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Wally_in_Cincy
07-29-2004, 01:12 PM
http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc81.htm

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU JULY 29, 2004 09:02:34 ET XXXXX

KERRY FILM DIRECTOR: THE BULLETS IN THE WATER WERE NOT FROM THE ACTUAL EVENT

The official convention video introducing John Kerry tonight, directed by Steven Spielberg protégé James Moll, incorporates homemade film footage shot by Kerry in Vietnam.

“I would have used archival footage,” Moll tells the NEW YORK OBSERVER's Joe Hagan, “but it was a pleasant surprise that he had taken his own footage while in Vietnam.”

"When Army Green Beret Jim Rassman is talking about how John Kerry saved his life,” he said, “I’m using some of that footage. It shows the swift boat and various shots of the swift boat, and some firing like you see in the water. Bullets in the water.”

Entering controversy, director Moll explains how the bullets in the water were not from the actual event.

“It’s just illustrative.”

Moll mixes in the homemade Kerry film with stirring strings and a french horn soundtrack.

Moll is said to manipulate the speed of some of the film.

One moving scene shows Kerry in slow motion, in full gear, walking with his gun through the paddies.

Kerry's homemade films are at the center of a growing controversy in Boston.

A new bombshell book written by the man who took over John Kerry's Swift Boat charges: Kerry reenacted combat scenes for film while in Vietnam! "Kerry carried a home movie camera to record his exploits for later viewing," charges a naval officer in the upcoming book UNFIT FOR COMMAND.

"Kerry would revisit ambush locations for reenacting combat scenes where he would portray the hero, catching it all on film. Kerry would take movies of himself walking around in combat gear, sometimes dressed as an infantryman walking resolutely through the terrain. He even filmed mock interviews of himself narrating his exploits. A joke circulated among Swiftees was that Kerry left Vietnam early not because he received three Purple Hearts, but because he had recorded enough film of himself to take home for his planned political campaigns."

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<font color="blue">He should have gotten M. Moore to produce his PT-109 remake /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif </font color>

highsea
07-29-2004, 01:28 PM
Fake bullets in the water. Why doesn't this surprise me.

Something tells me they will not show any of his post-war antics though...Maybe the GOP can make a Kerry film that shows the other side.

Wally_in_Cincy
07-30-2004, 06:13 AM
The bullets looked real. I wonder if any of the major news outfits reported the fact that the video was doctored. I was watching C-span so I did not have to listen to the blather of the blow-dried yakkers.

On a lighter note, one of Kerry's daughters (can't remember whether it was Secretariat or Seabiscuit), in a surreal moment, reported that dear ole Dad gave CPR to her hamster after an unfortunate near-drowning.

I do like the slogan they unveiled last night, reportedly authored by some of the more rabid feminist delegates:

<font color="blue">[b][i]Lick Bush in 2004[b][i] </font color>

eg8r
07-30-2004, 06:43 AM
[ QUOTE ]
On a lighter note, one of Kerry's daughters (can't remember whether it was Secretariat or Seabiscuit), in a surreal moment, reported that dear ole Dad gave CPR to her hamster after an unfortunate near-drowning.
<hr /></blockquote> Well, I don't know about you, but this little story gives Kerry a step up on Ted Kennedy as far as I am concerned. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

Wally_in_Cincy
07-30-2004, 07:06 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> <hr /></blockquote> Well, I don't know about you, but this little story gives Kerry a step up on Ted Kennedy as far as I am concerned. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r <hr /></blockquote>

LOL

[ QUOTE ]
Coming soon on CBS, "Survivor-Outback" followed by "Survivor-Ted Kennedy's Car" <hr /></blockquote>

Wally_in_Cincy
07-30-2004, 08:08 AM
If you want to see a whole bunch of companies heading overseas just wait until Kerry signs the law that says they have to pay for health insurance for all employees.

Barbara
07-30-2004, 08:12 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> If you want to see a whole bunch of companies heading overseas just wait until Kerry signs the law that says they have to pay for health insurance for all employees. <hr /></blockquote>

Yep!! All I kept thinking last night during his speech was Communism.

He also didn't salute correctly.

Barbara

nAz
07-30-2004, 08:18 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> If you want to see a whole bunch of companies heading overseas just wait until Kerry signs the law that says they have to pay for health insurance for all employees. <hr /></blockquote>

As opposed to what they are doing now, shipping jobs over seas?

Don't worry my friends HELP IS ON THE WAY! /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Barbara
07-30-2004, 08:57 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> On a lighter note, one of Kerry's daughters (can't remember whether it was Secretariat or Seabiscuit), in a surreal moment, reported that dear ole Dad gave CPR to her hamster after an unfortunate near-drowning.
<hr /></blockquote>

Hey!! Secretariat was one fine-looking horse!! That's an insult!

Check out www.swiftvets.com. (http://www.swiftvets.com.) Very interesting site.

Barbara

Wally_in_Cincy
07-30-2004, 09:44 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Barbara:</font><hr> Check out www.swiftvets.com. (http://www.swiftvets.com.) Very interesting site.

Barbara <hr /></blockquote>

Interesting? Yes. Surprising? No. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

thanks Barbara.

nAz
07-30-2004, 10:00 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Barbara:</font><hr> Check out www.swiftvets.com. (http://www.swiftvets.com.) Very interesting site.

Barbara <hr /></blockquote>

Interesting? Yes. Surprising? No. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

thanks Barbara. <hr /></blockquote>

To quote Public Enemy " Don't Believe tyhe Hype!" /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif
their full of sh!t, thats why you don not even hear Fox news talk about them...

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth

Commentary

* On May 17, 2004, Matt Gunn shares a segment from Joe Conason's recent registration-required Salon "uncovering" of "yet more 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth' Republican ties, as if there weren't enough on record already" [Gunn comments]:

"When the 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth' launched its campaign against John Kerry 10 days ago, leadership and guidance were provided by Republican activists and presidential friends from Texas -- notably Houston attorney John E. O'Neill and corporate media consultant Merrie Spaeth.

"On closer inspection, the ostensibly nonpartisan 'Swift Boat Vets' seem to have another pair of significant sponsors with deep and long-standing Republican connections in Missouri. Both are officers of Gannon International, a St. Louis conglomerate that does lots of overseas business in, of all places, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.

"Ties to Gannon can be traced via the Swift Boat Vets Web site ... On April 14, the site was registered under the name of Lewis Waterman, Gannon's information technology manager, at 11301 Olive Boulevard in St. Louis, the firm's headquarters address. Although Waterman wouldn't discuss why he had set up the Web site, he didn't deny that his boss, Gannon president and CEO William Franke, had asked him to do so.

"'The information about my client is confidential,' said Waterman. He acknowledged knowing, however, that his boss Franke is a Navy veteran who served in Vietnam on swift boats. Gannon vice president Stephen D. Hayes, who oversees the company's office in Alexandria, Va., is likewise a swift boat veteran who first met Franke when they served together in the Mekong Delta."

"What is most intriguing about Franke, Hayes, and Gannon -- especially in light of their apparent role in the campaign against John Kerry -- are their strong commercial interests in Southeast Asia. While Gannon is a highly diversified holding company whose divisions range from real estate in Florida and Missouri to Internet technology and software, it maintains an unusual presence in Vietnam, with offices in both Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City. Indeed, Gannon has operated in that country's tourism, real estate and import-export sectors for a decade. (The target market for its tours was fellow Vietnam veterans.)

"None of Gannon's profitable activities in the communist republic would be possible, of course, without the approval of the Hanoi government, which Franke has described as 'strong' and 'stable.' Nor would Gannon be conducting business in Vietnam without the Clinton administration diplomacy, assisted by Sen. Kerry, that established diplomatic and trade ties with the United States in 1994. Franke first began traveling to Vietnam on behalf of Operation Smile, an American charity that provides plastic surgery to children abroad. The relationships he established during those humanitarian missions provided a considerable advantage in doing business under government auspices.

"It was also during those early visits to Vietnam, as he told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, that Franke reached a clearer understanding of the war he had once fought as a young Navy lieutenant.

"'As I looked back 20 years, I saw that it was a very imperial relationship we had with these people,' said Franke in 1989. 'We were young. We were there because we were told to be there and that they were the enemy. This time I saw them as human beings who had fears and hopes the same as we.'

"Yet he evidently cannot forgive John Kerry for reaching the same conclusion about that war and its victims, so many years before he finally did."

* Joe Klein, "The Long War of John Kerry," The New Yorker, January 5, 2004 (Courtesy of Matt Gunn and Mike Stark):

"Nixon's chief counsel, Charles Colson, didn't just tap John E. O'Neill to attack Kerry, he also formed an entire group around him called Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace: [1]

"[Kerry] was an immediate celebrity. He was also an immediate target of the Nixon administration. Years later, Chuck Colson--who was Nixon's political enforcer--told me, 'He was a thorn in our flesh. He was very articulate, a credible leader of the opposition. He forced us to create a counterfoil. We found a vet named John O'Neill and formed a group called Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace. We had O'Neill meet the President, and we did everything we could do to boost his group."

"'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth' can be seen as merely a 21st century reinvention of Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace."

* Joe Conason writes on May 4, 2004, in Salon that the "latest conservative outfit to fire an angry broadside against John Kerry's heroic war record is 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth', which today launches a campaign to brand the Democrat 'unfit to serve as commander in chief.' Billing itself as representing the 'other 97 percent of veterans' from Kerry's Navy unit who don't support his presidential candidacy, the group insists that all presidential candidates must be 'totally honest and forthcoming' about their military service.

"These 'swift boat vets' claim still to be furious about Kerry's 1971 Senate testimony against the war in which he spoke about atrocities in Indochina's 'free fire zones.' More than three decades later," Conason writes, "facing the complicated truth about Vietnam remains difficult. But this group's political connections make clear that its agenda is to target" U.S. presidential election, 2004."

"Conason identifies "veteran corporate media consultant and Texas Republican activist Merrie Spaeth" as being behind the group. Spaeth, "listed as the group's media contact," is the widow of Tex Lezar, "eternal Kerry antagonist and Dallas attorney" John E. O'Neill's law partner.

The group's founder is "retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffman, a cigar-chomping former Vietnam commander once described as 'the classic body-count guy' who 'wanted hooches destroyed and people killed.'" Hoffmann "first gained notoriety in Vietnam as a strutting, cigar-chewing Navy captain. But it was O'Neill, by now a familiar figure on the Kerry-bashing circuit, who came to Spaeth for assistance," according to Conason.

"Until now," he adds, "Hoffmann has been best known as the commanding officer whose obsession with body counts and 'scorekeeping' may have provoked the February 1969 massacre of Vietnamese civilians at Thanh Phong by a unit led by Bob Kerrey -- the Medal of Honor winner who lost a leg in Nam, became a U.S. senator from Nebraska and now sits on the 9-11 Commission."

Conason says that Spaeth is not "as well known as" Karen P. Hughes but yet is "among the most experienced and best connected Republican communications executives. During the Reagan administration she served as director of the White House Office of Media Liaison, where she specialized in promoting "news" items that boosted President Reagan to TV stations around the country. While living in Washington she met and married Lezar, a Reagan Justice Department lawyer who ran for lieutenant governor of Texas in 1994 with George W. Bush, then the party's candidate for governor. (Lezar lost; Bush won.)"

Conason concludes that "Arguments about the war in Vietnam seem destined to continue forever. For now, however, the lingering bitterness and ambiguity of those days provide smear material against an antiwar war hero with five medals on behalf of a privileged Guardsman with a dubious duty record. The president's Texas allies -- whose animus against his Democratic challenger dates back to the Nixon era -- are now deploying the same techniques and personnel they used to attack McCain's integrity four years ago. Bush's 'independent' supporters would apparently rather talk about the Vietnam quagmire than about his deadly incompetence in Iraq."

* Hoffmania blogspot provides the following excerpt from the May 4, 2004, NewsMax article "Swift Boat Veterans Condemn Kerry As Unfit To Command". His comment follows the quote.

"O'Neill told NewsMax.com that the medals and their back stories were not the real issue being targeted by the organization, referring to the second paragraph of the letter to Kerry:

"It is our collective judgment that, upon your return from Vietnam, you grossly and knowingly distorted the conduct of the American soldiers, Marines, sailors and airmen of that war (including a betrayal of many of us, without regard for the danger your actions caused us.) Further, we believe that you have withheld and/or distorted material facts as to your own conduct in this war."

"But it is with regard to the latter sentence of the charge that John E. O'Neill and others get vague.

"When asked by NewsMax if they had in mind any potential smoking gun of distortion that might be revealed by an unfettered examination of Kerry's military records, there was no answer forthcoming."

* Bob Somerby, "Kerry’s accuser remembered it wrong. But so what?," The Daily Howler, May 5, 2004.

* Matt Gunn, "Swift Boat Veterans for a Big Lie" and "Swift Boat Followup," mattgunn.com, May 5 and May 6, 2004.

Wally_in_Cincy
07-30-2004, 10:08 AM
Kerry is still a pompous flip-flopping ass-clown.

IMO

Cueless Joey
07-30-2004, 10:12 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> Kerry is still a pompous flip-flopping ass-clown.

IMO <hr /></blockquote>
Wally, tell us how you really think. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

nAz
07-30-2004, 10:17 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> Kerry is still a pompous flip-flopping ass-clown.

IMO <hr /></blockquote>

damn it must have been a great speech last night to get you all riled up like this. lol

Wally_in_Cincy
07-30-2004, 10:30 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote nAz:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> Kerry is still a pompous flip-flopping ass-clown.

IMO <hr /></blockquote>

damn it must have been a great speech last night to get you all riled up like this. lol <hr /></blockquote>

I was hollering at the tv thru the whole thing.

[ QUOTE ]
My administration will go to war if we need to, not because we want to. <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue">YOU VOTED FOR THE WAR YOU DUMASS !!!!!!!!!!!! </font color>

/ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Wally_in_Cincy
07-30-2004, 11:02 AM
I suppose these guys are liars too?

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/

nAz
07-30-2004, 11:10 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> I suppose these guys are liars too?

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/ <hr /></blockquote>

maybe they just miss informed /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

hey Wally HELP IS ON THE WAY!!
http://wwwi.reuters.com/images/2004-07-30T070818Z_01_ZWE859188_RTRUKOP_1_PICTURE0.jpg

Wally_in_Cincy
07-30-2004, 11:41 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote nAz:</font><hr> HELP IS ON THE WAY!!


http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Images/Thumbnails/09_21cvr.jpg <hr /></blockquote>

Man O' War to the rescue /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

LMAO

Qtec
07-30-2004, 11:45 AM
On the campaign trail, Sen. John Forbes Kerry regularly mentions his Vietnam War combat experience, during which he received three Purple Hearts, the Silver Star and Bronze Star.

However, the Massachusetts Democrat doesn't like to talk much about how he received the awards or the time after he returned home when he was rubbing shoulders with Hanoi Jane Fonda as a much-celebrated organizer for Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), one of America's most radical pro-communist groups

HaHaHa LOL

Jane Fonda , the big threat. LOL. Its difficult to take the guy seriously after that statement.

Here,s one for you. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif



"This is the time of desperation and anxiety. This is the time of hysterical Orange Alerts and imminent al Qaeda attacks coming from outta nowhere at any minute and violating our children and kicking our puppies and badly denting our Honda Accords. And, yes, this is the time of election-year political tactics coming from the increasingly anxious Right that will make Sun Tzu's "Art of War" look like a cupcake cookbook.

Do you feel it? Can you smell it in the air? The sensation that the Republican Party, though various tentacles, will stop at absolutely nothing to maintain power in the White House? It's true. It's the feeling that, during the next few months, it's all about to get very shrill, and very surreal, indeed.

How about another "imminent" terrorist threat? Pretty much a given, really. Followed, of course, by another. And then another. And then another and another until every other day the newscast features a thick-necked, panicky Tom Ridge saying yes, oh my God yes, we now have definitive proof that terrorists are more or less sort of maybe planning to strike the U.S. maybe very soon and disrupt our shopping and screw with our TV reception and blot out the sun. We just don't know, you know, where, or when, or how, or what the hell to do about it. P.S.: Vote Republican.

Look, times have changed. Of course politics has always been a truly ugly business, and each party's strategy to gain or regain power as election time rolls around has always become increasingly low down and nasty and mudslinging and soul cringing and borderline illegal.

But this time it all feels, somehow, different. Uglier. More sadistic.

There is a sense of lawlessness, of desperation, among the Republican Party right now. It is no longer a question of simply which party will run the show or which platform will have the most influence on policy. Rather, it's about a radically polarized worldview: Are we going to be an aggressive macho globally disrespected isolationist nation that has burned all bridges and molested all foreign relationships and mocked all global sympathy, or are we, as the GOP wants you to believe, going to become some liberal namby-pamby country where gays can marry each other and sexually deviant women can have abortions every day and everybody speaks French?

Because there is no middle ground. This is the GOP message. You are either with us, or you are a terrorist. You are either on the side of the "patriotic," pro-war party of WMD lies and homophobia and violence toward the global community, or you're a liberal hippie 'Nam protester like that jerknose Kerry"

/ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Q[ could it be true? /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif]

Wally_in_Cincy
07-30-2004, 12:21 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr>
HaHaHa LOL

Jane Fonda , the big threat. LOL. Its difficult to take the guy seriously after that statement.
<hr /></blockquote>

dude, "hanoi jane" fonda lent aid and comfort to the enemy in 1968. are you even aware of what she did?

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/fonda_pic.jpg

they took her to see prisoners in hanoi. some of the prisoners slipped her notes hoping she would inform their families that they were alive. she gave the notes to the guards.

she sickens me still.

highsea
07-30-2004, 02:20 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> On the campaign trail, Sen. John Forbes Kerry regularly mentions his Vietnam War combat experience, during which he received three Purple Hearts, the Silver Star and Bronze Star.

However, the Massachusetts Democrat doesn't like to talk much about how he received the awards or the time after he returned home when he was rubbing shoulders with Hanoi Jane Fonda as a much-celebrated organizer for Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), one of America's most radical pro-communist groups <hr /></blockquote>He speaks the truth. [ QUOTE ]
JOHN KERRY told us more last night about his childhood memories of bike riding in Berlin than he did about his nearly three decades in public office.

"I ask you to judge me by my record," he implored, but then said virtually nothing about it. There was a single throwaway line about his time as a prosecutor. Nothing at all about being elected lieutenant governor. And just three sentences about his 20 years in the US Senate. Twenty years! A third of his life! Yet neither in his speech nor in the video that preceded it did Kerry say anything about what those two decades have meant to him or what lessons they may have taught him or how he thinks they have prepared him for national leadership.

"Judge me by my record," he says. But all night long -- all week long -- there is only one part of Kerry's long record that the Democrats have wanted Americans to notice: the part that ended 35 years ago when he came home from Vietnam. Why are they so reticent about everything he's done since? <hr /></blockquote>
Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/07/30/buzzwords_and_cheap_shots/)

Cueless Joey
07-30-2004, 02:51 PM
If I hear the word STRONG again in their speeches, I'm gonna puke.
Strong economy, strong family, strong America, blah blah blah.
My mother watched the whole thing. I catched the tailend. What bothers me is they are milking for votes from the poor. More welfare, free health coverage, better schools, etc.
Come on. How about no more freakin' welfare? How about promoting responsibility? How about quitting the freakin' victim mentality?
If America has to be strong, the people have to be strong.
Not a country of free-loaders.
Kerry's probably a great president candidate but quit milking the victim mentality already.
Who's idea was that to put Al Sharpton up there?
Al would not want to hear my family's success in this country as immigrants. He'd probably think it's impossible to make it in this country with an olive skin.
I'm just ranting. Ignore me. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

highsea
07-30-2004, 03:25 PM
I know what you mean, Joey. It seems like they are pandering to the poor, minorities, convicted criminals, etc. with promises of better opportunities, and then when they get into office, they implement policies that only serve to create another generation of these same people, with the same problems. Remember how much they fought welfare-to-work?

We do have huge problems in this country, with high rates of homeless people, higher unemployment than it should be, poor health coverage, and high crime rates in many cities.

I wish I had the answers, I don't. But I do believe that promoting personal responsibility and overcoming the victim mentality would be a good place to start. I don't see the Democrats, especially the Sharpton/Jesse Jackson crowd really doing anything to help. Of course they are not exactly underpriveleged themselves...

Kerry seems to be basing his entire campaign on his 4 months in Vietnam 35 years ago. When Clinton the draft dodger was running against Bush Sr. and Dole (both highly decorated vets), Vietnam was "irrelevant". Sheesh, I wish they would make up their mind...

Qtec
07-31-2004, 09:13 AM
"When Clinton the draft dodger ".

12 days before GW was eligable for the the draft, he applied to join the Texas NG. He jumped over 100,000 people on the waiting list who also wanted to join the TNG.
Now, if you want to be a pilot in the US Airforce you have to be scoring in the high 90,s to even be considered for a place. GW scored 25/100!!!!!......and he still got in! Then he didnt even bother to turn up for duty.

The fact is, GW had his chance to show how much of a patriot he is and he pulled as many strings as it took to avoid going to Vietnam.

He,s a phoney.

Q

highsea
07-31-2004, 02:25 PM
I think you missed my point, Q. It's about being consistent. Why is it that when Clinton was running, Vietnam was irrelevant, but today it's such a big issue? The fact is, it's not. The big issue is the war we are fighting right now. Without most of our fair weather European "friends", as you are well aware.

Everyone knows what Kerry did when he got back from Vietnam. The dems seem to think that if they shout "hero" long enough and loud enough, it will come true. Americans are not quite that shallow, though you probably don't believe that.

Kerry doesn't dare talk about his Senate record. It's political poison, and the Dems know that.

We'll see how it goes.

-CM

Fair_Play
08-01-2004, 01:49 PM
So, it is Fair Play for the dems to have a "Spielberg" "Morer" extravaganza, to hire JFK's (the real one) speechwriter, AND have him coach wooden faced Kerry - money talks - ? But it is NOT Fair Play for the Swift Boat Vets to have anything like professional advice for their side of the story?? Forgive me, but I have to run, I have spent the last 30 years trying to find out which Veterans Medals John K. threw away... they must have been 'taken out' somehow - and Just what does little Johnny have to hide by not releasing his (three month in a combat zone) records?? Hey, Fair Play is Fair Play..
All the best!

Except in the obvious case of Senator JFK, military members are on average a conservative lot.

Wally_in_Cincy
08-02-2004, 06:52 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Cueless Joey:</font><hr> If I hear the word STRONG again in their speeches, I'm gonna puke.
Strong economy, strong family, strong America, blah blah blah....... <hr /></blockquote>

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Thomas Sowell:</font><hr> ...Over the years Senator Kerry has voted again and again to cut spending on the military and on the intelligence services. In short, his votes have weakened this country militarily. Therefore the rhetoric of the convention and the Kerry campaign uses the word "strong" or "strength" at every opportunity.

By repeating such words incessantly, the rhetoric counters the reality -- at least for those voters who cannot be bothered to find out the facts....

<hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue">Clinton proved that if you tell the lies long enough and loud enough they become the truth.

Remember "worst economy of the last 50 years"? Now when Dubya said the economy has "turned the corner", Kerry says "Yeah that's what Herbert Hoover said in 1931" /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif </font color>