about the grip thing too. I think the Lizard would be a bit cooler to the touch but the grip would still be what your used to. I know what that means bro.

For the life of me I can't remember the name of the booth that did this on the spot install. I will say they did a fantastic job and vertually seemless. Fred Agnir from IP and our CCB member might help out with a list of the booths or maybe remember who was there.

I like the Lizard for it's character and it's coolness. I recommend it for you. You have to remember that when worn they both look terrible too. It should last you awhile though. I'd look into Capone cues for the install if you find the material. JMHO

Regards,

C.C.

Barbara
07-29-2004, 06:16 PM
Booths at the Expo - Tiger? Ted Harris? Bludworth?

Barbara

tateuts
07-29-2004, 10:25 PM
The closest thing to wrapless is smooth leather, which you should be able to get done for $100. Pigskin leather is also great but is dull not slick - about the same price. I don't like embossed leathers because you can feel the lines in your fingers. Real lizard is good, kind of grainy but expensive, about $250 - and you need a specialist - I like Josey.

If you want a standard leather wrap with fast turnaround by mail, either Proficient Billards or Tiger Products are very fast and do a nice job. Any name brand custom cuemaker in your area should be able to do it for you too.

Chris

Chris Cass
07-30-2004, 07:29 AM
Thanks Barbara,

There were many more than just those guys. I know you know that already. LOL These guys were located one isle away from the booth that sold the exotic woods for handles. They also sold some skins but the booth I was speaking of just escapes me. They had three people there and a lathe setup. I should of grabbed a card. Anyway, do you happen to know the floor plans with booths?

Regards,

C.C.

Barbara
07-30-2004, 08:30 AM
Sorry CC, I don't remember the floor plans, but I do remember that Tiger was doing its thing with wraps and their booth was against the far wall and one aisle away from that exotic woods booth.

Barbara

Chris Cass
07-30-2004, 08:47 AM
Ahhh,

That might be it. Thanks Barbara, You hit the right spot.

Regards,

C.C.

justbrake
07-30-2004, 09:07 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote tateuts:</font><hr> The closest thing to wrapless is smooth leather, which you should be able to get done for $100. Pigskin leather is also great but is dull not slick - about the same price. I don't like embossed leathers because you can feel the lines in your fingers. Real lizard is good, kind of grainy but expensive, about $250 - and you need a specialist - I like Josey.

If you want a standard leather wrap with fast turnaround by mail, either Proficient Billards or Tiger Products are very fast and do a nice job. Any name brand custom cuemaker in your area should be able to do it for you too.

Chris <hr /></blockquote>

I was looking into proficiants sight and they only show 2 black and 1 brown leather wraps they use,I haven't asked yet but has anyone sent any self bought leather to any cue repairs shop to get it installed, will they do it, I looked at capone cues and $200.00 is alot for a wrap!and I still didn't like his colors and he has a lot of them.

Chris Cass
07-30-2004, 09:10 AM
That's irrelevent. I'm sure Mike can get other colors and the $200. is actually good. Many charge $250. Like I said, at the VF Expo, there was a booth that was charging $100. on the spot and did a fantastic job. I haven't confirmed it yet but Tiger seems to be the one.

Regards,

C.C.

justbrake
07-30-2004, 09:42 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Chris Cass:</font><hr> That's irrelevent. I'm sure Mike can get other colors and the $200. is actually good. Many charge $250. Like I said, at the VF Expo, there was a booth that was charging $100. on the spot and did a fantastic job. I haven't confirmed it yet but Tiger seems to be the one

Regards,

C.C. <hr /></blockquote>
The price would be irrevelent if they all charged the same$200,250, but proficiant charges only $100 and thats half the price and I haven't heard anything bad about there work and a lot of cue sellers reccomend refinishing by proficiant.

justbrake
07-30-2004, 03:51 PM
tedharris $100

Chris Cass
07-30-2004, 03:57 PM
Yes, the price is a major swing. That is important. However, the turnaround time is a major factor too. I'm not downgrading Proficient but rather giving you some options. I don't know much about Proficient but I do know about Capone.

You know, the two things that really matter about putting on wraps is, the grade of the material and the seem is totally hidden. Even if the grade is high if the seem shows too much, I might just rip it off on the spot. LOL I too haven't, seen the job Proficient does on leather wraps. I do like the refinishing work they do. I also like the pics they put out. The seem work is everything when it comes to leather, lizard or anything.

Regards,

C.C.~~just trying to be helpfull. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Spencer
07-30-2004, 05:23 PM
Thank you for all the replies. I have sent out emails to most of the cue makers or companies that were recommended to see what they can do with a matching lizard skin or possibly leather wrap. I appreciate everyones input and feedback on the leather wraps and I will let you know what I decide to do.
Thanks,
Spencer

BLACKHEART
07-30-2004, 09:00 PM
/ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif"to see what they can do with a matching lizard skin" Are you talking about supplying YOUR OWN lizard skin? Remember that the area under the string wrap, has to be cut down to "about" .020 deeper than the rest of the Q, so that when the wrap is put on, the Q &amp; handle are at the same level...JER

Chris Cass
07-31-2004, 12:00 AM
Hi JER,

The cut depends on the size of the material doesn't it? I've also heard of them building up the handle to go back to the linen in some cases. I'm not talking the nut jobs that use tape or other strange ways.

Regards,

C.C.

BLACKHEART
07-31-2004, 07:54 AM
/ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gifThat's why I said "ABOUT".020. My point to him was that the skin has to be uniform in thickness, so that if he were thinking of providing his own skin, to take that into consideration...JER

justbrake
08-01-2004, 11:23 AM
is it the same as putting on a leather wrap as a python wrap!or lizzard wrap

justbrake
08-03-2004, 04:59 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Chris Cass:</font><hr> Hi Spenc,

First I'd like to say that there's Lizard wraps that are already come that way. There's many colors and I've seen some nice ones at the VF Expo (Allan Hopkins). They did it right on the spot with a cost of $100. That's cheap! Anyway, it was the install is what I meant, not the dyd thing. They had many colors and sold the actual wraps colored at one booth for $20. not bad aaa?

Your right about the grip thing too. I think the Lizard would be a bit cooler to the touch but the grip would still be what your used to. I know what that means bro.

For the life of me I can't remember the name of the booth that did this on the spot install. I will say they did a fantastic job and vertually seemless. Fred Agnir from IP and our CCB member might help out with a list of the booths or maybe remember who was there.

I like the Lizard for it's character and it's coolness. I recommend it for you. You have to remember that when worn they both look terrible too. It should last you awhile though. I'd look into Capone cues for the install if you find the material. JMHO

Regards,

C.C. <hr /></blockquote>
Hi-Chris I talked to proficiant about refinishing my cue and if I could supply my own wraps and they said it was OK but if they had a problem with it (installing it and made a mistake I would have to supply another wrap) so I bought 4 wraps 2 black baby aligator and 2 burgandy ostrich from=
http://www.cuesmith.com/

getting my cue refinished at the same time,I was a little supprise that they would let me supply my own but it wasn't a problem,I'll let you know how the job comes out.

Leon
08-03-2004, 05:21 PM
Please let us know Chris, I am in the same boat - I have a Black Boar which I am looking at getting refinished and a smooth leather wrap inserted from Proficient as well.

I will wait and see how yours turns out before I send the cue.

Cheers

justbrake
08-03-2004, 05:26 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Leon:</font><hr> Please let us know Chris, I am in the same boat - I have a Black Boar which I am looking at getting refinished and a smooth leather wrap inserted from Proficient as well.

I will wait and see how yours turns out before I send the cue.

Cheers

<hr /></blockquote>

they have (textured black, smooth black, and textured brown
you won't have to supply your own!it's because I wanted something different that I had asked.

KGeeED
08-03-2004, 10:46 PM
Try the stacked leather wrap. I have cues with lizard, leather and the stacked leather. The stacked leather comes pretty close to no wrap. I use a real light grip and do not notice much slippage. I don't hit the balls very hard so that may also be a factor. I am not sure but I think that the stacked leather is the same thickness as the linen.

Chris Cass
08-03-2004, 11:33 PM
Please do let me know. Also a pic would be great. I'm not surprized they would install it for you. Most of the cue refinishers will go the distance for a paying customer. I think that's great. I probably shouldn't say most. Just those able and willing to do things for a good customer. I bet they get it right on the first try. They do have to cover themselves, so I think it was good of them to stipulate that they're just not going to slap it on there without getting it perfect. Great place that Proficience.(sp?)

Regards,

C.C.