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Lou
10-23-2004, 05:55 PM
I play a lot of "bar" tournaments and feel like I have a hang-over the next day even if I don't drink! Any cures? to alliviate the condition? Need some help or going to have to quit.

PQQLK9
10-23-2004, 06:42 PM
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Billy_Bob
10-24-2004, 08:36 AM
May want to try wearing a "P100" rated mask (link below). This is the same as a "HEPA" filter. Quality "rated" masks such as these are usually avaliable at construction safety equipment stores.

I have two electric HEPA portable air cleaners I bought at Walmart in my pool room at home. I smoke myself, but when you get several people in one room smoking at the same time, it can be a bit much.

Some bars do not have smoke eaters or air cleaners whereas others do. Some cities require all bars to have air filtration equipment to clean the smoke out of the room. I've played in some bars/pool halls which have multiple smoke eaters and the air is clear (no smoke clouds hanging over room).

P100 masks...
http://www.allergybegone.com/honfilmas.html

Bob_Jewett
10-24-2004, 02:50 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Lou:</font><hr> I play a lot of "bar" tournaments and feel like I have a hang-over the next day even if I don't drink! Any cures? to alliviate the condition? Need some help or going to have to quit. <hr /></blockquote>
I've enjoyed tournaments a lot more now that the whole State is non-smoking indoors. How flexible is your work situation?

JimS
10-24-2004, 07:49 PM
After 49 yrs of smoking, average 2 packs a day for all those years, I haven't had a cigarete since May 1, 2003.....that's 513 days.

I spent several hours in a smoking pool hall this weekend, the first time I've been in a ph or bar for any length of time since I had my last cigaret. The smoke bothered me.... a little. It also created some urges to join in and light one up!!

I'm not going to be a crusader but it did bother me.

I'd love to have a cigarete but I don't want to be a smoker.

I don't have any help for you except to suggest you go outside every once in a while.

DeadStroke
10-25-2004, 12:10 PM
Lou,

Don't know if this will help your condition, but I used to come home from bar tourneys or league with my nose completely swelled shut from my reaction to the smoke. I had no other symptoms, though. I started using Flonase and that cured the problem immediately. It is expensive but well worth it to me. Hope this helps!

Jude_Rosenstock
10-27-2004, 01:37 PM
Move to New York City. There is no smoking allowed in any poolroom or bar throughout the state. In fact, you can have my apartment. Where do you live? We'll trade!


Jude M. Rosenstock

Chris Cass
10-27-2004, 01:44 PM
Well,

Cancer won't help. I'd quit playing in bars or only ones that are non-smoking. Are you telling me that you want to play bar tourneys but can't handle the smoke? Geez, quit playing the bar tourneys.

Regards,

C.C.

Deeman2
10-27-2004, 01:47 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Jude_Rosenstock:</font><hr> Move to New York City. There is no smoking allowed in any poolroom or bar throughout the state. In fact, you can have my apartment. Where do you live? We'll trade!


Jude M. Rosenstock <hr /></blockquote>

Jude,

Did the smoking ban have any impact on Amsterdam East Closing? I know it hit Kalifornia pretty hard.

Deeman

JimS
10-28-2004, 06:59 AM
Does the smoke in the ph's bother you or did the smoke in the ph's make you want to smoke after your hospitalizaton...even after all you'd been through?

Barbara
10-28-2004, 07:13 AM
LOL!

That's what my bar team had in mind when I announced I was going to be alternate instead of full-time.

Barbara

Barbara
10-28-2004, 07:23 AM
You might think about taking a shower when you get home. Breath in through your nose to clear out your sinuses.

Tylenol Sinus helps me.

Barbara

Jude_Rosenstock
10-28-2004, 09:54 AM
It's difficult to point to one specific reason as to why Amsterdam closed. Business was down but it was down before the smoking ban (the ban definately didn't help) and we were having problems with the landlord. The bottom-line was, the owners decided the space was not profitable and wouldn't be for a rather long time.

In my opinion however, the smoking ban will seriously hinder the ability of larger businesses to survive. Smaller businesses that have a dominant regular following will be able to keep their customers by allowing smoking during times they know they can get away with it. For a business such as Amsterdam to try and regulate when people can or cannot smoke would be impossible. A place that large needs to abide by the law. As a result, the walk-in customer looking to get out of the cold, have a drink, play a game and smoke will either go to their corner bar or go home.

This law will dramatically affect the nightlife in New York City, especially in the colder months. I have to admit, it is nice knowing I don't have to be exposed to smoke on a constant basis (and I'm a smoker) but I have to question, even if the law is legal, does it fall under American ideology? It is very rare that government steps in and tells a business what it can or cannot do in regards to a legal activity.

I also don't think it's any coincidence that suddenly, pool has gotten rather boring in New York City. You don't have the same number of players hanging out in a room for hours at a time. It's very sad and very true, most of the players I knew two years ago have all but quit playing since (and I'm speaking of some VERY good players).


Jude M. Rosenstock

FastJoey
12-23-2004, 09:29 PM
if smokers only knew how much they stink maybe some of them would quit...even with air filters sometimes the Hall is overwhelmed with this stink...they should smoke outside period...

bobroberts
12-24-2004, 06:25 PM
You know I keep hearing of pool rooms closing because of the ban on smoking.Thats a load of bull.They are closing because they are not keeping up with whats going on in the world.Yeah you might lose the older players but its the young ones with throw away money that you want in your joint.I have a place right down the block that has over 30 tables and is packed most of the time and guys bring their girls in and ladies come in after work for happy hour which gets more guys in,especially after 4p.m.They offer food, drinks, T.V.s with sports showing all the time.good music.With todays rents you can't get away with just the old P.H. any more.You need to give the public more.So don't complain about cigarettes change the way you do business.

chefjeff
12-25-2004, 08:19 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote bobroberts:</font><hr> You know I keep hearing of pool rooms closing because of the ban on smoking.Thats a load of bull.They are closing because they are not keeping up with whats going on in the world.Yeah you might lose the older players but its the young ones with throw away money that you want in your joint.I have a place right down the block that has over 30 tables and is packed most of the time and guys bring their girls in and ladies come in after work for happy hour which gets more guys in,especially after 4p.m.They offer food, drinks, T.V.s with sports showing all the time.good music.With todays rents you can't get away with just the old P.H. any more.You need to give the public more.So don't complain about cigarettes change the way you do business. <hr /></blockquote>

Maybe this will add some facts to your opinions: /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

http://www.smokersclubinc.com/banloss3.htm

Jeff Livingston

PQQLK9
12-25-2004, 08:24 AM
Maybe this will add some facts to your opinions: /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

http://www.smokersclubinc.com/banloss3.htm

Jeff Livingston <hr /></blockquote>

and your point is ? ... /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Vagabond
12-26-2004, 06:06 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Jude_Rosenstock:</font><hr>
but I have to question, even if the law is legal, does it fall under American ideology? It is very rare that government steps in and tells a business what it can or cannot do in regards to a legal activity.


Jude M. Rosenstock <hr /></blockquote>

Howdy,
I thought that it is the American way.I always thought that America is the most regulated society on planet Earth with few exceptions like Soviet Russia.Late President Ronald Reagan passed more laws than any other President in the recent times.
Examples of ridiculous regulations:
I can`t paint my own house with the color I want.What freedom we are talking about.
we now have a new Law in Jackson, Mississippi:If one has bulge there one could be arrested for having erection in a public place( Actual language is different).U better not come to Jackson,Ms.What freedoms we are talking about?
Cheers
Vagabond /ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif

PQQLK9
12-26-2004, 07:07 AM
Here's more Gov'mnt intervention ...

Posted on Sun, Dec. 26, 2004
Click here to find out more! http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/10500600.htm

N.C. law is sought on kegs

The Charlotte City Council will push for a state law requiring retailers to record more information each time they sell a beer keg, so authorities can trace the container back to the buyer if they learn underage people drank from it.

chefjeff
12-26-2004, 08:34 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote PQQLK9:</font><hr> Maybe this will add some facts to your opinions: /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

http://www.smokersclubinc.com/banloss3.htm

Jeff Livingston <hr /></blockquote>

and your point is ? ... /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Well, someone said that rooms closing because of smoking laws was a "load of bull," and that it was caused by bad management.

I merely showed some evidence to the contrary. How you integrate that evidence into your mind is up to you.

That's all.

Jeff Livingston

bobroberts
12-27-2004, 05:19 PM
For every one closing there is one opening. You might want to factor the DWI laws into why the bar type rooms are doing bad.Hey its a poor excuse to blame the cigarette laws.Anyone can grab a quick smoke outside.The point is it can't be business as usual,you need to come up with a new gimick to compete.
I do agree that our freedoms are being stripped away.No,we never really had those freedoms in the first place.

Rod
12-27-2004, 05:32 PM
I'm very well aware of some of those rooms. I know of another that isn't listed of which is part of a major chain of rooms. It is a fact smoking laws closed one and forced another to give the room back to the original owners.

I don't smoke but it is sad to see such nice rooms did not make it. BTW another large room made it a private club to avoid the smoking laws. It was however in a different city than the other rooms were in.

Rod

Granted you need to think of ways of keeping the room open but before someone says smoking laws didn't close them you'd better know the facts first.

monkeydude20
12-28-2004, 04:23 PM
Here's an idea. Try looking for a good clean pool hall that does not permit smoking. Good idea? I think so. Look here at this website to see if there are any good ones near you. www.poolrooms.com (http://www.poolrooms.com)

chefjeff
12-29-2004, 08:19 AM
Well suppose a city outlawed pool playing in public?

Would someone then say, "Hey, anyone can put a table in his basement. It's a poor excuse to blame the pool playing laws."

Freedoms go little by little and some people justify the theft with slogans, such as, "Hey, its (sic) a poor excuse to blame the ______________ laws."

It's hard enough trying to run any business, let alone one where the govt. is constantly trying to control you or else shut you down. This outside, uninvited control is what will kill the pool halls, imho, unless we, the players, protest them vigorously.

We've been without a pool hall for 5 years here in Des Moines. One finally opened last month by a guy who owns another bar, but Don McCoy is still having problems re-locating his place because, you guessed it, the local govt. keeps stopping him with brute force. He's on his third or fourth choice of a building. He just told me that now the local govt. is saying he doesn't have enough parking places. Previously he had a great building, but the local govt. said he had to have 5 stalls in the women's restroom! Like there would ever be even 5 women at McCoy's! He's going broke, simply trying to give us pool players what we want. This should terrify us pool players.

A bigger example of this type of business destruction is what the EU did to Microsoft this week. No different in style, just degree.

Freedom works....even for pool players and non-smokers, like myself.

Jeff Livingston

ted harris
01-01-2005, 09:48 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote chefjeff:</font><hr> Maybe this will add some facts to your opinions: /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

http://www.smokersclubinc.com/banloss3.htm

Jeff Livingston <hr /></blockquote>
Why do you keep posting this crap?
Here are links to repudiate everything on the site you listed.
California EPA Report Health Effects of Exposure to Environmental Tobacco Smoke (1997):
http://www.oehha.org/air/environmental_tobacco/index.html
http://www5.who.int/tobacco/page.cfm?tld=67#healtheffects
http://www.health.gov.au/nhmrc/publications/synopses/ph23syn.htm
http://www.official-documents.co.uk/document/doh/tobacco/contents.htm
http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/roc/tenth/profiles/s176toba.pdf
http://www.euro.who.int/document/aiq/8_1ets.pdf
http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/may2000/niehs-15.htm

Here is 464 pages of evidence regarding the infamous National Cancer
Institute report;
http://cancercontrol.cancer.gov/tcrb/monographs/10/m10_complete.pdf

Here is a link to a press release by the WHO stating that Phillip Morris &amp; other tobacco companies monitored &amp; actively interfered with the conduct of an international ETS epidemiological study by the WHO; http://www.uicc.org/publ/pr/home/00040701.shtml

and another by the WHO that states that almost HALF the worlds children are endangered by tobacco smoke;
http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/1999/06/F.RU.990629125134.html

If you would like to stay up to date with the WHO, here is the link for it;
http://www.who.int/tobacco/en/

Here is the current status of ETS is at the WHO;
http://www.who.int/tobacco/health_impact/secondhand_smoke/en/

Take note of this quote from within this WHO page;
While the tobacco industry continues to claim that the evidence that
passive smoking causes disease particularly lung cancer is controversial, every independent authoritative scientific body that has examined the evidence has concluded that passive smoking causes many diseases ( Table 1 ). Moreover, the evidence that passive smoking causes disease is not new. The first studies linking passive
smoking with breathing problems in children and lung cancer in adults 20 years or more ago and the studies linking passive smoking and heart disease are over 10 years old.
The tobacco industry attacks the evidence that passive smoking is dangerous because it knows that smokers are reluctant to poison others. Smoke free workplaces, public places, and homes help smokers cut down or stop, which reduces tobacco company sales and profits.

During my research, I have discovered that the
ETS issue is far worse than even I could have imagined.

Oh, and let's don't forget the eleven million plus documents at Tobacco Documents online (http://www.tobaccodocuments.org) that were entered into evidence in the states class action suit against the tobacco companies. These documents were all from the manufacturers themselves.

If the links above are not enough, check out Tobacco Scam (http://www.tobaccoscam.com) website operated by the University of California at San Francisco.

ted harris
01-01-2005, 09:52 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote chefjeff:</font><hr> I merely showed some evidence to the contrary.<hr /></blockquote>
No, you didn't. You showed information from a web site that has direct ties to the tobacco industry.

chefjeff
01-02-2005, 12:42 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote ted harris:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote chefjeff:</font><hr> I merely showed some evidence to the contrary.<hr /></blockquote>
No, you didn't. You showed information from a web site that has direct ties to the tobacco industry. <hr /></blockquote>

If it isn't "to the contrary," then why do you appear to be so upset with it?

Or are you saying the data are wrong, simply because of their source?

Jeff Livingston