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GoldenCyn
08-12-2004, 01:09 AM
I dont know if you guys go thru something similar, but i noticed that if i play over an hour, my bridge hand fingers hurt, and so do my side abs (or love-handles in my case). This only happens when i play pool. I do get pretty low on the table, and switch bridge styles quite often. Anyway to prevent this, because it becomes a distraction during local tournament play.

Chris Cass
08-12-2004, 02:05 AM
Exercise or just play. Unless your stance is messed up or you need a chiro then, it'll go away as time goes on. The bridge is one that will go after time. Your fingers need to be stretched and soon will be ok.

Regards,

C.C.

pooltchr
08-12-2004, 06:49 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote GoldenCyn:</font><hr> I do get pretty low on the table <hr /></blockquote>

How do you get low. If you get low by bending at the waist, it can be pretty tough on your back and cause you to put extra strain on some other muscles. (you mentioned your side abs)
I have found that by moving my back foot a few inches further back than I was, it allowed me to get down on the shot better without putting a lot of strain on my back.
Since my back, as well as the rest of me, is over 50, anything I can do to ease the stress seems to be a big benefit. Try adjusting your stance and see if that doesn't help. It worked for me.
Steve

Cane
08-12-2004, 11:14 AM
GoldenCyn,

Steve is right... unless you're on the second half of life in this world, you shouldn't be having pains after playing and hour or so. I can play about 6 hours before I start getting sore, but then again, I'm near 50, have had my back broken and have degenerative joint disease. If you aren't "middle aged" (I really hope I don't live to be 100, but everyone keeps calling me middle aged) or older, then playing for an hour shouldn't be a problem at all.

I'm curious also about how low you get. I can't get as low as I used to but still get pretty low for a 6'4" tall man and my sides and back don't get any more sore than they would if I didn't play for hours on end. I get low with my stance, not by bending more. As for the bridge hand finger getting sore, well, when you get as fanatic about this game as I am, you'll get over that. Billie, my significant other, woke me in the recliner a couple of weeks ago laughing. I asked what was funny and she said, "You were lying there asleep, making closed bridges on your thigh with your left hand!" That's bad, huh?!?!

Later,
Bob

GoldenCyn
08-12-2004, 12:03 PM
I figured out why my fingers hurt, because i put all my weight on it, and if i lay my arm on the table instead of having it in mid air, my wight would not be on my fingers. My sides tho, i cant explain, im 21, and i get very low on the table, but im 5f 7in. My cue is fairly low, and i get low enought to always have my chin on the cue, i do bend my knees tho.

SPetty
08-12-2004, 02:05 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote GoldenCyn:</font><hr> I figured out why my fingers hurt, because i put all my weight on it<hr /></blockquote>That's too much weight on your fingers. Although it's very important to keep your bridge hand stable, you shouldn't be putting that much weight on your bridge hand. I think a good rule of thumb is that when you are down in your shooting position, you should generally be able to lift your bridge hand off the table without standing up.

Sid_Vicious
08-12-2004, 02:09 PM
Is your feet basically square to the table, are they 45 degrees and how far apart from each other. I've watched some players go knee-knocked, bent and low on the table and thought "That'd hurt something in me if I tried that." I'm not suggesting that you are contorted like this, but notice players like Allison F. and CJ Wiley in how they stand. In my opinion you should be emulating them in a similar variety of form...sid

Rod
08-12-2004, 02:14 PM
You might try some finger exercises. Like rolling steel balls in your hand. Who knows maybe it's an early form of arthritis, lets hope not. I don't think people understand how important it is to be in reasonably good condition. Pool players are an athlete of sort and to play for hours takes some conditioning.

Another post I think said something to the effect of not bending from the waist. If not there, where? You do bend from the waist and suck in the tummy muscles at the same time. Good posture is just as important in this game as it is in others. Playing with a hunched over back is not a good way to help prevent problems down the road. Ask yourself how good or poor of condition am I in? JAT

Rod

Rod
08-12-2004, 02:26 PM
Aside from fingers, look at the leverage to you shoulder. Stress at one point creates unwanted stress at another. Of course people don't realize that until they learn the hard way. Not only that you don't want or need that stress in your upper body. There is not a place for tight or tense muscles playing this game. Hey that especially includes the brain. LOL

Rod

AndreaWilson
08-12-2004, 02:30 PM
As many of these posts mention, you should find a comfortable appropriate stance for you. Taller people may need to plant their feet further apart to reduce strain on the lower back. It is also good to move the "knee" of your back leg forward about 1" to take any strain off the tendons of the back leg. Because you are young, nobody seems to feel you may need to do some light stretching before playing. It can possibly help and will never hurt to limber yourself up. A very simple stretch to loosen up the muscles at your sides, stomach and lower back is to stand up straight with your feet shoulder width apart. Put your hands on your hips and rotate your upper body to the right as far as is comfortable and hold for 5 to 10 seconds. Repeat to the left. DO NOT lead the rotation by turning your head. Repeat this several times to each side. Next, sitting in a fairly rigid chair with your knees about shoulder width apart, lean forward onto your knees as far as you can. Let your arms dangle down just outside your knees and let your face settle between your knees. You should feel a slight stretch starting at the lower middle part of your back and stretching upward. Allow your back to curl forward and extend the stretch. Hold this for 10 seconds. Sit up and repeat 5 times. If your face can not reach your knees at first, don't panic, that will come over time. Now, standing up again with your hands on your hips, lean over to the right and hold 5 seconds. This is a slow sideways bend, not a rotation or twist in any way. Repeat to the left. Do each side 5 times. When comfortable with this increase to hold to 10 seconds.

These simple stretches should help limber up your mid-section a bit. It is not as common for discomfort in someone so young, but not unheard of.

Good Luck. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

PQQLK9
08-12-2004, 02:43 PM
Are you overweight or somewhat out of shape? (you mentioned love handles)
A good exercise program might help.

Rod
08-12-2004, 02:51 PM
[ QUOTE ]
These simple stretches should help limber up your mid-section a bit. <hr /></blockquote>

Ah yes simple, but how many do simple exercise. In most aspects of life all people want is simple. Well that is until they hear the word exercise! LOL Then what should be simple, turns into hard brutal work. LOL

Rod

Chris Cass
08-12-2004, 06:22 PM
Great call Sid,

His stance is where the problem lies. Putting weight on the bridge hand and back pain. There should be some weight but he should be well balanced. If he's got his chin on the cue and is in pain more than the norm? Then, it's definitely in the stance. There is a way to do this without having to deal with more pain than the norm. I think he might be standing too close and upright.He needs to see an instructor imho.


The bridge is all togather different. When forming my closed bridge, I had a ton of pain. It has to stretch and I did it every chance I got till it stopped. In the car on the steering wheel, in the work place on break, at one time I thought about taping into place with duct tape. lol

Barbara, went through some of what he's going through now. I think she can elaberate on this and help him to understand what's happening.

Regards,

C.C.~~fels really bad for Cane(Bob)

Barbara
08-12-2004, 06:50 PM
Yes I can Chris! And Fran Crimi rectified each situation of pain I found myself in - one time, sight unseen - but she was right on with the remedy!!

Okay, pain in your left shoulder if you're a righty is that you're putting too much pressure on your bridge arm. Either rest it on the table or set into your position and pull your weight back onto your legs. You should be able to pick your arms off the table without losing your balance. SPetty, I will show you this at the Open.

For a pain you're getting on your stroking side of your body, you're are out of alignment with your stroke! Simply point your stroke-side foot towards with your arm and where the cue ball is going and position yourself there.

Yes, it does look like Karen Corr is knock-kneed in her stance, but she's not. She is "Forward-motioned" for the shot. Same with Kim Shaw. Dawn Hopkins is now sporting this look, but Fran taught me best! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Barbara

GoldenCyn
08-12-2004, 09:36 PM
Well, i just got back from playing, and i took the advice posted here. My fingers dont hurt, and my sides "kinda" feel like i have alot of weight on them, and my feet hurt (but the feet thing is normal since i was practicing for like half the day without sitting down. I guess i just need to lose some weight, so instead of taking the car to the halls, im just gonna walk from now on, that might help a bit. Thanks guys.

stickman
08-12-2004, 10:43 PM
I have a couple of possibilities for you. If you don't play all that much, you could possibly do doing something that you don't seldom do. (like muscles you don't normally use.) It could be just a matter of conditioning. Start gradually, and increase your practice time until you are able to play as long as you want. You may experience some pain until you become conditioned.

Another possibility is arthritus. A very good non prescription pain reliever is Aleve, or the generic version, Naproxen Sodium. If the conditioning, or the non prescription pain reliever doesn't work. I would seek the advice of a doctor. Should you have arthritus, go to a specialist.

I'm 52, have arthritus, and frequently play 8 to 10 hours often. My playing partner is 64. He sometimes complains of his legs getting sore the next day, but he doesn't let it him stop.

I started having rheumatoid arthritus in my early twenties. It took me years to find the right doctor. The doctors here aren't that great. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Good luck finding the solution.