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highsea
10-14-2004, 02:28 PM
Kerry is calling for 2 new active duty divisions (one combat and one support), and an additional 10,000 reserve forces as part of his defense plan. His rationale is that US forces are overstretched in Iraq.

According to the CBO, the up-front investment costs for 2 new divisions would be just shy of $20bn. Maintenance costs for stateside deployment would be about $6.5Bn./yr. It would take 5 years to add and train these 80,000 new troops.

Now, I am not against increasing our troop strength, but Kerry has promised that these increases will be "budget neutral". In other words, something has to be cut to finance the new additions.

Based on Kerry's statements and record, this is what I think will be cut first.

#1. The National Missile Defense Program. Kerry has been a long time opponent of this program, and Bush increased funding for NMD to about $6.7Bn/yr., IIRC. The program is partially deployed now, with components in Alaska, the Sea of Japan, and Radar installations in Australia. This is a purely defensive program designed primarily to counter the threat of a Nuclear Missile attack from North Korea or Iran (both of whom are rapidly developing ICBM capabilities).

#2. The F/A-22 and F-35 JSF 5th. Generation fighter jet programs. Kerry has also consistently opposed these programs. The F/A-22 has been scaled back from the original 600 plane requirement to about 225. There are 2 squadrons formed up now, with one active. That's 48 planes. The JSF program will start producing planes in 2008. The F/A-22 is designed to replace the F-15, and the JSF is designed to replace the F-16. Both the F-16 and the F-15 are very old platforms, and not competitive against current fighters like the Saab JAS-39 Gripen, French Rafale, Russian SU-27 series, the Eurofighter EF-2000, and the Chinese J-10 and J-11. The Chinese have 280 SU-27's and license to build an additional 400 (The J-11). Also the airframes of the F-15's and F-16's are approaching the end of their lifespans. F/A-22's will not be exported, but the JSF is scheduled to go to the UK and Australia to replace older F-18's, Tornados, and Harriers. The F/A-22 is vital to the US's ability to maintain air superiority in the battlespace, and the JSF is vital for air to air and ground support roles for the US and our allies.

#3. The Virginia Class Fast Attack Sumbarine program. After the cold war ended, the US canceled the Seawolf Fast Attack Submarines. The original requirement was for 30 boats, and was stopped at 3. 2 of these are in service, and the 3rd., the USS Jimmy Carter, will be commissioned by the end of this year, after undergoing some extensive modifications to make it a multi-role platform. The Virginia Class is the replacement for the Seawolf Class. They are quieter and more advanced electronocally, and are more stealthy acoustically and magnetically. These boats are primarily designed for littoral operations in support of US Carrier Battle Groups, and for track and kill operations against hostile subs and skimmers. They are also designed for insertion of SOF squads and covert Specops support operations. The Chinese, Russians, and French are all building new generation subs, and the Chinese in particular are in the process of a massive buildup of new generation subs designed to effectively target US CBG's. Without the Virginia Class boats, our CBG's will be defenseless against the new Chinese subs in places like the Straits of Taiwan. The current requirement for the Virginia Class is 29 boats, one is built (SSN 774 Virginia), and will be commissioned by the end of this year.

Two of these three programs are "force multipliers", that is they increase the effectiveness of our troops in a wartime scenario. The first, NMD is strictly defensive.

This is just part of what Kerry will have to cut in order to be "budget neutral". I'm sure that Kerry has plans to cut other systems as well, but these are the "big three" in terms of expense, and so most likely the first to get the ax. The excuse will be that none of these are "anti-terrorist" programs.

Cheers.

Fair_Play
10-14-2004, 04:17 PM
hghsea,

you one fella pretty savvy bout military stuff, hey!

Kinda like if one has even just a little interest it is not rocket science to figure out.. few choose to do so!

by the way, thanks for making clear the GW 180/Executive Order/Kerry 180 thing... we work with SF 180's on a constant basis, it becomes part and parcel of a work environment. So one forgets that not every citizen has knowledge that is in fact fairly specialized.

For the first time in years we get a prez who believes in pre-emptive strikes, and then the clock strikes four years.. this is a tough nut, Al Qaeda and all - but to display weakness to those folks is a gold plated invitation to disaster.

Well, there you have it - but then, HiC, you already did have it.

Best Regards to you and to yours,

Fair Play

p.s.
not to get too political:
I am for stem cell research.
I am for 'gay' marriage.
I am for abortion.

Then, how can I be for Bush? Simple. All of the social issues will work themselves out, one way or another.

As Commander-In-Chief, Bush is making, IMO, the right moves. It is my opinion that 'Slash and Burn' Free Fire Zone Kerry would gut our military, given any chance at all. We might survive, but our children might not.

highsea
10-14-2004, 05:14 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fair_Play:</font><hr>Kinda like if one has even just a little interest it is not rocket science to figure out.. few choose to do so!<hr /></blockquote>I know what you mean FP, I didn't even get to the DD(X) or CVN21. But then again, what good is a new Carrier if you can't defend it and don't have any planes to put on it anyway.
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fair_Play:</font><hr>p.s.
not to get too political:
I am for stem cell research.
I am for 'gay' marriage.
I am for abortion.
<hr /></blockquote>Don't worry, that's not to political for me. I also support stem-cell research and a woman's right to choose. As for the gay marriage thing, it's better left up to the States, imo.

Regards,
-CM

Fair_Play
10-14-2004, 05:31 PM
highsea,

Yes, should be a state thing, agree.

you placed a very good post, IMO. Few look at where the $$ go. You know that just about any operation in the military is dictated by a budget - and cooking the books creatively can accomplish far more than just kicking back and saying 'it can't be done'. Our Bn has consistently burned through budgets, and been given the funds of other units, because the readiness and logistical levels were so much higher than theirs.. being conservative when it comes to readiness is not a good thing.

"Why not?" beats "cannot" every time, with hard work and planning, just as enthusiasm beats indolence.

You are an intesting guy, highsea

Roger Dodger Over and Out (over=your turn, out=end transmission..) you knew that, didn't ya!

Salutations of the most Congenial Kind, /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Fair Play

highsea
10-14-2004, 06:40 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fair_Play:</font><hr>Roger Dodger Over and Out (over=your turn, out=end transmission..) you knew that, didn't ya!<hr /></blockquote>Okay then, FP, over and out.

I'm off to the PH for some CQB! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Cheers,
-CM

Fair_Play
10-14-2004, 06:42 PM
LMAO /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Cheerio pard (wifey is a Brit!)


FP

Yanks MOUT - Military Operations in Urban Terrain

Brits FIBUA - Fighting in Built Up Areas

same same

pooltchr
10-15-2004, 03:56 AM
[quote=Fair_Play

Roger Dodger Over and Out (over=your turn, out=end transmission..) you knew that, didn't ya!

<hr /></blockquote>

Gotta correct you on this one. As a former communications specialist, you never use "over and out". By the nature of the definitions (correct, by the way) you gave...it's either "over" or "out"...but it can't be both. You are either finished with the conversation, or you are expecting a response.

I don't mean to be picky...just a minor pet peeve of a military radio operator.

Steve

highsea
10-15-2004, 04:04 AM
Hey Steve, FP was making a joke.

As in, civs say alpha bravo, and mils say able baker...would you say "Tally ho", or.."Traffic is not a factor"....? It depends on who you are...(ATC's hate Tally Ho..)

Over?

p.s., in the marine world, we say "okay"? (that means "over"..)

it just goes to show...

Fair_Play
10-15-2004, 07:15 AM
Semper Fi!

FP

highsea
10-15-2004, 07:28 AM
Here you go Sarge...hand these out to your boys...

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