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Fair_Play
09-30-2004, 10:06 AM
Hey Sid_V
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I wouldn't vote for anybody who gets panicy for 20 minutes when he's informed by his SS that the Pentagon has now been hit and "Mr. President, our country is under attack. <hr /></blockquote> See below for what actually happened, ahd to continue the sage of "Three dollar biil" John Kerry Heinz..

On 9/11 Kerry was in Tom Daschle's office, stunned, and "did not know what to think". Twenty minutes AFTER the Prez was already addressing the problem

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040814-123306-8563r.htm


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"And then word came from the White House they were evacuating, and we were to evacuate," he added. "And so we immediately began the evacuation."
By that time, Mr. Bush had been responding to the attacks for more than 20 minutes and had addressed the nation. Using the Florida school as a makeshift command post, Mr. Bush had telephoned Vice President Dick Cheney, FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III and New York Gov. George E. Pataki
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Fork Tongue Kerry to the Washington Post:

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John Kerry:
"First of all, had I been reading to children, and had my top aide whispered in my ear, 'America is under attack,' I would have told those kids very politely and nicely that the president of the United States had business that he needed to attend to, and I would have attended to it," Washington Times
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and what John F. Kerry Heniz said to Larry King:

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Kerry admits to Larry King that while the attacks were taking place, he sat "not being able to think" for 34 minutes.

KING: Where were you?

KERRY: I was in the Capitol. We'd just had a meeting -- we'd just come into a leadership meeting in Tom Daschle's office, looking out at the Capitol. And as I came in, Barbara Boxer and Harry Reid were standing there, and we watched the second plane come in to the building. And we shortly thereafter sat down at the table and then we just realized nobody could think, and then boom, right behind us, we saw the cloud of explosion at the Pentagon. And then word came from the White House, they were evacuating, and we were to evacuate, and so we immediately began the evacuation. CNN
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And another piece of Kerry's arrogant puzzle:

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The second plane hit the World Trade Center at 9:03 a.m., and American Airlines Flight 77 struck the Pentagon at 9:37 a.m. According to Kerry, he and his fellow senators sat frozen and indecisive for 34 minutes. Kerry is dismissive of the president's explanation that he did not wish to seem panicked and so remained seated for seven minutes (while aides were busily trying to acquire more information), yet Kerry admits to not knowing what to do for 34 minutes. Jewish World Review
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(By the way, not that it matters, but Kerry is not Irish, he is Jewish, his father's name was changed from Kohn to Kerry... this guy is serioously mixed up, with an agenda).


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''For those of us who are fortunate to share an Irish ancestry, we take great pride in the contributions that Irish-Americans …" <font color="red"> LIE </font color>

—Senate floor statement by John Kerry, March 18, 1986, as quoted in Frank Phillips' and Brian C. Mooney's "1986 Statement Counters Kerry's Stand on Heritage," in the March 6 Boston Globe.

"As some of you may know, I am part-English and part-Irish. <font color="red"> LIE </font color> And when my Kerry ancestors first came over to Massachusetts from the old country to find work in the New World, it was my English ancestors who refused to hire them."

—Draft remarks prepared for Kerry in 1984, quoted by Phillips and Mooney in the March 6 Globe. Kerry was lieutenant governor of Massachusetts at the time.

"[I]n 1982, at the state Democratic convention in Springfield, his campaign gave his convention floor workers emerald-green T-shirts and hats featuring the logo, 'Up Kerry'—a takeoff on the rallying cry for the first president of the Republic of Ireland, Eamon de Valera, whose supporters cried, 'Up de Valera!' " <font color="red"> SOPHIST LIE.. </font color>


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None of Kerry's ancestors were from Ireland. Just as Kerry was never in Cambodia...

Kerry? Kerry? The guy is a vicious schoolyard bully who get those around him of less intelligence to do his dirty work. He is NOT a master of the big lie.. Clinton had lying down to an art, Kerry just gets caught, by his own words, far too much to ever be an effective negotiatior in small things.. and people actually want this twisted sister to wear long pants and represent the U.S. ???? Go Figure!!!!

All the Best,

Fair Play

Wally_in_Cincy
09-30-2004, 10:42 AM
Don't expect a reply from Sid. He just occasionally drops by and spouts Democrat doom and gloom talking points but never engages in an actual debate where he has to justify his opinions with facts.

Sorry Sid, nothing personal, just the truth.

Fair_Play
09-30-2004, 11:12 AM
Ouch!

Well, darn. And I was just about to let the big secret out: Three dollar bill Kerry Heinz has raised the bar so high that Scott Peterson is now frantic to take lessons from him. See, Peterson now realizes that his wife was abducted and murdered by a ring of satanic sturgeon fisherman, and needs Kerry's expertise when he shocks everyone and takes the stand and reveals <font color="blue"> THE TRUTH! </font color>

Wally_in_Cincy
09-30-2004, 11:27 AM
John Kerry-Heinz

http://www.thewho.net/linernotes/1967WhoSellOutLP.jpg

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fair_Play:</font><hr>

...Kerry Heinz...

...Scott Peterson...<hr /></blockquote>

Well they are both boaters

eg8r
09-30-2004, 11:39 AM
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Clinton had lying down to an art ( <font color="red">I think more importantly about this, is that people genuinely "liked" Clinton. There was something about him that set people at ease, and I really think W has some of the same characteristics. Kerry does not. People do not "like" Kerry, they just hate Bush. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif </font color> ), Kerry just gets caught, by his own words, far too much to ever be an effective negotiatior in small things ( <font color="red"> How about France and Germany stating they don't care is Kerry is President or W is reelected, they still are not going to send in any support. So much for Kerry "re-building" these strong alliances. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif </font color> ).. and people actually want this twisted sister to wear long pants and represent the U.S. ???? Go Figure!!!!
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Fair_Play
09-30-2004, 11:43 AM
Hey Wally,

This is so freaking sad. Here we have a guy who will, on the Senate floor, tell a stupid stupid lie about HIMSELF , alluding to being Irish - this is beyond incredible, for <font color="blue"> he is no more Irish than the Pope </font color> , never has been, never will be... AND this particular phonyism was started simply and solely for political gain.. There can be no greater lie than to lie about your being, about who you are. If you are going to lie, tell a big one.. but at least do not tell a big one that is easily proven untrue.. Three dollar bill, his entire life has been only a series of self-serving lies... it is all there to see.

All the Best,

Fair Play

Wally_in_Cincy
09-30-2004, 12:07 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fair_Play:</font><hr>

...If you are going to lie, tell a big one.. but at least do not tell a big one that is easily proven untrue.. <hr /></blockquote>

I'm the best black poolplayer in Hamiltucky /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Fair_Play
09-30-2004, 12:12 PM
OK, Wally!
/ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

but you just might be talked into palying for 'a little' $$$$

hahaha /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Fair Play

Ross
09-30-2004, 01:32 PM
Fair_play, just so you know, this has been discussed here before. See http://www.billiardsdigest.com/ccboard/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=npr&amp;Number=150974&amp;Forum=Al l_Forums&amp;Words=7%20minutes&amp;Match=Entire%20Phrase&amp;S earchpage=0&amp;Limit=25&amp;Old=6months&amp;Main=150758&amp;Searc h=true#Post150974 if you are interested in a different perspective (mine! /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif).

Fair_Play
09-30-2004, 01:48 PM
Hey Ross,

Your post was a lot closer than mine.. so much of this is (perhaps on my part as well) just a bunch of childish BS...

Yes, there is a lot that Bush could do to improve, Kerry as well.. however, my perception of Kerry drives me to a livid outrage - my view is one of unbridled arrogance on his part, and zero sense of honor, to say the least. JMO that he is at heart a sociopathic self-serving idiot - and that is delivered sugar-coated with a straight face!

Best Regards,

Fair Play

Ross
09-30-2004, 02:00 PM
I appreciate your honesty. Sounds like Kerry sends you off your gourd like Bush does to me. As pooltchr said - how can these two be the best the US has to offer?

Fair_Play
09-30-2004, 02:13 PM
Hey Ross,

Yes, the best we have.. as I mentioned in an earlier post, it is for me a simple 'the best of two evils' - though my bias is focused in one direction, I can actually see the other side.. oh well, while this is somewhat enraging, it is our country, and our political system.. our 'democracy' is not far removed from feudalism, and the serfs do get unruly, from time to time, most often ineffectually.

I would ask what ticks you off about Bush, but I probably would not really want to know!! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Best Regards,

Fair Play

Qtec
09-30-2004, 03:20 PM
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This is so freaking sad. <font color="blue"> Yes it is. </font color> Here we have a guy who will, on the Senate floor, tell a stupid stupid lie about HIMSELF , alluding to being Irish <font color="blue">Wrong.Kerry never said anything! </font color> - this is beyond incredible, for he is no more Irish than the Pope , never has been, never will be... AND this particular phonyism was started simply and solely for political gain.. There can be no greater lie than to lie about your being, about who you are. If you are going to lie, tell a big one.. but at least do not tell a big one that is easily proven untrue.. Three dollar bill, his entire life has been only a series of self-serving lies... it is all there to see.

All the Best,

Fair Play <hr /></blockquote>


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http://www.houseofplum.com/plumcrazy/archives/000549.html

US Senator John F. Kerry's insistence that he has been "clear as a bell" in never having claimed Irish ancestry is undercut by a statement introduced the day after St. Patrick's Day 17 years ago in which he identified himself as Irish-American.
"For those of us who are fortunate to share an Irish ancestory, we take great pride in the contributions that Irish-Americans, from the time of the Revolutionary War to the present, have made to building a strong and vibrant nation," Kerry told Senate colleagues in a March 18, 1986 statement. Kerry's remarks, recorded in the Congressional Record, were part of his introduction of a St. Patrick's Day message by then-Boston mayor Raymond L. Flynn that the senator wanted printed in the publication.

Kelley Benander, a Kerry aide, said the senator did not make the statement in person, but rather his staff prepared a written statement that was submitted to the clerk for recording. She said Kerry never saw the statement.

"John Kerry did not deliver these remarks nor did he see this line," Benander said. "Anyone familiar with Capitol Hill knows that it is common routine for statements to be inserted in the Congressional Record rather than being delivered on the Senate floor. These particular remarks were drafted by a staffer who made an understandable and common but erroneous assumption.".

Benander said Kerry, as a US senator, has made numerous statements and speeches about Irish-American political figures and issues in which he never claimed to have Irish heritage.

Ronald F. Rosenblith, Kerry's chief of staff at the time the 1986 Senate statement was printed, blamed a staff error. "This is not the type of statement that Senator Kerry would have seen, and the error was an unfortunate staff mistake," Rosenblith said.

Much discussion of Kerry's ethnic heritage has emerged in recent weeks, after a Globe story revealed that, despite widespread perceptions that he had Irish ancestry, Kerry's roots were Austrian through his father, Richard Kerry. His mother came from Boston blue-blood background.

Some observers have suggested the lack of clarity about his family origins reflects Kerry's ill-defined identity and tendency to leave misimpressions that are politically advantageous to him. Others find the story of Kerry's background, which includes an Austrian immigrant grandfather who committed suicide at a Boston hotel, a poignant and painful personal tale of a man learning only late in life about where he came from.

Kerry's claim of Irish ancestry in the Senate statement contradicts his strong assertions to the Globe last month that he never suggested he had Irish blood and sought to correct any published reports that said otherwise.

"I'm sure some people see the name and, `Hey, I think it's this or that' but I've been clear as a bell," Kerry told Globe reporter Michael Kranish, who had researched his genealogy. "I've always been absolutely straight up front about it."

It is not the only time Kerry's supposed Irishness has turned up in statements attributable to him. A draft of remarks prepared for Kerry when he was Massachusetts lieutenant governor includes this passage: "As some of you may know, I am part-English and part-Irish. And when my Kerry ancestors first came over to Massachusetts from the old country to find work in the New World, it was my English ancestors who refused to hire them."

The four-page draft, which the Globe has obtained, is untitled and undated but refers to civil rights-related events of 1984, his final year as lieutenant governor.

After the Globe's inquiry, Benander said she spoke late yesterday to both Kerry and Jonathan Winer, the former aide who penned the remarks. They recalled the draft, but "neither ever remember it being used," she said.
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http://www4.fosters.com/July2004/07.18.04/news/ap_nh0718d.asp


These accusations are just an underhand mechanism for the GOP to introduce to the public that Kerry,s father was Jewish. Its a cheap shot and you are participating.
If Kerry was telling everyone that he is Irish, I dont think you would have to go back 17 YEARS to find an ACTUAL quote.

All the best.

Q

Fair_Play
09-30-2004, 04:18 PM
Hey Q,

Perhsps we both need a "smoking gun":

http://slate.msn.com/id/2079783/

<font color="blue"> Which version of all of the events below is most believeable??? </font color>

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chatterbox Gossip, speculation, and scuttlebutt about politics.


Whopper of the Week: John Kerry
Did he pretend to be Irish?
By Timothy Noah
Posted Friday, March 7, 2003, at 3:34 PM PT


"[John] Kerry acknowledged that some voters in Massachusetts, the nation's most Irish-American state, may have had the impression that he had Irish roots. He said that he knew of no Irish ancestry and that he had always tried to correct misstatements whenever he learned about them.

"Numerous publications, including the Globe, have stated that Kerry is Irish-American.


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"'I'm sure some people see the name and say, "Hey, I think it's this or that," but I've been clear as a bell,' Kerry said. 'I've always been absolutely straight up front about it.'

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"Kerry 'has never indicated to anyone that he was Irish and corrected people over the years who assumed he was,' [spokeswoman Kelly] Benander said."

—Michael Kranish, "Search for Kerry's Roots Finds Surprising History," in the Feb. 2 Boston Globe.

''For those of us who are fortunate to share an Irish ancestry, we take great pride in the contributions that Irish-Americans …"

—Senate floor statement by John Kerry, March 18, 1986, as quoted in Frank Phillips' and Brian C. Mooney's "1986 Statement Counters Kerry's Stand on Heritage," in the March 6 Boston Globe.

"As some of you may know, I am part-English and part-Irish. And when my Kerry ancestors first came over to Massachusetts from the old country to find work in the New World, it was my English ancestors who refused to hire them."

—Draft remarks prepared for Kerry in 1984, quoted by Phillips and Mooney in the March 6 Globe. Kerry was lieutenant governor of Massachusetts at the time.

"[I]n 1982, at the state Democratic convention in Springfield, his campaign gave his convention floor workers emerald-green T-shirts and hats featuring the logo, 'Up Kerry'—a takeoff on the rallying cry for the first president of the Republic of Ireland, Eamon de Valera, whose supporters cried, 'Up de Valera!' "

—Phillips and Mooney in the March 6 Globe.

Discussion. The question before the jury is whether Kerry has systematically sought to con Massachusetts voters (a great many of whom are Irish) into thinking that he's Irish. Kerry's spokesperson, Kelley Benander, told the Globe the erroneous Senate floor statement was staff-written and that Kerry neither recited nor saw it. (It's common for members of Congress to submit written floor statements in lieu of going to the Senate floor and saying the words out loud, and these statements are indeed often written by staff members.) Neither Kerry nor Benander nor Jonathan Winer, the Kerry aide who wrote the draft remarks prepared for Kerry when he was lieutenant governor, recall the speech being used. (But they don't seem specifically to recall it not being used, either.) As for the Irish-themed Kerry campaign paraphernalia, Benander said it was meant to attract Irish-American voters, not to con people into thinking Kerry was Irish.

Still, it's striking that the Globe was able to find two separate instances where Kerry's own staff thought he was Irish and a third where Kerry's campaign invited the public to believe he was Irish. (Benander's explanation about the hats and T-shirts fails to persuade because Kerry wasn't visiting an Irish neighborhood. He was at a state convention attended by people with all sorts of backgrounds.) And it is striking that Kerry has never attempted to correct various references to his Irish ancestry that have appeared in the Globe, which is the most important newspaper in his state.

Chatterbox's bottom line is that a political candidate and officeholder is responsible for whatever goes out under his name. So the Senate statement alone qualifies this as a Whopper. As to the larger question of whether Kerry habitually tells opportunistic lies about his background, or anything else, the jury's still out. But you can bet the Globe, and everyone else, will be watching.

[Correction, March 15: Winer, who was not contacted by the Globe for the story, says it misreported (secondhand, via Benander) his recollection about the 1984 draft comments. The Globe said Winer didn't remember Kerry giving the speech. Winer says he does remember that Kerry did not give the speech. "He refused to use it," Winer e-mailed Chatterbox. "Told me it wasn't funny." Chatterbox notes that Winer does not affirm that Kerry further said, "And besides, I'm not Irish," so he presumes that didn't happen.]

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and Q, hey, I am Jewish.. in ancestry, the same as Kerry.. that was a cheap shot, IMHO, what is wrong with being Jewish??

All the Best,

Fair Play

p.s. interesting how my bias allows belief of what (TO ME) seems logical about Kerry, in Mass (Bean Town and environs) doing what he can to appear Irish, and not doing what he can to appear "Not Irish" - the campaign "T" shirts go a long way.. and the point that a candidates staff should not be allowed to 'misrepresent' the guy... there is no statute of limitations are saying you are Irish when you aren't! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Fair_Play
09-30-2004, 04:38 PM
Hello Q,

Kerry also say tha the White House Bush plans to re-instate the draft as soon as the elections are over..

Bush says emphatically NO....

But, there <font color="blue"> IS </font color> legislation to re-institute the draft!!!!

/ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif/ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

However, this legislation was introduced by Charlie Rangel (D)... guess Kerry believes that Rangel is Bush?

Go figure

Fair Play

Qtec
09-30-2004, 04:46 PM
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"Numerous publications, including the Globe, have stated that Kerry is Irish-American.
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If they did then it seems they are wrong.

You have yet to show one single instance in the last 17 years where Kerry has said that he is of Irish descent.

You are blaming K for something somebody else wrote, that he didnt even see.

Q BTW your last post contained no new information]

Fair_Play
09-30-2004, 04:59 PM
and you didn't respond to your Jewish crack /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif, either.

truth is, I want to believe the Irish caper, just as you don't want to believe , that Kerry gave the Irish Ploy up once he was called on it, but did milk it when he safely could... where did those "T" shirts come from? A Republican dirty trick??

Now about the draft... /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Take care, and buy an Occam's razor if you can...

Fair Play

Qtec
09-30-2004, 05:36 PM
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(By the way, not that it matters, but Kerry is not Irish, he is Jewish, his father's name was changed from Kohn to Kerry... this guy is serioously mixed up, with an agenda).

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Kerry, who is a practicing Catholic, said he has known for 15 years that his paternal grandmother was Jewish, but had unsuccessfully searched for news of his paternal grandfather's roots

The Kerry story also might hold lessons for the present and future makeup of American Jewry, Sarna said. According to current statistics, millions of Americans like Kerry may have Jewish roots but don't consider themselves Jewish.

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Another glaring error. Kerry is Catholic, not Jewish.

Unlike you, I dont believe everything I read at the Free Republic website! /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Q

Fair_Play
09-30-2004, 05:45 PM
Yes, "Jewish" is a religion, not a race. So I guess that makes Kerry a religious flip flopper? /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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The Jewish blood comes from John Kerry's father's side of the family. Kerry's mother's side of the family are blue bloods that can trace their lineage back to the Mayflower. Astonishly, someone has just shown that John Kerry and George Bush can trace their lineage back to the same family. I guess that makes them cousins, a zillion times removed, though. Look here: http://msn.ancestry.com/landing/strange/bush4/tree.htm
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Good Clean Fun was had By All!

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Kerry says that his religion was instilled in him since childhood and he wore a rosary when he went to battle in Vietnam. But he argues that his religious beliefs would not influence his actions as an elected representative. But there have already been instances when his religion and politics seem to clash. In February, he was asked by St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke to absent himself from Communion. The Catholic authorities seem to be getting increasingly frustrated with Catholic politicians who are violating the Church's moral teachings in the course of their political lives. Of late, he has been incorporating religious content and biblical content into campaign speeches. Kerry draws a parallel with John .F. Kennedy who said, 'I will be a president who happens to be Catholic, not a Catholic president.'"
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All the Best,

Fair Play

Fair_Play
09-30-2004, 06:09 PM
Senator Kerry is doing a brilliant job debating Bush.
<font color="blue">(Drat!) </font color>

Fair Play

stickman
09-30-2004, 10:01 PM
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On 9/11 Kerry was in Tom Daschle's office, stunned, and "did not know what to think".
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As usual, I suspect he had to wait for someone to tell him what he thinks. In the same situation, I expect him to call the UN to ask what we should do. (The global test) /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

hondo
10-01-2004, 05:33 AM
Don't you know, FP, ther's only 2 types of people
in the world? Those that are Irish and those that
wish they were Irish.