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Sid_Vicious
12-16-2004, 11:02 AM
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1216/p01s01-usmi.html

eg8r
12-16-2004, 11:13 AM
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The number of officers wanting to resign from the Army Reserve has jumped as well. And according to a recent report on CBS's "60 Minutes," the Defense Department acknowledges that more than 5,500 service personnel have deserted since the Iraq war began. <hr /></blockquote> One report citing another. Where is the original data coming from? I wonder if Dan Rather was all to eager to pass on his information? /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

So Sid, what is your point? Do you have anything to say/add?

eg8r

hondo
12-16-2004, 11:22 AM
Eg, don't you just hate it when reports come out
that disturb your neat little picture of the world.
The U. S. soldiers willingly converting all those
Islamic savages into Christians eagerly adopting
the American ways if not our lifestyle.

crawdaddio
12-16-2004, 11:25 AM
Yes, I think he does.

Chopstick
12-16-2004, 01:04 PM
Let's take a look at the sources quoted in this report.

CBS's "60 Minutes,": Forget them.

Friends Committee on National Legislation: This is a Quaker Lobby Group

National Institute of Military Justice: This is a group of eight lawyers. Who knows what they are up to.

Senator John McCain (R) of Arizona: I wonder about that guy.

CNN: Forget them too.

Independent Institute in Oakland, Calif.: Guys this one looks pretty good. It's non-political. I could take these guys seriously. Looks there's some good information in there.

http://www.independent.org/aboutus/

DickLeonard
12-16-2004, 04:29 PM
Eg8r I still think the way to solve the war is to draft only enrolled Republicans. We have boobs running the war, we might as well have them fighting the war. I think of how much money we wasted teaching the President to fly jets and then send National guardsmen with garbage for equipment to fight a real war.

Spend billions on laser garbage and a lady with bomb strapped to her belly kills 20. Dick

One
12-16-2004, 05:35 PM
Why did they join the army if they were not ready to die? If you join the army and kill innocent people you deserve to die anyway.
I can't think of anything more stupid than army. Loyalty and respect?? How can you get respect for killing innocent people and being selfish and only care of their own country or team. I guess it is just a friend thing where they hang out with their friends and go out and kill some innocent people.
/ccboard/images/graemlins/mad.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Sid_Vicious
12-16-2004, 07:58 PM
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SecaucusFats
12-16-2004, 09:54 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote One:</font><hr> Why did they join the army if they were not ready to die?
<font color="blue">Soldiers and Marines don't go to war to die for their country, they go to war to make the other son of a bitch die for his country. </font color>

If you join the army and kill innocent people you deserve to die anyway.

<font color="blue">Are you so idiotic that you truly believe that American fighting men are going around just willy-nilly killing innocent civilians?
</font color>

I can't think of anything more stupid than army.

<font color="blue">It was an Army that gave the US its' freedom and it was armies that stopped Hitler from taking over the world and murdering untold millions you spineless dimwit. </font color>


Loyalty and respect?? How can you get respect for killing innocent people and being selfish and only care of their own country or team.

<font color="blue">Again, you are a brainless, gutless, worthless idiot. The freedom you have today was paid for in the blood of far better men than you, you cretin. </font color>

I guess it is just a friend thing where they hang out with their friends and go out and kill some innocent people.

<font color="blue">If you have a problem with the US then by all means get the f*ck out and don't let the door hit you on the way out you worthless POS! </font color>


/ccboard/images/graemlins/mad.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/frown.gif <hr /></blockquote>

SF

nhp
12-16-2004, 10:43 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SecaucusFats:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote One:</font><hr> Why did they join the army if they were not ready to die?
<font color="blue">Soldiers and Marines don't go to war to die for their country, they go to war to make the other son of a bitch die for his country. </font color>

If you join the army and kill innocent people you deserve to die anyway.

<font color="blue">Are you so idiotic that you truly believe that American fighting men are going around just willy-nilly killing innocent civilians?
</font color>

I can't think of anything more stupid than army.

<font color="blue">It was an Army that gave the US its' freedom and it was armies that stopped Hitler from taking over the world and murdering untold millions you spineless dimwit. </font color>


Loyalty and respect?? How can you get respect for killing innocent people and being selfish and only care of their own country or team.

<font color="blue">Again, you are a brainless, gutless, worthless idiot. The freedom you have today was paid for in the blood of far better men than you, you cretin. </font color>

I guess it is just a friend thing where they hang out with their friends and go out and kill some innocent people.

<font color="blue">If you have a problem with the US then by all means get the f*ck out and don't let the door hit you on the way out you worthless POS! </font color>


/ccboard/images/graemlins/mad.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/frown.gif <hr /></blockquote>

SF <hr /></blockquote>

SF- Best post ever.

highsea
12-16-2004, 11:33 PM
You're wasting your time SF. It's just that eurotrash nutjob POS from Sweden, Patrick.

You remember Sweden? The country that refused to let England and France to transport troops through their country in WW2 to help their neighbor Finland?

Yeah, good ol' Sweden, They sat by and watched Germany occupy Denmark and Norway, then when the Nazis started getting their butts kicked, Sweden allowed them to transport over two million troops on their railways to escape the allies.

Yup, big brave Sweden. Neutral country. Large scale exports of iron ore to Germany throughout the war. It was probably the main reason for the German occupation of Norway, since the iron was shipped out from Narvik, and the English started mining that area to stop the iron export. Of course Sweden ignored that Germany made guns from the iron.

Yeah, One, us Americans are really ashamed of ourselves.

Go back to your gay porn, Patty, and leave us alone. We don't need your advice.

-CM

One
12-17-2004, 12:29 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SecaucusFats:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote One:</font><hr> Why did they join the army if they were not ready to die?
<font color="blue">Soldiers and Marines don't go to war to die for their country, they go to war to make the other son of a bitch die for his country. </font color>

If you join the army and kill innocent people you deserve to die anyway.

<font color="blue">Are you so idiotic that you truly believe that American fighting men are going around just willy-nilly killing innocent civilians?
</font color>

I can't think of anything more stupid than army.

<font color="blue">It was an Army that gave the US its' freedom and it was armies that stopped Hitler from taking over the world and murdering untold millions you spineless dimwit. </font color>


Loyalty and respect?? How can you get respect for killing innocent people and being selfish and only care of their own country or team.

<font color="blue">Again, you are a brainless, gutless, worthless idiot. The freedom you have today was paid for in the blood of far better men than you, you cretin. </font color>

I guess it is just a friend thing where they hang out with their friends and go out and kill some innocent people.

<font color="blue">If you have a problem with the US then by all means get the f*ck out and don't let the door hit you on the way out you worthless POS! </font color>


/ccboard/images/graemlins/mad.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/frown.gif <hr /></blockquote>

SF <hr /></blockquote>
You must be in the army.
It is almost impossible to make you understand.

One
12-17-2004, 01:44 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote highsea:</font><hr> You're wasting your time SF. It's just that eurotrash nutjob POS from Sweden, Patrick.

You remember Sweden? The country that refused to let England and France to transport troops through their country in WW2 to help their neighbor Finland?

Yeah, good ol' Sweden, They sat by and watched Germany occupy Denmark and Norway, then when the Nazis started getting their butts kicked, Sweden allowed them to transport over two million troops on their railways to escape the allies.

Yup, big brave Sweden. Neutral country. Large scale exports of iron ore to Germany throughout the war. It was probably the main reason for the German occupation of Norway, since the iron was shipped out from Narvik, and the English started mining that area to stop the iron export. Of course Sweden ignored that Germany made guns from the iron.

Yeah, One, us Americans are really ashamed of ourselves.

Go back to your gay porn, Patty, and leave us alone. We don't need your advice.

-CM <hr /></blockquote>
Countries are meaningless.
Everyone who owns a country flag are evil, because they only care of their own country and are ready to kill other people for it. They think the other country is the enemy. The more I think of army the more stupid it gets.

One
12-17-2004, 01:52 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SecaucusFats:</font><hr> <font color="blue">Again, you are a brainless, gutless, worthless idiot. The freedom you have today was paid for in the blood of far better men than you, you cretin. </font color> <hr /></blockquote>
You think freedom is killing people in another country so they can't fight back? You think freedom is making your country stronger and other countries weaker? People like you are even worse than Usama Bin Laden!

To truly be free you don't need armies, nobody does. Everyone should be treated as equals. There should be no money. Everyone should care of someone else more than they care of theirselves, that is what I do.

One
12-17-2004, 01:56 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SecaucusFats:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote One:</font><hr> Why did they join the army if they were not ready to die?
<font color="blue">Soldiers and Marines don't go to war to die for their country, they go to war to make the other son of a bitch die for his country. </font color> <hr /></blockquote>
If I said what you said I would kill myself instantly.

One
12-17-2004, 02:01 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SecaucusFats:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote One:</font><hr> If you join the army and kill innocent people you deserve to die anyway.

<font color="blue">Are you so idiotic that you truly believe that American fighting men are going around just willy-nilly killing innocent civilians?
</font color> <hr /></blockquote>
Soldiers don't know who is innocent, they just follow orders. They don't care of anyone else except the people in their own country. That is why they are so evil.

Gayle in MD
12-17-2004, 06:36 AM
pssst, I love you Dick /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Love,
Gayle

Wally_in_Cincy
12-17-2004, 06:56 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote DickLeonard:</font><hr> Spend billions on laser garbage and a lady with bomb strapped to her belly kills 20. Dick <hr /></blockquote>

####, I usually don't respond to your political posts because I know where you're coming from. But just for the record, that "laser garbage" has saved thousands of lives, military and civilian, by targeting bombs specifically to the building they are intended for.

oh never mind

eg8r
12-17-2004, 06:59 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Eg8r I still think the way to solve the war is to draft only enrolled Republicans. We have boobs running the war, we might as well have them fighting the war. <hr /></blockquote> With the Dems huge effort to not count military votes you would think this has already happened.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
12-17-2004, 07:24 AM
Whether they' Dems or Repubs Ed, they are still our boys. What do you think of a Commander &amp; Chief who sends our boys overthere without the tools to do the job they were sent to perform? Extends thier serving time just so he can stand up there and promise no draft so that he can assure his own re-election? Get's rid of all the experts on the Middle East, advisors and Generals who Try to warn him of his impending mistake, and misguided decisions?

Bush is the worst president of my lifetime!

Gayle in Md.

hondo
12-17-2004, 07:48 AM
C,mon, one, you're just stirring up crap. You don't
believe what you wrote. Right wingers, don't link
me with this guy. He sounds like yappinwolf but
doesn't spell as well.

quote=One] Why did they join the army if they were not ready to die? If you join the army and kill innocent people you deserve to die anyway.
I can't think of anything more stupid than army. Loyalty and respect?? How can you get respect for killing innocent people and being selfish and only care of their own country or team. I guess it is just a friend thing where they hang out with their friends and go out and kill some innocent people.
/ccboard/images/graemlins/mad.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/frown.gif <hr /></blockquote>

SecaucusFats
12-17-2004, 08:07 AM
<hr /></blockquote>
You must be in the army.
It is almost impossible to make you understand.
<hr /></blockquote>

I am most certainly not in the army. I am a former active duty US Marine, and with all due respect to the brave men and women of the US Army, there is a difference.

I qualified expert with the M-16 rifle and with the M-1911 .45 pistol every one of the four years I served. BTW, Marines are the only branch of the US Armed Forces that include firing from 500 yards with iron sights (no scope) as part of the rifle qualification process (all to ensure that I could hit and kill the enemy, for that is what Marines do).

I have no desire to understand your deluded pacifist Eurotrash drivel.

I have this framed and hanging on the wall by my desk at home:

<font color="red">Marine, By God!

The USMC is over 245 years of romping, stomping, hell, death, and destruction. The finest fighting machine the world has ever seen.

We were born in a bomb crater, our mother was an M-16 and our father was the Devil. Each moment that I live is an additional threat upon your life.

I am a rough looking, roving, soldier of the sea. I am cocky, self-centered, overbearing, and I do not know the meaning of fear, for I am fear itself. I am a green, amphibious monster made of blood and guts which arose from the sea, feasting on anti-Americans throughout the globe.

Whenever it may arise, and when my time comes, I will die a glorious death on the battlefield, giving my life to Mom, the Corps, and the American flag.

We stole the eagle from the Air Force, the anchor from the Navy, and the rope from the Army. On the 7th day, while God rested, we over-ran His perimeter and stole the f*cking globe, and we've been running the show ever since. We live like soldiers, talk like sailors, and slap the hell out of both of them! Soldier by day, lover by night, drunkard by choice, MARINE BY GOD!!!

“Semper Fidelis”

Mexico, Tripoli, Nicaragua, World War I, World War II, Korea, Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Lebanon, Grenada, Persian Gulf, Afghanistan, Iraq

“Uncommon Valor Was A Common Virtue.”—Adm. Chester Nimitz, USN

</font color>

SF

SecaucusFats
12-17-2004, 08:12 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote highsea:</font><hr> You're wasting your time SF. It's just that eurotrash nutjob POS from Sweden, Patrick.

-CM <hr /></blockquote>

Thanks for the heads up!

I think I'll yank his chain for a bit to see him squirm like the slimy little maggot that he is. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

SF

Wally_in_Cincy
12-17-2004, 08:13 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Whether they' Dems or Repubs Ed, they are still our boys. What do you think of a Commander &amp; Chief who sends our boys overthere without the tools to do the job they were sent to perform? ... <hr /></blockquote>

You are correct Gayle. I did not like it at all when Clinton and Les Aspin did not send the requested armor to Somalia, fearing it would look bad.

Rich R.
12-17-2004, 08:38 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr>
Bush is the worst president of my lifetime! <hr /></blockquote>
Which President Bush are you referring to? /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Oh, wait a minute. It doesn't matter. /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif

SecaucusFats
12-17-2004, 08:47 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote One:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote SecaucusFats:</font><hr> <font color="blue">Again, you are a brainless, gutless, worthless idiot. The freedom you have today was paid for in the blood of far better men than you, you cretin. </font color> <hr /></blockquote>
You think freedom is killing people in another country so they can't fight back?
<font color="blue">Better to kill them in their own country than to kill them here. </font color>

You think freedom is making your country stronger and other countries weaker?

<font color="blue">Yes, and it worked pretty well on the former Soviet Union didn't it? Or perhaps Sweden would have been better off as an enslaved satellite state of the old "evil empire"? Ask the Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Latvians, Lithuanians, and Estonians, if they are glad that we pursued a policy of weaking and containing the Soviets. </font color>

People like you are even worse than Usama Bin Laden!

<font color="blue">Yeah.."people like me" crashed civilian airliners into buildings, "people like me" murdered hundreds in Madrid, "people like me" plotted the aborted chemical weapons attack in Jordan which would have killed tens of thousands, and I suppose it's "people like me" who sought and obtained a fatwa blessing the use of nuclear, biological, and/or chemical weapons against the "infidels". Yeah..people like me are worse than Usama, right? </font color>

To truly be free you don't need armies, nobody does. Everyone should be treated as equals. There should be no money. Everyone should care of someone else more than they care of theirselves, that is what I do.

<font color="blue">Oh please! That X you're taking is frying your brain. Get out into the real world and stop living in your drug induced fantasy world. </font color>


<hr /></blockquote>

SF

SecaucusFats
12-17-2004, 09:21 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote One:</font><hr> <hr /></blockquote>

Soldiers don't know who is innocent, they just follow orders. They don't care of anyone else except the people in their own country. That is why they are so evil.

<hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue">If indiscriminate killing were the goal, we could have done so very effectively and at far less cost in lives and money by using B52's and plain old iron "dumb" bombs to reduce every last city, town, village and hut in Iraq to rubble.

US soldiers and Marines are disciplined professionals, they go to great lengths to avoid killing civilians but unfortunately, collateral damage, and "friendly fire" casualties can and will occur. An order to massacre civilians would be unlawful and cannot be obeyed (as the Germans found out at the end of WWII)any officer issuing such an order and any soldier operating under such orders would be subject to the death penalty under the US military's Uniform Code of Military Justice.

</font color>

SF

hondo
12-17-2004, 09:33 AM
Amen to that, Sister. And I thought EL BJ was bad.

Bush is the worst president of my lifetime!

Gayle in Md. <hr /></blockquote>

DickLeonard
12-17-2004, 10:12 AM
National Guardsmen are usually trained in Homeland task,riot control,floods,hurricanes.The two weeks a year training has very little with to do with war.

In NY, the Guard was filled by offering paid College Educ for a term of the guard. Most of those who accepted that program did so thinking that the National Guard was just that the National Guard. If they thought they might have to give their life for a college edu, they might have suffered with the student loans.####

eg8r
12-17-2004, 10:58 AM
[ QUOTE ]
C,mon, one, you're just stirring up crap. You don't
believe what you wrote. Right wingers, don't link
me with this guy. He sounds like yappinwolf but
doesn't spell as well. <hr /></blockquote> You have to ignore patty, his posts are purely comical and meant to get a rise out of the reader.

eg8r

eg8r
12-17-2004, 11:01 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Whether they' Dems or Repubs Ed, they are still our boys <hr /></blockquote> I am not interested in reading anymore if you are going to rant again about Bush. #### was making a joke (even if he meant it) and I was responding in the same way. The dems tried to block their votes from being counted, this leads to only one reason, the majority of them supported Bush. This would leave any lefty to believe those votes would be republican.

**edit**
Alright, I decided against better judgement to read the rest of your post. Are you purposely ignoring the subject matter of my post? Your post has absolutely zero relevance.

eg8r

hondo
12-17-2004, 12:22 PM
Thanks, eg. Oh, and Merry Christmas.

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> &lt;/font&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;
C,mon, one, you're just stirring up crap. You don't
believe what you wrote. Right wingers, don't link
me with this guy. He sounds like yappinwolf but
doesn't spell as well. <hr /></blockquote> You have to ignore patty, his posts are purely comical and meant to get a rise out of the reader.

eg8r <hr /></blockquote>

eg8r
12-17-2004, 12:44 PM
No problem. Merry Christmas to you also.

eg8r

Wally_in_Cincy
12-17-2004, 12:51 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote hondo:</font><hr> Thanks, eg. Oh, and Merry Christmas. <hr /></blockquote>

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> No problem. Merry Christmas to you also.

eg8r <hr /></blockquote>

Oh my. We'll be playing soccer in no-man's-land by the end of next week /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

eg8r
12-17-2004, 01:16 PM
No soccer for me. I am so out of shape I would not be able to run around the field. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

One
12-17-2004, 03:14 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SecaucusFats:</font><hr> <hr /></blockquote>
You must be in the army.
It is almost impossible to make you understand.
<hr /></blockquote>

I am most certainly not in the army. I am a former active duty US Marine, and with all due respect to the brave men and women of the US Army, there is a difference.

I qualified expert with the M-16 rifle and with the M-1911 .45 pistol every one of the four years I served. BTW, Marines are the only branch of the US Armed Forces that include firing from 500 yards with iron sights (no scope) as part of the rifle qualification process (all to ensure that I could hit and kill the enemy, for that is what Marines do).

I have no desire to understand your deluded pacifist Eurotrash drivel.

I have this framed and hanging on the wall by my desk at home:

<font color="red">Marine, By God!

The USMC is over 245 years of romping, stomping, hell, death, and destruction. The finest fighting machine the world has ever seen.

We were born in a bomb crater, our mother was an M-16 and our father was the Devil. Each moment that I live is an additional threat upon your life.

I am a rough looking, roving, soldier of the sea. I am cocky, self-centered, overbearing, and I do not know the meaning of fear, for I am fear itself. I am a green, amphibious monster made of blood and guts which arose from the sea, feasting on anti-Americans throughout the globe.

Whenever it may arise, and when my time comes, I will die a glorious death on the battlefield, giving my life to Mom, the Corps, and the American flag.

We stole the eagle from the Air Force, the anchor from the Navy, and the rope from the Army. On the 7th day, while God rested, we over-ran His perimeter and stole the f*cking globe, and we've been running the show ever since. We live like soldiers, talk like sailors, and slap the hell out of both of them! Soldier by day, lover by night, drunkard by choice, MARINE BY GOD!!!

“Semper Fidelis”

Mexico, Tripoli, Nicaragua, World War I, World War II, Korea, Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Lebanon, Grenada, Persian Gulf, Afghanistan, Iraq

“Uncommon Valor Was A Common Virtue.”—Adm. Chester Nimitz, USN

</font color>

SF
<hr /></blockquote>

WOW, it is worse than I thought. /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

highsea
12-17-2004, 04:13 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote One:</font><hr>"Intelligence is conscious neutral understanding of potential truth" - One<hr /></blockquote>
Just drink your kool-aid and put us all out of our misery, troll. Our women have more balls than you ever will.

http://img31.exs.cx/img31/7154/soldier6.jpg

http://electroniciraq.net/uploads/two-women-and-hummer525.jpg

One
12-17-2004, 04:35 PM
Soldiers think they do "the right thing". But they don't know what it is, they don't think deep enough into the future, like in chess.

"Existence is like an endless game of chess without an ending" - One

Cueless Joey
12-17-2004, 05:48 PM
Existence is like an endless game of chess without an ending" - One
Shouldn't that be, " like an endless game of chess with an ending"??????

One
12-17-2004, 06:10 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Cueless Joey:</font><hr> Existence is like an endless game of chess without an ending" - One
Shouldn't that be, " like an endless game of chess with an ending"?????? <hr /></blockquote>
There is no beginning or end in existence, because everything already exists and will always exist.

Cueless Joey
12-17-2004, 09:51 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote One:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Cueless Joey:</font><hr> Existence is like an endless game of chess without an ending" - One
Shouldn't that be, " like an endless game of chess with an ending"?????? <hr /></blockquote>
There is no beginning or end in existence, because everything already exists and will always exist.
<hr /></blockquote>
That can only be God.
St Thomas Aquinas

nhp
12-18-2004, 06:28 PM
LOL you dummy, only God has no beginning and no end. The universe is NOT of infinite age. If it was, the night sky would not be dark (Olber's Paradox).

Chopstick
12-19-2004, 09:39 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote nhp:</font><hr> LOL you dummy, only God has no beginning and no end. The universe is NOT of infinite age. If it was, the night sky would not be dark (Olber's Paradox). <hr /></blockquote>

I think they solved this paradox.
<font color="blue">
The lifetime of a star is about 10 to the 10th years. The years for the Universe to reach thermal equilibrium is about 10 to the 24th years. Many stars have been born, lived, and died already. Basically at any one time there are not enough stars active to fill the space of the Universe with enough radiation to light the night sky. </font color>

Not that I don't think that Une is a nut job but, current cosmological theory does point to time and existance being infinite.

Chopstick
12-19-2004, 09:43 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote One:</font><hr> "Existence is like an endless game of chess without an ending" - One
<hr /></blockquote>
"All life is a blur of Republicans and meat." - Zippy the Pinhead

nhp
12-19-2004, 06:27 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Chopstick:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote nhp:</font><hr> LOL you dummy, only God has no beginning and no end. The universe is NOT of infinite age. If it was, the night sky would not be dark (Olber's Paradox). <hr /></blockquote>

I think they solved this paradox.
<font color="blue">
The lifetime of a star is about 10 to the 10th years. The years for the Universe to reach thermal equilibrium is about 10 to the 24th years. Many stars have been born, lived, and died already. Basically at any one time there are not enough stars active to fill the space of the Universe with enough radiation to light the night sky. </font color>

Not that I don't think that Une is a nut job but, current cosmological theory does point to time and existance being infinite. <hr /></blockquote>

Actually Olber's paradox was based on false assumptions, and yes they did solve it, which is why it has been proven false. Astronomers have proven that the universe is not of infinite age nor static. If it were, than the night sky would be just as bright as the surface of the average star. We know the universe is not of infinite age, because we still see it expanding all around us.

DickLeonard
12-20-2004, 06:57 AM
Wally I don't think you know where I am coming from, so here it is I have two brothers retired servicemen. The busines of the United States is War.

When you read that on 2/15/00 GB wanted his Asst.Security advisor to get a reason to go to war with Irag we have become a Hitler Nation.

After 9/11 when 15 of 18 were Saudis, instead of freezing the 900 Billion Dollars of their money in our banks. The Idiot puts all the Ben Ladens on Airplanes and ships them back to Saudi Arabia. They could only be asked three questions. Their name,what they want for breakfast,did they take cream.

Now untrained National Guardsmen are dying when a 10 year trained jet pilot walked around with no one even looking for him.

When one person lives because of family connections it makes all other deaths in Vain. That is where I am coming from. I don't want to go into the VP getting 5 deferments.####

Gayle in MD
12-20-2004, 07:18 AM
Great post Dick, thank you!

I just love you friend...

Love,
Gayle /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

JimS
12-20-2004, 07:35 AM
I can't find words strong enough to communicate the depth of hatred I feel for the Bush family and all their supporters. They are low-life thieving, lying, killers who will do anything they are told to do by those who profit from war. They are the absolute worst people this country has ever set upon the world. Pure evil.

Chopstick
12-20-2004, 07:38 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote DickLeonard:</font><hr>
When you read that on 2/15/00 GB wanted his Asst.Security advisor to get a reason to go to war with Irag we have become a Hitler Nation.
<hr /></blockquote>

I missed that part. Where did you read it? Sounds like it came from Q.

Chopstick
12-20-2004, 08:18 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote JimS:</font><hr> I can't find words strong enough to communicate the depth of hatred I feel <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="red">Don't!</font color> That's how hatred spreads. Hate doesn't spring up out of the ground. People bring it into the world and spread it around like a flu virus. The only way to be rid of it is to put it down or take it with you when you leave this world.

"Evil cannot be changed in the world. It can only be changed within yourself. If you do only that much then you have done your part for us all." - Bob the Barfly


These terrorists have planted the seeds of hatred and violence right in the heart of America. Is there one person in America who wouldn't blow Bin Laden's head off on sight? How many of these people have ever sat and dwelled on the thought of killing a man in their entire life?

In the end it's all just about ideas. One group of people gets ideas about how life should be lived and if another group has different ideas, it's only a matter of time before the killing starts. No matter how all this turns out there's one thing you can be sure of. The Devil's gettin' his work done. He don't care who wins.

Gayle in MD
12-20-2004, 08:29 AM
Wow, do any of you right wingers on here ever read any BOOKS???????

"Against All Enemies" recounts how the administration was asleep at the switch, not taking proper stock of Clarks repeated warnings or those of the C.I.A., which that summer was receiving escalating intelligence reports of al-Qaeda activity In the spring of 2001, Clarke sent Rice and N.S.C. stafers an e-mail saying al-qaeda "Was trying to kill Americans, to have hundreds of dead in the streets of America."

The final straw for Clarke came with what he sees as the administration's wrong-headed obsession with invading Iraq. He views it as a costly, dangerous destruction that merely handed al-Qaeda the psychological arsenal it had previously lacked, by turning the more moderate Muslim community against us. "We played right into Osama bin Laden's hands," Clarke says. He told the moderate Muslim world we'd go in and attack a neutral, oil rich country and take it over, and what did we do? Exactly that."

"In his book clarke outlines how on September 12, 2001, the president asked him to find out if there was any connection between the terrorist attacks and Iraq. clark's colleague Paul Kurtz led the research effort and prepared a memorandum stating that there was no indication of Iraqi state spnsorship of terrorism. The memorandum was returned. "Please update and resubmit" was written on it.

[BTW, there is much more on the refusal of the Bush administration to acknowledge any warnings which did not reflect the obsession with going to war with Iraq]

"Clark's pent up anger spills onto the pages of "Against All Enemies" written in the summer and fall of 2003.

The book's publication date coincided with Clark's testimony at the bipartisan 9/11 commission hearings in the Hart Senate Office Building. During his testimony he famously apologized to the country, and to the relatives and loved ones of the victims who sat behind him, for failing to prevent the loss of 3,000 lives. "Your government failed you. Those entrusted with protecting you
failed you. And I failed you," he said. It was the first time anyone who'd been in government on 911 said sorry.

The White House reacted furiously and in an uncharacteristically disorganized fashion. It wasted no time in charging that Clarke had a book to sell and that he had a less prominent role under Rice than he wanted. "He wasn't in the loop," said Dick Cheney -a- statement later contradicted by Rice, who said, Actually, yes, he was. "

Hence, Dick Cheney is a liar! Bush wouldn't accept any memos which did not support his determination to go to war in Iraq. And also, btw, Dick Clarke was the governments foremost expert on al-Qaeda, and later mentions that the first time he mentioned al-qaeda to Rice, she obviously had no awaremness of it, acted as though she had never heard of it. Now look where she is, and why, because George only wants those who will yes man him to head up any of our departments.

George Bush and Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld are all LIARS.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
12-20-2004, 08:33 AM
Hi Jim,
Oh how I love a man who can see past the Bush lies and propaganda and see the truth.

Love ya Jim

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
12-20-2004, 10:21 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Wow, do any of you right wingers on here ever read any BOOKS???????
<hr /></blockquote> Tell me what you think about the facts in Ann Coulter's last few books. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif Just because you read a book does not mean that everything in it is the truth. You only lend this credibility to those that share your distaste of Bush.

eg8r

eg8r
12-20-2004, 10:27 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Wow, do any of you right wingers on here ever read any BOOKS???????
<hr /></blockquote> Tell me what you think about the facts in Ann Coulter's last few books. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif Just because you read a book does not mean that everything in it is the truth. You only lend this credibility to those that share your distaste of Bush.

eg8r &lt;~~~Just finished reading a Ludlum book

Gayle in MD
12-20-2004, 11:22 AM
Ed,
Bob Woodward is one of the most renouned reporters of our time.
Richard Clarke is neither right or left, Richard Clarke is this country's most formidable expert on Bin Ladden, and alQaeda.

I think Anne Coulter is a bit out of the loop so to speak, as compared to those others I mention, although she does share an ability through obnoxious, sarcastic propagandizing to enrage those who are interested in compiling the facts, and experts in their fields.

Gayle in Md.

Chopstick
12-20-2004, 12:01 PM
<font color="blue"> Wesley Cark!!!

This Welsey Clark?</font color>

"...He's the butcher of Kosovo. Maybe that's what we need right now is a butcher..." MICHAEL MOORE on Wesley Clark

<font color="blue"> This Welsey Clark?</font color>

"And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice... people I know very well - our president George W. Bush. We need them there." - Clark in remarks delivered at the Pulaski County GOP Lincoln Day Dinner in Little Rock, Arkansas on May 11, 2001

Wesley Clark offered his testimony before the Committee On Armed Services at the U.S. House Of Representatives.

"There's no requirement to have any doctrine here. I mean this is simply a long-standing right of the United States and other nations to take the actions they deem necessary in their self defense," Clark told Congress on September 26, 2002.

"Every president has deployed forces as necessary to take action. He's done so without multilateral support if necessary. He's done so in advance of conflict if necessary. Clark continued: "There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time."

<font color="blue">There was a Discovery Channel documentary on an incident concerning his use of cluster bombs in a civilian area. In case you don't know about cluster bombs, a cluster bomb splits open when it is dropped and deploys hundreds of little bomblets that ride down on parachutes. NATO had a strict policy against their use in urban areas. Clark, above the objections of NATO and his subordinate officers ordered a cluster bomb strike at a helicopter base in Kosovo. The wind was blowing that day. There is no way that a commander in the field is unaware of the weather when he orders an attack. The bomblets were blown into a public park. 215 women and children were massacred. Over what? A few helicopters in an area where we had total air superiority. Were they enough of a threat to gamble with the lives of women and childern. At the very least he is guilty of criminal negligence and a five star freaking idiot. This is the intellectual icon that you offer up as proof of your arguements?

This Welsey Clark?</font color>
http://www.icdsm.org/more/CLARK1a.jpg

<font color="red">Serbia did not attack us.
Serbia did not attack us.
Serbia did not attack us. </font color>
<font color="blue"> </font color>

DickLeonard
12-20-2004, 12:02 PM
Chopstick the fellow that said that was on maybe Tim Russert he had written a book. His name might be Korbe but when you steal an election you think you would softpedal it.

This man came into office looking to go to war. Now he wants Ken Lay to solve Social Security for the big Corporations.

I am begining to thimk I liked him better when he was in Texas cutting wood on the ranch.

Everytime I see him walking on TV he looks like he is wearing a bullet proof vest. His chest size doesn't match lower half. I wonder if Al Queda has a hit out for him.####

Gayle in MD
12-20-2004, 12:28 PM
Richard Clarke, you've heard of him right? Or maybe you haven't, LOL.

Gayle In Md.

Chopstick
12-20-2004, 12:45 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote DickLeonard:</font><hr> This man came into office looking to go to war. Now he wants Ken Lay to solve Social Security for the big Corporations.
<hr /></blockquote>

Yea, I know. Even I believe that he was looking for a fight when he came in. You could just tell. I was OK with that. Saddam had to go one way or another. They should have done it in 90. It would have saved a lot of lives.

Something has to be done about SS. They shouldn't have waited so long to deal with it. I don't believe that either one of the Bush's had or has a sound economic policy. I think the only we got a tax cut is because it worked for Reagan.

I don't know much about politics. I do read the articles that you guys post. I know more now than I ever have in my life, just from you guys.

Chopstick
12-20-2004, 12:57 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Richard Clarke, you've heard of him right? Or maybe you haven't, LOL.

Gayle In Md. <hr /></blockquote>

The other one? What do I know? The only thing I know about debate is what I put on dehook to catch defish. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Put them all in jail. Sort it out later.

Chopstick
12-20-2004, 01:02 PM
Thousands of Disserting Soldiers In Iraq


Hey Sid. I just noticed you misspelled deserting.

Gayle in MD
12-20-2004, 01:21 PM
Reagen's deficit eventually went away, only after ten major tax increases that were cumulatively bigger than the famous 1981 tax cut.

Teagen didn't grow his way out of the deficits caused by his 1981 tax cuts. He raised taxes twice in 1982, and again in 83, 84, 85, 86, and 87. But even with those seven tax increases AND several years of strong growth, he still didn't get rid of his deficit. It tool an eighth tax hike from Bush SR. in 89, a 9th in 90, a tenth from Clinton in 1993 and then another economic boom to erase the deficit. Sure, a strong economy helped - but without all those tax hikes the deficit would never have disappeared.

Bush will screw up SS just like he has screwed up everything else. Most economists agree that his proposals will not work. He gets out there and says that he doesn't want to leave the SS situation for other generations? Isn't that just what he is doing with his growing deficit?

What a mess.
Gayle in Md.

hondo
12-20-2004, 01:33 PM
Wow! Tell us how you really feel.


<blockquote><font class="small">Quote JimS:</font><hr> I can't find words strong enough to communicate the depth of hatred I feel for the Bush family and all their supporters. They are low-life thieving, lying, killers who will do anything they are told to do by those who profit from war. They are the absolute worst people this country has ever set upon the world. Pure evil. <hr /></blockquote>

eg8r
12-20-2004, 01:42 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Bob Woodward is one of the most renouned reporters of our time.
Richard Clarke is neither right or left, Richard Clarke is this country's most formidable expert on Bin Ladden, and alQaeda. <hr /></blockquote> Go back and read my post, I don't say anything about right or left. Dan Rather was quite the honest, renown, reporter himself, not anymore. After reading your posts, I find it impossible to believe you would ever read a Coulter book with the same open mind. Probably be safe to throw almost any Conservative author into the same fire.

Oh yeah, your formidable expert did nothing for 8 years prior to Bush. What was clarke doing the whole time? There were plenty of terrorist attacks on the US during those times, and your formidable expert missed on every one.

Do you remember the book Clark wrote about the failures of Clinton with respect to Bin Laden?

eg8r

eg8r
12-20-2004, 01:46 PM
[ QUOTE ]
I can't find words strong enough to communicate the depth of hatred I feel for the Bush family and all their supporters. They are low-life thieving, lying, killers who will do anything they are told to do by those who profit from war. They are the absolute worst people this country has ever set upon the world. Pure evil. <hr /></blockquote> I wonder if the innocent civilians in Kosovo agree with you, or would they nominate someone else?

eg8r &lt;~~~Does not hate JimS

Wally_in_Cincy
12-20-2004, 02:05 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> &lt;/font&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;
I can't find words strong enough to communicate the depth of hatred I feel for the Bush family and all their supporters. They are low-life thieving, lying, killers who will do anything they are told to do by those who profit from war. They are the absolute worst people this country has ever set upon the world. Pure evil. <hr /></blockquote> I wonder if the innocent civilians in Kosovo agree with you, or would they nominate someone else?

eg8r &lt;~~~Does not hate JimS <hr /></blockquote>

I think you mean the innocent people of Yugoslavia who were bombed by Clinton.

As far as I know the Danube is still impassable for barge traffic, since they bombed every bridge for 50 miles or so

Gayle in MD
12-20-2004, 05:26 PM
I didn't say you did, [Say anything abut right or left] here we go agsin with the semantics, go back and read your post yourself, if you can't figure out what I was referring to, then I give up. I am just trying to make a point that neither of these twoi authors are closely affiliated with either extreme in answer to your statement.

Clarke did not write a book about Clinton's failures. You righwingers just want to take the spotlight off this idiot in the Whitehouse in the worst kind of way, so it's Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, for the last time, I am not a democrat, so give it up. In another post you referred to "Your administration" meaning my administration? This may caome as a surprise to you ED, but I haven't been the Commander in Chief, yet, LOL.

Let's try to stick to current events, aka George Bush, Poor George, he was born with a silver foot in his mouth! The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, did you see him today? What a genius!

Gayle in Md,

SecaucusFats
12-20-2004, 06:03 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> I didn't say you did, [Say anything abut right or left] here we go agsin with the semantics, go back and read your post yourself, if you can't figure out what I was referring to, then I give up. I am just trying to make a point that neither of these twoi authors are closely affiliated with either extreme in answer to your statement.

Clarke did not write a book about Clinton's failures. You righwingers just want to take the spotlight off this idiot in the Whitehouse in the worst kind of way, so it's Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, for the last time, I am not a democrat, so give it up. In another post you referred to "Your administration" meaning my administration? This may caome as a surprise to you ED, but I haven't been the Commander in Chief, yet, LOL.

Let's try to stick to current events, aka George Bush, Poor George, he was born with a silver foot in his mouth! The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, did you see him today? What a genius!

Gayle in Md, <hr /></blockquote>

I see that spelling is not your forte, although I must admit that I find your continual transmogrification of the written language rather droll. May I suggest that you learn to use the spell check function? Or should we call the spelling Nazis in? /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

SF&lt; Laughing at the thought of Gayle scratching her head thinking what the f*ck did he just say? /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Sid_Vicious
12-20-2004, 07:01 PM
If spel'n and yammerin' intelligently is the key to worthiness, then I suggest you luk rat to the top guy. Bush has th be the dumbest example of any prez this country has EVER had! They don't mimmic him with munkeys without a good reson, he's dinse as an Arkansaw rock. Aint you proud, I ain't, not at all...sid~~~says DUH wilber, we done got us a clown, a really dangerous clown

hondo
12-21-2004, 06:24 AM
Hey, if our glorious leader doesn't read books, why should
we?



<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Wow, do any of you right wingers on here ever read any BOOKS???????

"Against All Enemies" recounts how the administration was asleep at the switch, not taking proper stock of Clarks repeated warnings or those of the C.I.A., which that summer was receiving escalating intelligence reports of al-Qaeda activity In the spring of 2001, Clarke sent Rice and N.S.C. stafers an e-mail saying al-qaeda "Was trying to kill Americans, to have hundreds of dead in the streets of America."

The final straw for Clarke came with what he sees as the administration's wrong-headed obsession with invading Iraq. He views it as a costly, dangerous destruction that merely handed al-Qaeda the psychological arsenal it had previously lacked, by turning the more moderate Muslim community against us. "We played right into Osama bin Laden's hands," Clarke says. He told the moderate Muslim world we'd go in and attack a neutral, oil rich country and take it over, and what did we do? Exactly that."

"In his book clarke outlines how on September 12, 2001, the president asked him to find out if there was any connection between the terrorist attacks and Iraq. clark's colleague Paul Kurtz led the research effort and prepared a memorandum stating that there was no indication of Iraqi state spnsorship of terrorism. The memorandum was returned. "Please update and resubmit" was written on it.

[BTW, there is much more on the refusal of the Bush administration to acknowledge any warnings which did not reflect the obsession with going to war with Iraq]

"Clark's pent up anger spills onto the pages of "Against All Enemies" written in the summer and fall of 2003.

The book's publication date coincided with Clark's testimony at the bipartisan 9/11 commission hearings in the Hart Senate Office Building. During his testimony he famously apologized to the country, and to the relatives and loved ones of the victims who sat behind him, for failing to prevent the loss of 3,000 lives. "Your government failed you. Those entrusted with protecting you
failed you. And I failed you," he said. It was the first time anyone who'd been in government on 911 said sorry.

The White House reacted furiously and in an uncharacteristically disorganized fashion. It wasted no time in charging that Clarke had a book to sell and that he had a less prominent role under Rice than he wanted. "He wasn't in the loop," said Dick Cheney -a- statement later contradicted by Rice, who said, Actually, yes, he was. "

Hence, Dick Cheney is a liar! Bush wouldn't accept any memos which did not support his determination to go to war in Iraq. And also, btw, Dick Clarke was the governments foremost expert on al-Qaeda, and later mentions that the first time he mentioned al-qaeda to Rice, she obviously had no awaremness of it, acted as though she had never heard of it. Now look where she is, and why, because George only wants those who will yes man him to head up any of our departments.

George Bush and Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld are all LIARS.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in Md. <hr /></blockquote>

hondo
12-21-2004, 06:33 AM
Attaboy, Eg, I knew you could find someone worse.
An egism- That guy raped that girl. " yeah, but did you
see the length of her skirt? Besides, Saddam's sons
raped a lot of girls."


<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> &lt;/font&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;
I can't find words strong enough to communicate the depth of hatred I feel for the Bush family and all their supporters. They are low-life thieving, lying, killers who will do anything they are told to do by those who profit from war. They are the absolute worst people this country has ever set upon the world. Pure evil. <hr /></blockquote> I wonder if the innocent civilians in Kosovo agree with you, or would they nominate someone else?

eg8r &lt;~~~Does not hate JimS <hr /></blockquote>

hondo
12-21-2004, 06:38 AM
Another egism. Don't address issue; attack her spelling.
Eg, let's collaborate on a book of egisms.


<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SecaucusFats:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> I didn't say you did, [Say anything abut right or left] here we go agsin with the semantics, go back and read your post yourself, if you can't figure out what I was referring to, then I give up. I am just trying to make a point that neither of these twoi authors are closely affiliated with either extreme in answer to your statement.

Clarke did not write a book about Clinton's failures. You righwingers just want to take the spotlight off this idiot in the Whitehouse in the worst kind of way, so it's Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, for the last time, I am not a democrat, so give it up. In another post you referred to "Your administration" meaning my administration? This may caome as a surprise to you ED, but I haven't been the Commander in Chief, yet, LOL.

Let's try to stick to current events, aka George Bush, Poor George, he was born with a silver foot in his mouth! The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, did you see him today? What a genius!

Gayle in Md, <hr /></blockquote>

I see that spelling is not your forte, although I must admit that I find your continual transmogrification of the written language rather droll. May I suggest that you learn to use the spell check function? Or should we call the spelling Nazis in? /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

SF&lt; Laughing at the thought of Gayle scratching her head thinking what the f*ck did he just say? /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif <hr /></blockquote>

eg8r
12-21-2004, 06:52 AM
[ QUOTE ]
I didn't say you did, [Say anything abut right or left] here we go agsin with the semantics, go back and read your post yourself <hr /></blockquote> Would it be worth it for me to wait for you to go back and read it and send me an update?

[ QUOTE ]
Clarke did not write a book about Clinton's failures. <hr /></blockquote> Exactly my point. He has an agenda and you are too blind to see it. You wouldn't understand this point if it were to pop you in the head.

[ QUOTE ]
You righwingers just want to take the spotlight off this idiot in the Whitehouse in the worst kind of way <hr /></blockquote> On the contrary, I voted to keep him there.

[ QUOTE ]
so it's Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, for the last time, I am not a democrat, so give it up <hr /></blockquote> Did I call you one? You are a bleeding liberal and Clinton was your saviour. Good luck in 08, you might have another shot.

[ QUOTE ]
In another post you referred to "Your administration" meaning my administration? This may caome as a surprise to you ED, but I haven't been the Commander in Chief, yet, LOL.
<hr /></blockquote> Provide the quote, and maybe give the context. This is no surprise, your far far left views are so out of touch it was a given. You want to talk semantics in the beginning what happened in the end?

[ QUOTE ]
Let's try to stick to current events, aka George Bush, Poor George, he was born with a silver foot in his mouth! <hr /></blockquote> Are you kidding me, more like, Oh poor Gayle, poor poor pitiful Gayle (she did not get her way in the elections, the bore Kerry did not win, so she has chosen the adult thing to do and is making fun and calling names). We don't know if she was born with a silver spoon in her mouth and frankly we don't give a crap.

eg8r

eg8r
12-21-2004, 06:57 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Another egism. Don't address issue; attack her spelling.
Eg, let's collaborate on a book of egisms. <hr /></blockquote> Is there a reason why you are posting to me when you quoted SF? A brainfart? My gosh, your post even mentions his name.

I will say, <font color="red"> CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!! </font color>. Man, I did not think you were capable, and here you show me another surprise. I think this was your first successful try using the quote tool. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif Go back to your old way, it seperated you from the crowd, you were different and I was getting used to it. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

eg8r
12-21-2004, 07:01 AM
What a well thought out reply, hon.

eg8r

hondo
12-21-2004, 07:20 AM
<hr /></blockquote> Is there a reason why you are posting to me when you quoted SF? A brainfart?

I must admit I am starting to get you two confused.

hondo
12-21-2004, 07:22 AM
Golly, Eg, that's the nicest thing you ever said
to me. Gee, thanks.


<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> What a well thought out reply, hon.

eg8r <hr /></blockquote>

Wally_in_Cincy
12-21-2004, 07:27 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> ... I think this was your first successful try using the quote tool. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif ...<hr /></blockquote>

I say since he got the name of the quoter wrong it doesn't count.

eg8r
12-21-2004, 08:15 AM
[ QUOTE ]
I say since he got the name of the quoter wrong it doesn't count. <hr /></blockquote> /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

eg8r &lt;~~~felt I should give credit where credit is due.

eg8r
12-21-2004, 08:16 AM
That is the kind of guy I am. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

SecaucusFats
12-21-2004, 08:46 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote hondo:</font><hr> <hr /></blockquote> Is there a reason why you are posting to me when you quoted SF? A brainfart?

I must admit I am starting to get you two confused. <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue">It's easy to tell us apart, I'm the pleasingly plump one. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif </font color>

SF

Gayle in MD
12-21-2004, 08:59 AM
Have another twinkie, and chill. If you can't deal with my typos, then skip my posts, whiner.

hondo
12-21-2004, 09:33 AM
I'm tellin ya; I don't get no respeck.


I say since he got the name of the quoter wrong it doesn't count. <hr /></blockquote>

SecaucusFats
12-21-2004, 09:45 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Have another twinkie, and chill. If you can't deal with my typos, then skip my posts, whiner. <hr /></blockquote>

Bwahahahahahah! The Queen of All Whiners calling me a whiner! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Boo-hoo-hoo, the 2000 election was stolen *sniff*, boo-hoo Bush is a liar, boo-hoo-hoo all Republicans / conservatives are liars *sniffle* *sniffle* , boo hoo hoo the 2004 election was stolen, boo hoo hoo poor old Saddam should still be in power in Iraq, boo-hoo-hoo Kerry should have won *sob* *sob* *sob*, boo hoo hoo the Red staters are stupid liars *wail* *wail* wail*, boo hoo hoo Fats is making fun of me 'cause I kain't rite or spel two good,*sob* *sob* *wail* *wail* *sniffle* *sniffle*

Now, now Miss Gayle don't you worry none, I'm sure your supporters are sending you a truck load of the finest French stinky cheese to go along with your whine. Hell I'll even throw in a case of MadDog 20/20 and a 4th grade spelling book for you, how's that? Now go grab a Prozac while I get a twinkie. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

SF &lt; Insensitive brute (must be the testosterone).

Chopstick
12-21-2004, 09:54 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote hondo:</font><hr> Eg, let's collaborate on a book of egisms.
<hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue">The Book of Egg</font color> I like it.

Gayle in MD
12-21-2004, 10:38 AM
I must say Ed, this suggestion of yours really tells me a lot about you. I have referred to a few books and authors who were in the inner loop, such as Richard Clarke, Mike Scheuer, and the magnificent ability of a reporter like Bob Woodward, who BTW in case you didn't know, was one of two reporters with the Washington Post who exposed the last Republican Crook in the White House, and all you can offer up for me is Anne Coulter, a poisoned tongued pundit who has never held a public office? Now, why the hell would I give a #### what she has to say. The information that I am interested in is written by whose authors who held positions with the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, the State Department.

For your sparse information, although some intelligence existed as far back as the Reagen administration suggesting that there was chatter about planes being used by terrorists to attack us, and this information was intercepted by not only our agencies, but also by other countries, France and Gremany just to name two, it was not until the Bush administration that folks in various top level positions with the CIA and FBI and the State Department became urgently alarmed, and whose warnings passed off and ignored by Bush and his advisors who were so focused on getting Saddam, and those oil wells over there, that they wouldn't listen.

Then you have a genius like Rice up there lieing in front of the 911 investigation about no one ever imagining anything about planes being used as weapons against us. Richard Clarke makes it very clear that he did everything but jump up and down on the table at the White House, as did others, and your genius President, and his oh so know it all elitist mafia didn't want to hear about Bin Laden. You do nothing to address the facts which I post here, and I dare say, the male ego which was alive and well among the various department heads, CIA, DOD, FBI, NSC, NSA in Washington, which jammed up information between organizations was the main reason that 911 was not thwarted.

In 1996, Mike Scheuer was the man the CIA had assigned to hunt down, capture or kill Osama bin Laden. Of al the agency's far flung stations- from Moscow to Prague to Beijing- Scheuer's was unique. He headed a "Station" near the Pentagon which was the first to targe an individual rather than a country. At that time bin Laden was not perceived to be the arch-enemy and mastermind of terrorism that he is today. Back then, those few in government who even knew his name referred to him merely as "a terrorist financier." But they had run accross him through audiotapes, passports, money, rhetoric, he was beginning to turn up everywhere. So when they chose him as the target for this station, known as the bin Laden Issue Station, and the "First Virtual Station" and also as the Alec station, their first responsibility was to find out if he was a threat. It was an interagency station "Tasked" by CIA officers and FBI agents.

It was very low profile, housed behind an unmarked door in Tyson's, (Moved eventually to the CIA's counterterorists
Center)

From Shceuer's Book,

"There, every morning, we, (Scheuer and his staff) toiled in our cubicles. We soon discoveed that bin Laden was much more of a threat than I had imagined. It became very clear very early that he was after weapons of mass destruction. and we showed conclusively at that point that he didn't have them. But we had never seen as professional an organization in charge of procurement.

By 1998, our staff had become so passionate about going after bin Laden that we felt our supervisors weren't getting it.

From Vanity Fair,
By, 1998, Scheuer and his staff had become so passionate about going after bin Laden that he felt his superiors weren't getting it. Scheuer later informed Congres that when Alec Station had obtained detailed intelligence in 1996 about attempts by bin Laden to acquire nuclear weapons, the higher ups decided to suppress the information. Only after three officerss "of the agency's bin Laden cadre" complained and forced an internal review was the information released more fully to analysis, policymakers and community leaders.

A bunker mentality set in at Alec Station. Then against us. Up on Langley's seventh floor, in the executive suites, the top brass started to view Scheuer as a hysteric, spinning doomsday scenarios, a sort of Kurtz-like figure. "The Manson Family" some started calling him and his mostly female staff. "The overwhelming mafority of officers who worked for me were women," Scheuer recalls. "And they don't care for that. They don't care for woemen, period, but they especially don't care for successful women."

Okay, I am taking things out of context, but after reading everything I could get my hands on about 911, and going myself to hear the investigation, I can onlhy tell you this.

Male ego, between top level officials, in various departments, and Bush's refusal to focus on the information that many people from various parts of government tried unsucessfully to get Bush and his top advisors to heed, along with their (Bush administration) refusal to take anything from the Clinton Administration into account, voluminous accounts, from all over, is the reason why 911 happened.

There is a new book out by a man named I. C. Smith, "Inside: A Top G Man Exposes Spies. Lies &amp; Bureaucratic Bungling Inside the F. B. I."

In that book we will find that the totality of the World Trade Center information was around since 1993, yes, planes used to fly into the WTC, and also the Eifel Tower, and yes, Clinton was president then, and the Republicans were focussed on their petty investigations, and Clinton probably on defending himself, but my point is that all this investigating came to an ultimate urgent plea to Bush that there was impending immediate danger, and he was at that time at the helm, and he ignored it, and Rice sat right there in front of the Senate Investigating Committee and said words to the effect that , Wow, before 911, no one ever imagined People flying airplanes into buildings before 911. This was a total lie! Richard Clarke has proved that he warned her about that very thing. And, I might add, that Richard Clarke is the only one who was in the loop who actually did level with the American People and said, "Your country failed you and I failed you" yes he failed us in his mind because he couldn't get those republicans in office at the time of 911 to listen, and particularly
Condeleza Rice.

So please Ed, and all the rest of you here who think Bush and his bunch are doing such a grand job, don't expect me to think that, and don't expect me to waste my time reading the books of "Talking Heads" like a right wing fanatic like Anne Coulter for heavens sake.

Gayle in Md.

Qtec
12-21-2004, 11:03 AM
Gayle, that post was too long. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

To have any chance with eg8r or the rest of the GOP fanatics, you have to keep your reply to one paragragh and preferably in plain English.
To be truthful, you are wasting your time if you expect them to admit their[ GW,s] mistakes. Questions like;
where are the WMDs?
where was the 'imediate threat'.?
why are we in Iraq?
........they have no answer............So dont expect one.!

Above all, dont get personal. This is just for fun, ok. They are probably ok guys, [ even eg8r and Wally], its just that they have been conditioned by their own personal life experiences- we all have. Thats why we are all different.
Accept it.





Q

Gayle in MD
12-21-2004, 11:21 AM
Thank you friend for the encouraging words.

I really don't care what any of them think, they show what they are in their posts.

How can you take anyone seriously when they don't want to even accept that Bush took office in January, and 911 was eight months later.

Testimony during the 911 investigation by those department heads who testified, speaks to the Bush failure to act on the immediate threats, and his insistence to focus on Saddam. Hence the far reaching efforts by the Bush administration to squelch the investigation all together.

Anyone who wants to go all the way back to Clinton and blame him for 911, is obviously unable to see the forest for the trees, and you are right, shouldn't be taken seriously.

I dare say I am surely the only one on this board who sat there in person and heard those who testified, and probably the only one among my attackers here who has actually done any serious reading regarding 911, and what the facts truly are.

Thanks again,
Gayle

hondo
12-21-2004, 11:25 AM
Well stated ,Q, and you are absolutely right.

eg8r
12-21-2004, 11:50 AM
[ QUOTE ]
I must say Ed, this suggestion of yours really tells me a lot about you. <hr /></blockquote> I think your reply shows that you have no earthly understanding as to the reason of mentioning her name.

[ QUOTE ]
So please Ed, and all the rest of you here who think Bush and his bunch are doing such a grand job, don't expect me to think that, and don't expect me to waste my time reading the books of "Talking Heads" like a right wing fanatic like Anne Coulter for heavens sake. <hr /></blockquote> I don't expect you to think about anything. Given the posts you have made the last few months lead me to believe very little thinking is going on. You don't have the time. Between Vanity Fair and Clarke, you have been reading your butt off. What I have seen from you is complete regurgitation with little to zero thought. You have taken these people's word with blind faith.

Clarke did nothing the whole time Clinton was in office. He had Clinton's ear the whole time, and nothing happened except a bunch of planning for 9/11. Put all your faith in what this man has to say if you want, it is your choice.

Here is an easy question, which I hope you don't choose to twist...How often did Clarke mention his own shortcomings in his book? How many times did he take fault for what happened? Did Clarke portray himself as part of the problem, or did he portray himself as the guy with the answers and no one will listen?

The reason for my mention of Ann Coulter is because she is soooo extreme. I don't think I said anything good or bad about her.

I just wonder how many books did you read that were anti-Clinton, and believed them for face value. I am betting NONE.

I don't for one second believe you are interested in the truth, rather I find your posts similar to a kid kicking and screaming while being dragged out of the toy store. The kid did not get his toy, you did not get your president.

You continue to bring up the point that Clarke knew there would be an attack using planes. Can you please tell us what his solution was in January when Bush took office. What was his plan? Shut down the airports?

eg8r

eg8r
12-21-2004, 11:55 AM
[ QUOTE ]
I really don't care what any of them think, they show what they are in their posts. <hr /></blockquote> Sure you do, otherwise you would not continue posting.

[ QUOTE ]
How can you take anyone seriously when they don't want to even accept that Bush took office in January, and 911 was eight months later. <hr /></blockquote> Believe it or not I am agreeing with a bleeding liberal here. I do agree Bush became President in January and by God look at that, Sept is the 9th month. Who disagrees with this?

[ QUOTE ]
Anyone who wants to go all the way back to Clinton and blame him for 911, is obviously unable to see the forest for the trees, and you are right, shouldn't be taken seriously.
<hr /></blockquote> Anyone not willing to use a little bit of common sense and not think the inaction of the previous administration plays a role in what happened is delusional.

eg8r

eg8r
12-21-2004, 11:57 AM
[ QUOTE ]
where are the WMDs?
where was the 'imediate threat'.?
why are we in Iraq?
........they have no answer............So dont expect one.!
<hr /></blockquote> These have been answered over and over, go back and search on them. You just did not want to hear the truth.

[ QUOTE ]
Above all, dont get personal. This is just for fun, ok. They are probably ok guys, [ even eg8r and Wally], its just that they have been conditioned by their own personal life experiences- we all have. Thats why we are all different.
Accept it.
<hr /></blockquote> This is very true.

eg8r

Chopstick
12-21-2004, 12:11 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr>
where are the WMDs?
<font color="blue">In Maryland. Women in Maryland.</font color>

where was the 'imediate threat'.?
<font color="blue">We have been threatened with everything from bitch slapping to government sponsored castration.</font color>

why are we in Iraq?
<font color="blue">To get away from WMDs </font color>
<hr /></blockquote> /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Sid_Vicious
12-21-2004, 12:36 PM
Jim...I was hesitant when I read the hate word, now after seeing the idiotic and character revealing responses to Gayle's well researched and well supported references, I'm in your camp. What is it about the Eds and Wallys, etc that can possibly allow themselves to ignore these facts by diverting everything away, while at the same time we are in this illegal and killing machine of our American soldiers, is plain and simply ignorance to the heavens, and like you, I have negative respect for this type of character. It would only be right for anyone with a patriotic bone in their body and/or half a brain, to pull the blinders off, listen to the news about the absolute wrongs involved, and think, "This is simply amiss and every American needs to reconsider this whole deal in an unbiased way." To do anything else, IMO, is ruthless and cold hearted toward those wrongly put in harms way. I have no respect for these ostriches with their heads stuck in the sand, none at all. There's never been any love lost between me and these guys so I'm not worried in the least about that, it's the needless dying and this follow-up idiotic right wing blindness that I feel truly defines what character or lack of, exists within that faction. Politics should never override common sense, and it sure should not be ignored. How do people sleep at night being that way? It is a sin against the American way!!!SID

Chopstick
12-21-2004, 01:23 PM
Hey, look guys we got our own thread. First I'd like to say it is an honor to be considered in the company of such distinguished gentlemen. Now let's see if I figure out what she's talking about now.

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr>Anne Coulter, a poisoned tongued pundit who has never held a public office? <font color="blue">poisoned tongued pundit. Are you sure your not trying to show off for SF. It's going to be hard to beat that two dollar word he threw down on you. I'll give a buck twenty five for the phrase though. Did you bake the pie she was attacked with? </font color>
Now, why the hell would I give a #### what she has to say.<font color="blue">What does Dick have to do with any of this? </font color>/ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Then you have a genius like Rice up there
<font color="blue">Are we back to the IQ thing again? I don't know but, I'll bet she's smarter than any of us.</font color>

You do nothing to address the facts which I post here, and I dare say, the male ego <font color="blue">Ah, here it is. I was wondering when you'd get around to derriding men in general.</font color>

In 1996, Mike Scheuer was the man the CIA had assigned to hunt down, capture or kill Osama bin Laden.
<font color="blue">Gary Schroen, a former CIA station chief in Pakistan, says the White House required the CIA to attempt to capture bin Laden alive, rather than kill him. What impact did the wording of the orders have on the CIA’s ability to get bin Laden? “It reduced the odds from, say, a 50 percent chance down to, say, 25 percent chance that we were going to be able to get him,” said Schroen. - MSNBC</font color>
<font color="green">Did this station cheif misinterpret a standing executive order? </font color>

From Shceuer's Book,

<font color="blue">Here come the books.</font color>

"There, every morning, we, (Scheuer and his staff) toiled in our cubicles. We soon discoveed that bin Laden was much more of a threat than I had imagined. It became very clear very early that he was after weapons of mass destruction. and we showed conclusively at that point that he didn't have them. But we had never seen as professional an organization in charge of procurement.

By 1998, our staff had become so passionate about going after bin Laden that we felt our supervisors weren't getting it.
<font color="blue">Who did he report to in 1998? </font color>

From Vanity Fair,<font color="blue">What's this? I never saw one before.

This upscale publication attracts a dual audience with it’s monthly themed issues. Most notable is the beauty and style of of Vanity Fair attracting both urban and suburban socialites and aspirationals.
<font color="green">Hmmm. I don't know about this. </font color>
<font color="blue">
Vanity Fair covers the following topics...
• Celebrity News
• Entertainment &amp; TV
• Lifestyle
• Men's
• Movie
• Television
• Women's
• Women's Fashion
</font color>
<font color="red">Thats a chick book!!! Why would I ever read that. </font color>

<font color="blue">Men read stuff like this:</font color>
https://media.primediamags.com/mags/gameandfish/map/cover_FL.jpg

<font color="blue">Here's the men are evil thing again.</font color>
<font color="black"> They don't care for woemen, period, but they especially don't care for successful women."

Okay, I am taking things out of context, but after reading everything I could get my hands on about 911, and going myself to hear the investigation, I can onlhy tell you this.

Male ego, between top level officials,</font color><font color="blue">What, again? You didn't even make through three sentences before putting down men again. Enough of this.</font color>





<hr /></blockquote>

Wally_in_Cincy
12-21-2004, 01:41 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Then you have a genius like Rice up there lieing in front of the 911 investigation about no one ever imagining anything about planes being used as weapons against us. <hr /></blockquote>

Did anybody actually imagine that they would do something like that? There was talk of hijacking sure, that's nothing new, but not crashing them into buildings.

An FBI agent in AZ reported the strange activities of Arabs in flight schools but his superiors poo-pooed it (under the Clinton admin. BTW). That's about as close as you can get to somebody imagining what happened on 9/11.

[ QUOTE ]
Richard Clarke makes it very clear that he did everything but jump up and down on the table at the White House, as did others, and your genius President, and his oh so know it all elitist mafia didn't want to hear about Bin Laden. <hr /></blockquote>

So why did Clarke apologize? Are you saying Clarke predicted the type of attack we got on 9/11? And if not, why not? He was the big anti-terror guy.

Wally_in_Cincy
12-21-2004, 01:48 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Sid_Vicious:</font><hr>
...What is it about the Eds and Wallys, etc that can possibly allow themselves to ignore these facts by diverting everything away, while at the same time we are in this illegal and killing machine of our American soldiers, is plain and simply ignorance to the heavens, and like you, I have negative respect for this type of character.<hr /></blockquote>

Yep.

That's me.

Mr. Ignorant

eg8r
12-21-2004, 02:01 PM
[ QUOTE ]
It would only be right for anyone with a patriotic bone in their body and/or half a brain, to pull the blinders off, listen to the news about the absolute wrongs involved, and think, "This is simply amiss and every American needs to reconsider this whole deal in an unbiased way." <hr /></blockquote> Ha, if only you could lead the way. For what it is worth, I doubt it.

[ QUOTE ]
It is a sin against the American way!!! <hr /></blockquote> If you are true to form, you will not post a reply, but what the heck are you talking about? A "sin" against the American way. Two things, explain what the "American way" is, and second, when did it become a religion.

You were not named the "one hit wonder" for nothing. We will sit back and see if score another.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
12-21-2004, 02:23 PM
Yes Wally, there were warnings of planes being used in that manner. I have made posts which quote Richard Clarke's book regarding how shocked he was when he heard Rice make that statement in front of the 911 committee, the statement that that no one ever imagined planes being used in the way.

The new book by Former G. Man, Smith, goes into great detail regarding how long ago they knew of bin Laden's plan to do just that.

Richard Clarke and others tried to warn this administration about it, they wouldn't listen to anything but information that would help them build a case against Saddam.

One man from the FBI, got so disgusted about it he actually left the FBI and took a job as Head Of Security at the World Trade Center, John O'Neil, he died on 911. It is all in the book by former top G man I.C. Smith...."Inside: A Top G. Man Exposes Spies, Lies &amp; Bureaucratic Bungling Inside the F.B.I."

There are also many references to how much hubris covered up the more important issues, such as bin Laden's plans, which fell by the wayside due to the investigative focus on digging up dirt on the Clinton's.

Even before 1993 there was an awareness of the preoccupation of bin Laden with Aircraft, and intelligence regarding flying planes into the WTC, and the Eifel Tower. Some of this intelligence was uncovered by the German's and by the French.

Gayle in Md.

Wally_in_Cincy
12-21-2004, 02:50 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr>
The new book by Former G. Man, Smith, goes into great detail regarding how long ago they knew of bin Laden's plan to do just that.

Richard Clarke and others tried to warn this administration about it, they wouldn't listen to anything but information that would help them build a case against Saddam.

<hr /></blockquote>

I haven't read Clarke's book so I'll have to take your word for that for now. Even if it is in the books it doesn't mean it is the truth.

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr>

I have made posts which quote Richard Clarke's book regarding how shocked he was when he heard Rice make that statement in front of the 911 committee, the statement that that no one ever imagined planes being used in the way.

<hr /></blockquote>

Just for the record, Rice's testimony was after Clarke's book was already out. Do you mean to say he said this to the media after her testimony? I sure don't remember that.

nAz
12-21-2004, 03:40 PM
Published on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 in the Guardian of London
G-8 Meets in Genoa July 20-22
Missiles to Protect Summit Leaders
by Rory Carroll in Rome

Italy has installed a missile defense system at Genoa's airport to deter airborne attacks during next week's G8 summit, fueling hysteria about looming violence.

A land-based battery of rockets with a range of nine miles and an altitude of 5,000 feet has been positioned in the latest security measure against perceived threats from terrorists and protesters.

Unidentified planes, helicopters and balloons risk being shot down should they drift too close to the heads of state from the group of seven leading industrialized nations and Russia.

Colonel Alberto Battaglini, of the ministry of defense, said the precaution was not excessive. "The measure, which was planned by the previous government, may seem open to criticism, but in reality it is merely to act as a deterrent against any aerial incursion during the summit.

"They are little missiles ... which only have a deterrent function to discourage any aerial-led attack and they do not present any danger to the residents of the city," he said.

The missile system, dubbed Spada, was erected along Italy's Adriatic coast during Nato's 1999 bombing of Yugoslavia.

More than 100,000 anti-globalization demonstrators are expected to converge on the northern port city during the July 20-22 summit.

Keen to avoid the chaos of Gothenburg, Prague and Seattle, the Italians will strive for maximum control by deploying thousands of riot police, snipers and bomb disposal teams.

Yesterday Otto Schilly, Germany's interior minister, said Italy would resurrect internal European Union border controls to block protesters from entering the country. "I presume Italy will abandon the Schengen accord during the G8 summit to prevent the arrival of troublemakers."

Authorities have reportedly ordered 200 body bags, established a temporary morgue at a hospital and arranged counseling for potentially traumatized police officers.

The airport, port and access roads will be sealed off and some leaders will be hosted on ships in case street battles threaten their safety.

Most of the groups of activists - whose causes include environment and debt forgiveness for poor countries - have pledged peaceful tactics but the authorities are nervous. Fringe groups have pledged violence and street clashes appear inevitable.

Unsourced stories of terrorist weapon hoards and sachets of HIV-infected blood have appeared in the Italian media, stoking an atmosphere of doom.

The millionaire terrorist, Osama bin Laden, has been linked to an alleged plot to assassinate the US president, George Bush.

Italy's prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi, has inspected Genoa twice and declared himself satisfied with the security.

© Guardian Newspapers Limited 2001

Chopstick
12-21-2004, 06:04 PM
Thanx nAz. Scary stuff.

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote nAz:</font><hr>More than 100,000 anti-globalization demonstrators
<hr /></blockquote>

Who are these guys? What are they mad about? I never heard of them.

highsea
12-21-2004, 07:14 PM
That article is BS! A Spada battery has a search range of 40 miles, and can track and target anything within 15 miles. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Dam liberal Guardian!!

-CM~~~could have used some Spadas in Seattle...

Gayle in MD
12-22-2004, 05:53 AM
Thank you Sid,
I agree with you friend, they will use anything and everything to avoid addressing any pertinent information placed before them. I could never extend blind faith to any president, things should be judged issue by issue, not by unexamined support for every act and decision. This is the hallmark of the right wing. Sarcasm, distortion of the facts, insults and inuendo, smut slinging, and diversion. And it reaches all the way from Karl Rove right down to the piddliest little right wing automatons of the internet. Just a lot of hubris that stands in the way of any valuable interchange of thoughts and ideas. Your policy of "no response" to idiocy is one which I intend to adopt.

Gayle in Md.
"Never try to reason with unreasonable people" /ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif