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SnakebyteXX
12-28-2004, 01:52 PM
Defense secretary's remark to troops fuels conspiracy theories

From Jamie McIntyre
CNN Washington

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 Posted: 0254 GMT (1054 HKT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comment Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld made during a Christmas Eve address to U.S. troops in Baghdad has sparked new conspiracy theories about the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

In the speech, Rumsfeld made a passing reference to United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania after passengers attempted to stop al Qaeda hijackers.

But in his remarks, Rumsfeld referred to the "the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania."

A Pentagon spokesman insisted that Rumsfeld simply misspoke, but Internet conspiracy theorists seized on the reference to the plane having been shot down.

"Was it a slip of the tongue? Was it an error? Or was it the truth, finally being dropped on the public more than three years after the tragedy" asked a posting on the Web site WorldNetDaily.com.

Some people remain skeptical of U.S. government statements that, despite a presidential authorization, no planes were shot down September 11, and rumors still circulate that a U.S. military plane shot the airliner down over Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

A Pentagon spokesman insists Rumsfeld has not changed his opinion that the plane crashed as the result of an onboard struggle between passengers and terrorists.

The independent panel charged with investigating the terrorist attacks concluded that the hijackers intentionally crashed Flight 93, apparently because they feared the passengers would overwhelm them.


Link (http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/12/27/rumsfeld.flt93/)

Deeman2
12-28-2004, 02:58 PM
You know, I'm willing to believe that we could have and might have shot down that plane. I don't think it is important to know if we did or not. It would not have changed the outcome of the event except maybe prevented more deaths if intensionaly crashed into another building. It would do no service to the person who would have had to shott it down to make this public and, in my opinion, would not have reflected on our leaders if they had to make that difficult choice. So maybe a bunch of brave Americans stormed the cockpit and forced the plane to crash and, perhaps some military plane shot it down. I would prefer we leave the families of the victims on that flight the little bit of solice and dignity it brings their families to know/believe their poor relatives acted so bravely.

We don't always get history exactly right and many will continue to tear down every single event until we have no heros real or imagined remaining.

Most of us never know the exact details of everything that goes on but it also does not mean that every event is a government conspiracy to fool the public. Maybe we should leave some sleeping dogs to rest.

Deeman

highsea
12-28-2004, 03:38 PM
If you accept that, then you have to throw out the entire 9-11 Comission report. After all, if they lied about one flight, how can you rely on their information about the others?

Reconstruction of the events, based on the cockpit voice recorders, FAA communications, NORAD radar traces, communications between the White House, the FAA, Langley AFB, Otis AFB, NEADS, and other Commercial Aircraft were all part of the investigation of what took place on those 4 flights that day. Through various miscommunications, etc., there were no USAF aircraft in the position to shoot Flight 93 down. They didn't even know exactly where it was at the time. Initially, they scrambled over the Atlantic, as part of a standard response designed to intercept an attack from the ocean. Also, the authorization to shoot never reached the pilots flying the CAPS until all four planes were already down.

You can read the details here:

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm

crawdaddio
12-28-2004, 03:51 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote highsea:</font><hr> If you accept that, then you have to throw out the entire 9-11 Comission report. After all, if they lied about one flight, how can you rely on their information about the others?
<hr /></blockquote>

And why not? You state this as if the 911 com. rep. is THE be all, end all truth about what happened. I am always skeptical...........

~DC

highsea
12-28-2004, 04:11 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote crawdaddio:</font><hr>And why not? You state this as if the 911 com. rep. is THE be all, end all truth about what happened. I am always skeptical...........

~DC <hr /></blockquote>
It's called preponderance of the evidence. Show us some actual evidence for the conspiracy theories, and see if they stand up to scrutiny. Scepticism is fine, but it should begin with a critical look at unsubstantiated allegations if you want to be consistent.

Simply believing something because it fits into your preferred worldview is not critical thinking.

Qtec
12-29-2004, 02:33 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote highsea:</font><hr> If you accept that, then you have to throw out the entire 9-11 Comission report. After all, if they lied about one flight, how can you rely on their information about the others?

Reconstruction of the events, based on the cockpit voice recorders, FAA communications, NORAD radar traces, communications between the White House, the FAA, Langley AFB, Otis AFB, NEADS, and other Commercial Aircraft were all part of the investigation of what took place on those 4 flights that day. Through various miscommunications, etc., there were no USAF aircraft in the position to shoot Flight 93 down. They didn't even know exactly where it was at the time. Initially, they scrambled over the Atlantic, as part of a standard response designed to intercept an attack from the ocean. Also, the authorization to shoot never reached the pilots flying the CAPS until all four planes were already down.

You can read the details here:

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm <hr /></blockquote>

At least 6 people reported seeing a white plane at the scene of the crash. there is also the question of the seismic event that was recorded.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/08/UA93_seismic/Magley080802.html

Q
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Wally_in_Cincy
12-29-2004, 06:40 AM
FWIW

They played the tape of the final minutes of Flight 93 for the relatives of the victims. They would have had to do some serious doctoring to make it convincing.

If the plane were shot down they would have just said the black boxes were damaged or destroyed in the crash.

Qtec
12-29-2004, 11:09 AM
Wally, you should do some checking on this. The Black Box from Flight 93 has never been released to the public. Why?

[ QUOTE ]
Cockpit voice recording ends before Flight 93's official time of impact

By WILLIAM BUNCH



THE FINAL three minutes of hijacked United Flight 93 are still a mystery more than a year after it crashed in western Pennsylvania - even to grieving relatives who sought comfort in listening to its cockpit tapes in April.

A Daily News investigation has found a roughly three-minute gap between the time the tape goes silent - according to government-prepared transcripts - and the time that top scientists have pinpointed for the crash.

Several leading seismologists agree that Flight 93 crashed last Sept. 11 at 10:06:05 a.m., give or take a couple of seconds. Family members allowed to hear the cockpit voice recorder in Princeton, N.J., last spring were told it stopped just after 10:03.

The FBI and other agencies refused repeated requests to explain the discrepancy. <hr /></blockquote>

Why have the FBI confiscated all CC pictures[ from several different locations eg gas stations, shopping centers,]..that could show pictures of the plane that hit the Pentagon? According to the terrorist pilot,s instructor, he was'" useless", but he managed to fly that plane 3 feet above the ground for a considerable distance! 3 FEET!

The 911 comission never addressed the important questions.

Q

Wally_in_Cincy
12-29-2004, 11:38 AM
Q,

believe it or not, there is not a conspiracy behind everything that happens in this world.

Qtec
12-29-2004, 12:40 PM
if you dont want to know the truth, thats ok. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Thats Democracy /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Q /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

highsea
12-29-2004, 02:20 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> Wally, you should do some checking on this. The Black Box from Flight 93 has never been released to the public. Why? <hr /></blockquote>
The recordings are usually not made public, just transcripts. These were included in the 9-11 commission report. It is extremely rare that the actual tape is made public in any aircraft crash.

It doesn't really matter, because if you are convinced there is a conspiracy, you will just claim the recordings are a fake anyway.

Here's a pretty good analysis of the Pentagon crash, from a "conspiracy" website.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

This is my last and only comment on this topic, because it just pisses me off to no end to listen to the BS conspiracy theorists, who refuse to admit what really happened on 9/11, and refuse to look at the ACTUAL EVIDENCE.

have a nice day.