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Wally_in_Cincy
11-30-2004, 10:41 AM
<font color="blue">crap like this makes the Dems look stupid.

I would call this "out of the mainstream"</font color>

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20041124-1309-life-declaration.html

1:09 p.m. November 24, 2004
LOS ANGELES A California teacher has been barred by his school from giving students documents from American history that refer to God including the Declaration of Independence.

Steven Williams, a fifth-grade teacher at Stevens Creek School in the San Francisco Bay area suburb of Cupertino, sued for discrimination Monday, claiming he had been singled out for censorship by principal Patricia Vidmar because he is a Christian.

"It's a fact of American history that our founders were religious men, and to hide this fact from young fifth-graders in the name of political correctness is outrageous and shameful," said Williams' attorney, Terry Thompson.

"Williams wants to teach his students the true history of our country," he said. "There is nothing in the Establishment Clause (of the U.S. Constitution) that prohibits a teacher from showing students the Declaration of Independence."

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Williams asserts in the lawsuit that since May he has been required to submit all of his lesson plans and supplemental handouts to Vidmar for approval, and that the principal will not permit him to use any that contain references to God or Christianity.


Among the materials she has rejected, according to Williams, are excerpts from the Declaration of Independence, George Washington's journal, John Adams' diary, Samuel Adams' "The Rights of the Colonists" and William Penn's "The Frame of Government of Pennsylvania."

"He hands out a lot of material and perhaps 5 to 10 percent refers to God and Christianity because that's what the founders wrote," said Thompson, a lawyer for the Alliance Defense Fund, which advocates for religious freedom. "The principal seems to be systematically censoring material that refers to Christianity and it is pure discrimination."

<font color="blue">I'm sure Ross has the other side of the story /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif </font color>

hondo
11-30-2004, 01:26 PM
I'm lost. What does this have to do with democrats?

wolfdancer
11-30-2004, 01:32 PM
it's insane, but not sure you can blanket blame the Demos

Wally_in_Cincy
11-30-2004, 01:48 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> it's insane, but not sure you can blanket blame the Demos <hr /></blockquote>

This kind of stuff tends to come from the Left, consequently the American people blame the Dems. That's why Kerry lost.

wolfdancer
11-30-2004, 02:06 PM
"This is why Kerry lost"???
Is this a valid deductive argument, or circular reasoning?

What's the difference between a valid deductive argument and a fallacy? In the case of the fallacy of circular reasoning, the difference is not be as obvious as you might expect. In the fallacy of circular reasoning, which is often called begging the question, you assume to be true what you are supposed to be proving. But that's also true for all valid deductions, where the conclusion (what you are trying to prove) is derived from the premises or assumptions. This difference is that, in circular reasoning, the conclusion is contained in a single premise or assumption, while in a deductive argument the conclusion is derived from both premises.

nhp
11-30-2004, 03:42 PM
uh, this happens with Bush in office, not Kerry. What would Kerry have to do with this? Why would the democracts lose because of this, but Bush is in office and it happens? Don't you just love our federal system?