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9 Ball Girl
11-08-2004, 07:57 AM
Dear Friends,

Ok, it sucks. Really sucks. But before you go and cash it all in, let's, in the words of Monty Python, 'always look on the bright side of life!' There IS some good news from Tuesday's election.

Here are 17 reasons not to slit your wrists:

1. It is against the law for George W. Bush to run for president again.

2. Bush's victory was the NARROWEST win for a sitting president since Woodrow Wilson in 1916.

3. The only age group in which the majority voted for Kerry was young adults (Kerry: 54%, Bush: 44%), proving once again that your parents are always wrong and you should never listen to them.

4. In spite of Bush's win, the majority of Americans still think the country is headed in the wrong direction (56% http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/direction_of_country.html, think the war wasn't worth fighting (51% http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm), and don't approve of the job George W. Bush is doing (52%, http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/bush_ja.html). (Note to foreigners: Don't try to figure this one out. It's an American thing, like Pop Tarts.)

5. The Republicans will not have a filibuster-proof 60-seat majority in the Senate. If the Democrats do their job, Bush won't be able to pack the Supreme Court with right-wing ideologues. Did I say "if the Democrats do their job?" Um, maybe better to scratch this one.

6. Michigan voted for Kerry! So did the entire Northeast, the birthplace of our democracy. So did 6 of the 8 Great Lakes States. And the whole West Coast! Plus Hawaii. Ok, that's a start. We've got most of the fresh water, all of Broadway, and Mt. St. Helens. We can dehydrate them or bury them in lava. And no more show tunes!

7. Once again we are reminded that the buckeye is a nut, and not just any old nut -- a poisonous nut. A great nation was felled by a poisonous nut. May Ohio State pay dearly this Saturday when it faces Michigan.

8. 88% of Bush's support came from white voters. In 50 years, America will no longer have a white majority. Hey, 50 years isn't such a long time! If you're ten years old and reading this, your golden years will be truly golden and you will be well cared for in your old age.

9. Gays, thanks to the ballot measures passed on Tuesday, cannot get married in 11 new states. Thank God. Just think of all those wedding gifts we won't have to buy now.

10. Five more African Americans were elected as members of Congress, including the return of Cynthia McKinney of Georgia. It's always good to have more blacks in there fighting for us and doing the job our candidates can't.

11. The CEO of Coors was defeated for Senate in Colorado. Drink up!

12. Admit it: We like the Bush twins and we don't want them to go away.

13. At the state legislative level, Democrats picked up a net of at least 3 chambers in Tuesday's elections. Of the 98 partisan-controlled state legislative chambers(house/assembly and senate), Democrats went into the 2004 elections in control of 44 chambers, Republicans controlled 53 chambers, and 1 chamber was tied. After Tuesday, Democrats now control 47 chambers, Republicans control 49 chambers, 1 chamber is tied and 1 chamber (Montana House) is still undecided.

14. Bush is now a lame duck president. He will have no greater moment than the one he's having this week. It's all downhill for him from here on out -- and, more significantly, he's just not going to want to do all the hard work that will be expected of him. It'll be like everyone's last month in 12th grade -- you've already made it, so it's party time! Perhaps he'll treat the next four years like a permanent Friday, spending even more time at the ranch or in Kennebunkport. And why shouldn't he? He's already proved his point, avenged his father and kicked our ass.

15. Should Bush decide to show up to work and take this country down a very dark road, it is also just as likely that either of the following two scenarios will happen: a) Now that he doesn't ever need to pander to the Christian conservatives again to get elected, someone may whisper in his ear that he should spend these last four years building "a legacy" so that history will render a kinder verdict on him and thus he will not push for too aggressive a right-wing agenda; or b) He will become so cocky and
arrogant -- and thus, reckless -- that he will commit a blunder of such major proportions that even his own party will have to remove him from office.

16. There are nearly 300 million Americans -- 200 million of them of voting age. We only lost by three and a half million! That's not a landslide -- it means we're almost there. Imagine losing by 20 million. If you had 58 yards
to go before you reached the goal line and then you barreled down 55 of those yards, would you stop on the three yard line, pick up the ball and go home crying -- especially when you get to start the next down on the three
yard line? Of course not! Buck up! Have hope! More sports analogies are coming!!!

17. Finally and most importantly, over 55 million Americans voted for the candidate dubbed "The #1 Liberal in the Senate." That's more than the total number of voters who voted for either Reagan, Bush I, Clinton or Gore. Again, more people voted for Kerry than Reagan. If the media are looking for a trend it should be this -- that so many Americans were, for the first time since Kennedy, willing to vote for an out-and-out liberal. The country has always been filled with evangelicals -- that is not news. What IS news is that so many people have shifted toward a Massachusetts liberal. In fact, that's BIG news. Which means, don't expect the mainstream media, the ones who brought you the Iraq War, to ever report the real truth about November 2, 2004. In fact, it's better that they don't. We'll need the element of surprise in 2008.

Feeling better? I hope so. As my friend Mort wrote me yesterday, "My Romanian grandfather used to say to me, 'Remember, Morton, this is such a wonderful country -- it doesn't even need a president!'"

But it needs us. Rest up, I'll write you again tomorrow.

Yours,
Michael Moore

catscradle
11-08-2004, 08:27 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote 9 Ball Girl:</font><hr> Dear Friends,

Ok, it sucks. Really sucks. But before you go and cash it all in, let's, in the words of Monty Python, 'always look on the bright side of life!' There IS some good news from Tuesday's election.

Here are 17 reasons not to slit your wrists:
...
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All those 17 reasons indicate to me is just how big a loser John Kerry is if all those facts are correct and he still couldn't win.
Personally, I thought it was a lesser of two evils type of choice. Since I live in MA and it always goes democratic, I saw no point in expending the energy to make a choice. Maybe I should move to a state where your vote Democrat or Republican has some impact.

MikeM
11-08-2004, 09:08 AM
Thanks, Wendy. I needed that!

Troy
11-08-2004, 09:17 PM
It is my opinion that each of us EARNS THE RIGHT
to complain about politics by VOTING.

I gather you did NOT bother to VOTE.
'Nuf said !!!

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote catscradle:</font><hr>Personally, I thought it was a lesser of two evils type of choice. Since I live in MA and it always goes democratic, I saw no point in expending the energy to make a choice.
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Sid_Vicious
11-09-2004, 07:50 AM
Bush, through normal tendencies will create even more deteriation to the overall economy and end as a big loser for his party by 2008, and Hillary, who is and has been skated as a runner in 2008, will run all over the Rep runner, just because the country has been raped so badly by the donkeys.

I'm personally looking forward to Mrs. Clinton, she's a lot tougher than people give her credit, and 4 years of the shrub will most surely imo give her a bed in the Whitehouse again, along with hubby Bill as First Gentleman. What a country, huh ;-) sid~~~sees a just reward for all the blind people who ignored the falsities Bush has openly and stubbornly shoved upon all of us

Deeman2
11-09-2004, 08:20 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Sid_Vicious:</font><hr> Bush, through normal tendencies will create even more deteriation to the overall economy and end as a big loser for his party by 2008, and Hillary, who is and has been skated as a runner in 2008, will run all over the Rep runner, just because the country has been raped so badly by the donkeys.

I'm personally looking forward to Mrs. Clinton, she's a lot tougher than people give her credit, and 4 years of the shrub will most surely imo give her a bed in the Whitehouse again, along with hubby Bill as First Gentleman. What a country, huh ;-) sid~~~sees a just reward for all the blind people who ignored the falsities Bush has openly and stubbornly shoved upon all of us <hr /></blockquote>

Sid,

As much as I like and respect you, this view will carry the Democratic Party right down the path the Republican Party is hoping for. If the far left was rejected for whatever lame reasons the pundits are putting forth, the very idea that a further left agenda will pull them out of the nosedive is not the path to recovery. If the worse economy in 30 years, the most divisive war in 40 years and the most hated President in American history doesn't get a man elected who made the overnight conversion to moderate into office; how in the world will a more liberal view appeal to the "dumb masses" that rejected it this time.

Believe me, I am committed to supporting Hillary up until the democratic primaries are over, as most Republicans are. But you can't seriously think she will be elected, do you? I would be willing to make a nitless wager at the non-vegan restaurant of your choice on this. I admit, she's a tough lady. She has more spunk than most. She is not as bright as Bill but has too much baggage to ever run an effective salvo in the South and Midwest. I do believe our first woman president and our first minority president are lurking out there but it ain't her. You guys better hook up on Harold Ford and remap your agenda.

However, I could be wrong. Hillary in 2008! Hey, could Bill run as VP? Is that constitutional?

Deeman

Sid_Vicious
11-09-2004, 01:16 PM
"Hillary in 2008! Hey, could Bill run as VP?"

Could she win? Oh yea, and after this next four years she'll have even more personal appeal from the unhappy voters today, and new unhappy voters to come, some converts from tha last election even. Bill would electrify the VP's seat, would THAT not be a prime situation in our history!? Bill would probably reject the idea, but maybe not. He IS a show-off as we know.

My point in the message was that another four years of the same is just what Hillary, who has gained a lot of personal admiration IMO, needs, to bolt her into the presidential race as one of my personal favorites(yes you heard that right.) I guess I'm unclear just why people seem to find Hillary winning so bizzare in the first place? If Bush can somehow get through 4 years and end it all as less than "the worst" he is today in terms of this sucky economy and angry world opinion and somehow stitch back this country's "great divide", avoiding instituting a draft and somehow maintaining himself in his almost certain false statements to come(not getting caught red handed), then Hillary will have a battle with whomever the Reps run. My guess is that the leopard won't change his spots, Bush will F-up even more with big money favors, this country will end in worse shape than after this past 4 years, wallah! Hillary and maybe Bill for VP. I feel that'd be an exciting ticket for the Dems after such a waning performance of recent. Besides all that, I honestly think she'll be a good leader of this country. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

The subject of personal liking between those here and elsewhere from the opposite side of the political roles after this particular election, I'll have to admit that I am very polarized, not to mean I quit certain friends mind you, but I am slim to none going to be unblemished in the aftermath of it all, simply because I feel danger and doom, and equate those whom I THOUGHT I related to in general, those boisterous post election results braggarts and the blind-eyed, deaf-eared projections, which many of them continue to present,,,well I have a different viewpoint now of various people.

So we'll see how it all shakes out in 4 years. It might get real intereting in the end...sid~~~be surprised if Bill has an interest, but just maybe.......

hondo
11-09-2004, 01:40 PM
No! No! Not Hillary! There's nothing American men
hate more than an intelligent, confidant woman.
She cannot win!

Wally_in_Cincy
11-09-2004, 01:41 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Sid_Vicious:</font><hr> "Hillary in 2008! Hey, could Bill run as VP?"

Could she win? Oh yea, and after this next four years she'll have even more personal appeal from the unhappy voters today, and new unhappy voters to come, some converts from tha last election even.

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Sid, I know this is hard but you are going to have to accept the fact that the majority of people in this country do not think the same as you, based on last week's election.

SpiderMan
11-09-2004, 01:50 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote hondo:</font><hr> No! No! Not Hillary! There's nothing American men
hate more than an intelligent, confidant woman.
She cannot win! <hr /></blockquote>

Not true - I'd vote for Condi Rice.

SpiderMan

Wally_in_Cincy
11-09-2004, 01:55 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote hondo:</font><hr> No! No! Not Hillary! There's nothing American men
hate more than an intelligent, confidant woman.
She cannot win! <hr /></blockquote>

hondo, she is a liberal shrew. Not a good choice to run for Prez.

9 Ball Girl
11-09-2004, 02:23 PM
I was too young to vote back then and didn't really care what went on, but what was Geraldine Ferraro's deal? And Mandell, right?

Chopstick
11-09-2004, 02:28 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SpiderMan:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote hondo:</font><hr> No! No! Not Hillary! There's nothing American men
hate more than an intelligent, confidant woman.
She cannot win! <hr /></blockquote>

Not true - I'd vote for Condi Rice.

SpiderMan <hr /></blockquote>

Ditto for me. Most of the women I meet can't even operate my TV. Then one day I saw a new girlfriend working the remote with her toes. I thought well, this is a pleasent suprise, not only is she smarter than the others she can even do it with her toes. Turns out the reason she was doing it was because she was too lazy to reach over and pick the thing up. Oh well, next!

Wally_in_Cincy
11-10-2004, 06:18 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote 9 Ball Girl:</font><hr> I was too young to vote back then and didn't really care what went on, but what was Geraldine Ferraro's deal? <hr /></blockquote>

In 1984 Geraldine Ferraro was Walter Mondale's runnung mate. I think she was a prominent congresswoman at the time.

There was nothing wrong with her. The problem was Mondale. He was a liberal and the conservative Reagan Revolution was in full swing.

His famous quote from a debate:

<font color="red">"Whoever is elected will raise your taxes. President Reagan won't tell you that, but I will" </font color>

That's not what folks wanted to hear. Historically it's usually not a good idea to promise higher taxes in a campaign.

Gayle in MD
11-12-2004, 01:33 PM
Hey woman, How ya doin'? Thanks, you made my day! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Gayle in Md.
Hope I'm still around in four years for all the "Told ya so's" when Little Bushy finishes making his messes.

Gayle in MD
11-12-2004, 01:36 PM
Hey Sid, ya know, I think you've got something friend. Unfortunately, unlike others, I believe her when she says she has no interest in running. Her party might channge her mind though.

How bout Hillary and Obama, now that would be a first in more ways then one! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Gayle In Md.

Sid_Vicious
11-12-2004, 03:34 PM
Gayle...I was not aware she had reaffirmed 2008 was still out of her mind. Later...sid

Ross
11-12-2004, 04:02 PM
Just for the record, Mondale was right - Reagan did raise their taxes. The public loves to complain that politicians aren't honest, but if they do tell the truth they don't vote for them.

Perk
11-15-2004, 10:36 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote 9 Ball Girl:</font><hr> May Ohio State pay dearly this Saturday when it faces Michigan.
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Woohoo..Go Blue!