silverbullet
11-12-2004, 12:50 PM
In Gayle’s very popular,’ separation of church and state thread’, this was mentioned, but it deserves its own focus .It is a huge issue already, is going to get even bigger, and if you know ‘civil right trends’, the gays will win after much litigation, constitutions and laws challenged at the state and federal level etc. It may take years, but the gays will win.
I found this link, this is enormous and no way I could copy all of it, nor post it all. It talks about laws, polls, in various states as well as what is going on with this in Canada and other countries. So here is the link:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_marr_menu.htm#menu
This was a link from the following site, which was one that came up in search relating to ‘separation of church and state’:
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/
When I first became a Christian at the age of 23, I studied the Bible voraciously.I quickly ran into the hateful things said about gays, by these so called Christians, not just verses read. Even though I was not gay, it threw me into a tailspin and my emotional reaction was violent. I thought God was about love not hate; I screamed at this 'spirit' God and told him I hated him. Other things happened to deepen my anger at brutally cruel injustices that I saw, and finally meeting gay people,I knew I was right. There were now faces and human beings behind my convictions. I do not claim to know everything, but I knew cruelty when I saw it, and this was the driving force propelling me to leave the organized Christian church.
I eventually found out there was nothing wrong with the 'god of my understanding',that even the verses I had seen were incorrect translations from the greek, but I was alone with what I believed, wanting nothing to do with 'them' nor their religion of hate. I rarely called myself Christian, because I was not of 'them', and even wondered at times what the word 'Christian' meant. I now know that there are a few Christians and a few denominations on the liberal side of that faith which are exceptions, but by the time I found them, it was too late. I had already left.
But if you are gay, now that this marriage issue has come up, support seems to be coming from the most unlikely places. I am hearing from older people, even, claiming to be conservatives, yet support all gay rights, including marriage. The opinion of many, seeming to be, ‘what does what they do have to do with me? Why shouldn’t they be allowed to be happy?' History will show that it is the haters who are the worst 'sinners',not to speak of the fact that their hate is based on lies. You will win in court, but it is my hope that you will win also in human hearts.
sb
I found this link, this is enormous and no way I could copy all of it, nor post it all. It talks about laws, polls, in various states as well as what is going on with this in Canada and other countries. So here is the link:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_marr_menu.htm#menu
This was a link from the following site, which was one that came up in search relating to ‘separation of church and state’:
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/
When I first became a Christian at the age of 23, I studied the Bible voraciously.I quickly ran into the hateful things said about gays, by these so called Christians, not just verses read. Even though I was not gay, it threw me into a tailspin and my emotional reaction was violent. I thought God was about love not hate; I screamed at this 'spirit' God and told him I hated him. Other things happened to deepen my anger at brutally cruel injustices that I saw, and finally meeting gay people,I knew I was right. There were now faces and human beings behind my convictions. I do not claim to know everything, but I knew cruelty when I saw it, and this was the driving force propelling me to leave the organized Christian church.
I eventually found out there was nothing wrong with the 'god of my understanding',that even the verses I had seen were incorrect translations from the greek, but I was alone with what I believed, wanting nothing to do with 'them' nor their religion of hate. I rarely called myself Christian, because I was not of 'them', and even wondered at times what the word 'Christian' meant. I now know that there are a few Christians and a few denominations on the liberal side of that faith which are exceptions, but by the time I found them, it was too late. I had already left.
But if you are gay, now that this marriage issue has come up, support seems to be coming from the most unlikely places. I am hearing from older people, even, claiming to be conservatives, yet support all gay rights, including marriage. The opinion of many, seeming to be, ‘what does what they do have to do with me? Why shouldn’t they be allowed to be happy?' History will show that it is the haters who are the worst 'sinners',not to speak of the fact that their hate is based on lies. You will win in court, but it is my hope that you will win also in human hearts.
sb