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eg8r
08-25-2004, 03:14 PM
John Kerry is just beside himself that fellow Vietnam veterans have a different view of John Kerry than John Kerry himself. Kerry is so screwed up over this SBV stuff he cannot even think. You know, if everything Kerry has said was true he would not be sweating this so much. It turns out that Kerry might have even lied about his first purple heart, his diary seems to mention he never came under enemy fire. The SBVs knew this and now his diary states it. The Kerry camp is trying to turn it around but it is there in plain english.

It seems Kerry does not mind what Moore has done and is perfectly accepting of MoveOn.org and all the smear they have tried to do and he notices that it has all rubbed right off and the Bush campaign has continued. This is steaming Kerry because this one little group of Veterans is causing much more of a stir and Kerry does not like it. He is hypocritical in calling for Bush to come out against the ads but has never said he was against the lies perpetuated by Moore. Kerry has never denounced MoveOn for the little Hitler/Bush commercial.

Well, now Kerry has sent his henchmen to Bush to deliver a letter asking Bush to come out against the SBVs. Bush was not there but sent a representative to pick up the letter. Turns out that is not good enough. Here is the article (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/25/cleland.swiftboat/index.html) . The funny part is that the Bush supporters had a letter for Kerry also. The article does not say if Cleland took the letter or not.

I am just wondering if Kerry ever read the letter before it was sent to Bush... <blockquote><font class="small">Quote letter to Bush from Kerry:</font><hr> "As you yourself have said, there is nothing complicated about supporting our troops, and the leaders of this nation should make it clear that the members of our military will not only be supported when they wear the uniform, but also when they return home to the land they fought to defend," it said. <hr /></blockquote> This is absolutely contradictory of Kerry's actions when he came back from Vietnam. He was a traitor to those men fighting in Vietnam. He called the murders, rapists, etc. He said they were all participating in atrocious acts. Is this the type of expected action coming from a guy that says, "members of our military will not only be supported when they wear the uniform, but also when they return home to the land they fought to defend"? He is a hypocrite.

Earlier this week the traitor was out calling veterans wondering why they are against him. He is to dumb to figure it out. He had the audacity to say that he was not saying those things about the SBVs but all the other men fighting. LOL, does that sound like a guy who still supports those men?

You might believe this is all a smear campaign by the Bush admin but it would behoove you to take a step back and look at all of it. Kerry went to war and got out as fast as possible (quite possibly lying about injuries). Then when he got back he lied about the men over there still fighting. He went on to a career in the Senate where he has voted against every single major military program and most of the funding. He has voted every time to reduce the intelligence community and subsequently their budget. And now, he wants to tell you he will be tough on terrorists. What do you think?

Even if all that is baloney in your eyes, don't you just question for one second what kind of man Kerry is politically when the leader of North Korea puts his full support behind Kerry. If a terrorist like Kim Jong Il is rooting for Kerry, does that not scare you? Doesn't that tell you something about how the rest of the world (at least the terrorists) views Kerry as a leader of a war on terrorism?

eg8r

nhp
08-25-2004, 08:50 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr>

This is absolutely contradictory of Kerry's actions when he came back from Vietnam. He was a traitor to those men fighting in Vietnam. He called the murders, rapists, etc. He said they were all participating in atrocious acts.

eg8r <hr /></blockquote>

I'm no Kerry-lover, but what Kerry said was true. They were raping women over there, and murdering innocent civilians, including women and children. Of course not EVERY soldier did this, but there are thousands of different accounts of things similar to that happening. Our soldier over there went crazy. Many of the VC they fought were dressed as civilians, and it absoloutely freaked out soldiers out when people whom they first thought to be civilians opened fire on them when they had their backs turned. A combinations of that, plus the always-impending threat of grotesque booby-traps, the enemy hiding in the tops of trees, underneath the ground, using warfare tactics our troops were not trained for nor prepared for. Living in this type of constant fear drove many of our infantry soldiers absoloutely nuts. So from experiences like that is why they would go through villages and torch them, and massacre every man, woman, and child inside. They did it because the type of viciousness they endured from the Vietnamese caused them to hate the Vietnamese, they felt no remorse for killing any civilian. Seeing your buddies die in the most gruesome and horrific ways completely numbs you to any more death. Human beings, especially the enemy, or those related to the enemy are seen as pieces of meat. Killing them meant nothing to our GIs.

I have studied about this war, and this is only a slight example I can give you of the psychology of our soldiers at the time. The conditions they fought in were worse than any war our country was involved in.

Qtec
08-25-2004, 09:15 PM
The two most important similarities between V and I for the US soldiers are that they dont speak the language or understand the customs, and the enemy could be standing right next to them and they wouldnt even know it!

Q

cheesemouse
08-26-2004, 06:09 AM
Bottom line minus the nit picking...Kerry servered...Bush was drunk and doing lines...

nAz
08-26-2004, 10:43 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote cheesemouse:</font><hr> Bottom line minus the nit picking...Kerry servered...Bush was drunk and doing lines... <hr /></blockquote>

your unamerican!!

eg8r
08-26-2004, 10:44 AM
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Bottom line minus the nit picking...Kerry servered...Bush was drunk and doing lines... <hr /></blockquote> Where was this thoughtful insight when you were rooting for Clinton over Bush Senior? Why the sudden change in belief? Kerry has the whole Democratic party flip-flopping. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

eg8r
08-26-2004, 10:55 AM
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I have studied about this war, and this is only a slight example I can give you of the psychology of our soldiers at the time. The conditions they fought in were worse than any war our country was involved in. <hr /></blockquote> Everything you state could be true, but there are thousands of soldiers who also say that is not true of what they experienced. There are always 2 sides and you need to find the truth in the middle. Some experienced it and some did not. That however is not what Kerry was saying. Kerry was saying they all were doing it, he was even part of it. If he was part of it and believed it was bad, then why wasn't he the big man and turn himself in for war crimes? He came back to America and blasted those poor soldiers and they never had a chance to tell their side. When the soldiers came back to the states, people like Kerry had America hating them. Kerry did not respect those soldiers when he was here lambasting them in front of the US public and not allowing them to tell their side of the story. In the quote I provided of Kerry's letter he is stating those soldiers should be respected when they come home, however he himself did not offer that level of compassion to those same soldiers. If this is not an example of hypocrisy then what is?

Kerry even reinforced this just this week when he was illegally making calls to the SBVs. He asked why they all hate him. He said that when he was making all those accusations he was not including the SBVs only the rest of the soldiers. Except for the fact that he said he took part in it. I guess this was during those exercises when he was not part of the SBVs.

eg8r

highsea
08-26-2004, 11:36 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> The two most important similarities between V and I for the US soldiers are that they dont speak the language or understand the customs, and the enemy could be standing right next to them and they wouldnt even know it!

Q <hr /></blockquote>Well of course this could be said about every war the US fought in the 20th. century now, couldn't it?

It is futile to try to make comparisons between Vietnam and Iraq. Geopolitically they are two completely different situations, they are 40 years apart, and the way wars are waged today are nothing like the way things were done in the Vietnam era (or Korea, for that matter). In fact about the only similarity that can be drawn is the tactics and behavior of most of the anti-war crowd.

The Kerry strategy is to connect the two wars in the public's consiousness. Vietnam is universally accepted as a great example of how not to fight a war. If Kerry can make this connection in the public mind, then it is much easier to condemn the Iraq war. i.e. Vietnam=bad, therefore Iraq=bad. (Incidentally, this same tactic has been adopted by Zarqawi and Sadr in Iraq.)

The real losers are the Vietnam vets who have spent 35 or 40 years putting their experience behind them, who now have to relive it all over again. Shame on Kerry for that.

-CM