View Full Version : Spammers get nine years.
11-05-2004, 12:49 PM
Well, it's about time. This is turning out to be a really good week.
11-05-2004, 12:57 PM
Insane!!! He's in prison for spam,and Ken Lay and the boys from Enron are free. 9 years for a non violent "crime"
Well, there's also a guy doing mandatory life in the Calif. prison system. his third felony....taking the written driver's license exam for his cousin, who could not read English too well....They needed driver's licenses to get a roofing job.
11-05-2004, 01:05 PM
I agree, 9 years is way out of line, even for a spammer. But he'll appeal, the sentence will be reversed, and he'll spend 18 months or so.
I wonder what the guy in cali's first 2 felonies were? Just a little old armed robbery or rape?
11-05-2004, 01:08 PM
Actually I think it was the scams in the spam that got him the long sentence. $400,000 in fraud in one month alone.
11-05-2004, 01:16 PM
Wow! Wasn't he only fined $7500 or something like that?
11-05-2004, 01:33 PM
Here's the rest of this sad story...a juvy conviction for robbery....and a second robbery conviction at age 16-18(?)...he was 28 when convicted of the third heinous offence...I don't know why the juvy thing figured into the equation, but mandatory life for 3 strikes, does not take into account the circumstances. Larry Singleton raped and cut the lower arms off of a young girl, leaving her to die...she survived and he was sentenced to 15 years, the max for that. Compare that with this poor guys crimes.
Larry was released, tried to rape again, and was killed, if my memory serves me
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote highsea:</font><hr> ...
I wonder what the guy in cali's first 2 felonies were? Just a little old armed robbery or rape? <hr /></blockquote>
"Because of a juvenile burglary conviction in 1981 and an adult robbery conviction in 1987, Reyes faced a mandatory sentence of up to life in prison under California's three-strikes law."
In addition to the lack of proportionality in sentencing, taxpayers are now paying for this guys imprisonment for 26 years to life. So I'm guessing about 30k x 26 = $780,000 if he has to serve the full 26 years. He is the father of two children age 1 and 3. So there may be additional social services cost if the mom doesn't work. And the guy had been working and paying taxes, so there is also the loss of state and federal tax revenues.
I have no problem with 3 strikes laws for repeat VIOLENT offenders. But it is rediculous to apply these to non-violent offenses, IMO.
11-05-2004, 01:53 PM
That was his sister. The domains were registered in her name. They got him by tracing the credit card transactions back to him. He was sending out stuff like send in $39.95 and get a job making $75 an hour in your own home as a FedEx refund processor. There were 10,000 of these type transactions in one month. A $7500 fine is a mosquito bite to these people.
People don't realize how much damage illegal computer activities actually do. 75% of all internet e-mail traffic is spam. 90% of all spam comes from 200 known sources. Criminal activities ranging from drug dealing to stock market fraud.
The stock market thing is the one that really burns me. Brokerage houses have picked up on it. There taking worthless penny stocks, buying a bunch of it and spamming secret stock tips telling you to buy it. When the buying drives the price up they dump theirs, the stock collapses and the consumer is left holding the bag. I got one from Bear Stearns just the other day.
All of this hacking/cracking/spamming has a real cost associated with it. I am not sure what the costs are today for all the infrastructure upgrades made neccessary from all this illegal activity. The last time I heard it was already in the billions. And we are the ones that are footing the bill.
11-05-2004, 03:07 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Ross:</font><hr>I have no problem with 3 strikes laws for repeat VIOLENT offenders. But it is rediculous to apply these to non-violent offenses, IMO.
<hr /></blockquote>Ross, I agree with you that 3 strikes should not be applied to non-violent criminals. Burglary may not be considered a violent crime, but robbery is, because there is an implied threat even if no one gets hurt. I have been the victim of both, and the guy that stole my truck last January has yet to go to trial for it. The chances of him actually going to jail or paying reparations are virtually nil.
A good friend of mine was badly beaten and left for dead last month over a bicycle that was left in his yard after his was stolen. He was tasered, then treated to 4 broken ribs, had all his teeth kicked out, and received a punctured lung. The cops know who did it, but the witnesses are afraid to testify because the guy that did it is a gang member. The guy is still walking around the neighborhood. I approached one of their "leaders" right after it happened, and told him that my friend and myself were arming ourselves, and any more trouble would get very violent very quickly. Of course he threatened me also, but so far they have been staying out of our paths.
But I have no sympathy for burglars, robbers, etc.
11-05-2004, 03:14 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote highsea:</font><hr> I approached one of their "leaders" right after it happened, and told him that my friend and myself were arming ourselves, and any more trouble would get very violent very quickly. Of course he threatened me also, but so far they have been staying out of our paths.
But I have no sympathy for burglars, robbers, etc. <hr /></blockquote>
Why in the world would you let your enemies know of your preparations? Now they will realize that they need to "jump you from behind (figuratively)". You've given up the advantage of surprise.
The best thing about a concealed handgun is that nobody else knows you have one.
11-05-2004, 03:37 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SpiderMan:</font><hr>Why in the world would you let your enemies know of your preparations? Now they will realize that they need to "jump you from behind (figuratively)". You've given up the advantage of surprise.<hr /></blockquote>Spiderman, these guys are cowards. My friend weighs all of about 110 lbs., and it took 5 of them to jump him, and still they had to taser him first.
None of these guys are going to sneak up behind me very easily. I put them on notice, and I haven't been shy about letting them know they are being watched. The guy I talked to has made a couple overtures to me, like he wants to make peace, but all I did was nod my head. I don't trust a single one of these punks. But if they know they will meet resistance, they will pick an easier target.
I'm not going to let them strut around my neighborhood like they own the place unchallenged. They are part of a Mexican gang, and I have pretty good relations with the Mexican community in my neighborhood. I play pool with these guys, and there is a mutual respect. Some of the more influential Mexicans in the neighborhood are good friends of mine, so I know the word has been passed.
Like I said, so far the punks are steering clear. If they decide to come after me, so be it. We'll just see what happens I guess, but I'm not going to pretend they didn't jump my friend. I'm not out for revenge, or I wouldn't have said anything. I'm looking to keep this crap away from the locals who are not involved with the gang bangers. Most of the older guys in their circle respect that.
11-06-2004, 09:23 AM
Or, thinks you have one.
Last night I was escorting a young woman to a night club in the downtown party district. A black guy comes up along side me and says "Contrary to popular belief, all black guys do not carry guns."
I said "Yea, old white guys do!"
He left us alone.
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