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Cane
01-07-2005, 10:22 AM
I just returned from my "next day followup" on my LASIK surgery and now, only 17 hours after the procedure, I have 20/20 vision in each eye and 20/20 total vision with both eyes. Dr. B told me that the eyes, even though they feel good now, are not quite healed yet and that over the next 2 to 6 months, at least in my situation, I have a very good chance of seeing improvement in vision over what it already is. He specifically said that he wouldn't be surprised if my vision graduated to 20/15 in each eye. Don't misunderstand, this doesn't happen with everyone, but he said I was as perfect a candidate for the procedure as anyone he has ever treated (his LASIK patients number in the thousands).

I have NEVER been able to see this good in my life... I mean, with my glasses, I could read the 20/20 line with my right eye, but it was a little fuzzy... now the 20/15 line is a bit more fuzzy than the 20/20 line used to be, but the 20/20 line on the chart is as clear as crystal.

In any case, if you can't tell, I am a happy camper! Right now, I'm just playing on the computer, waiting for a friend to come pick me up and we're going to go play a little 14.1 to break these things in right!

By the way, I didn't realize until today just how beautiful my Jerico cue really was! /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Later,
Bob

Popcorn
01-07-2005, 10:36 AM
And then there is Danny DiLiberto who is almost blind from the surgery. I am glad you had a positive result but it is still surgery never the less and not to be taken lightly.

bomber
01-07-2005, 10:41 AM
congrats on your new eyes...i had a friend who had the surgery done and he was impressed as well...he was a golfer and a pool player (damn good at both i might add) and he told me that it took some getting used to before he could play either game as well again...he had to retrain himself a bit...didnt take long he said, a week or two, but the improvements came quick after the week or so....he told me that the first day he tried to play golf, he swung and missed on the first tee....he is a true scratch golfer and to me that story was funny as hell

bomber
01-07-2005, 10:42 AM
that is a good point popcorn

landshark77
01-07-2005, 10:52 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Popcorn:</font><hr> And then there is Danny DiLiberto who is almost blind from the surgery. I am glad you had a positive result but it is still surgery never the less and not to be taken lightly. <hr /></blockquote>
Thus the only reason I haven't looked into it myself...I know TMI.

SpiderMan
01-07-2005, 01:32 PM
Cane,

What is your age, and can you notice any change in your ability to read fine print up close under poor light? I've heard these surgeons tend to slightly over-correct you to be sure you can get "perfect" focus at infinity, but that as a result you will need reading glasses sooner as you age.

SpiderMan

Scott Lee
01-07-2005, 02:16 PM
Marty...Randy and I called Bob "Methuselah" last summer! LOL...just kidding Bob! Glad the surgery worked well for you! Congrats on the "new" sight! Have fun on the green baize...and good luck in S. Padre Island!

Scott

stickman
01-07-2005, 04:10 PM
I'm very happy for you! I'm curious what it cost? (Roughly) I've never investigated what the general price was.

tateuts
01-07-2005, 09:11 PM
I had it done about 5 years ago - it's fantastic. I'm still 20/20 or better in one eye, and one eye has slipped to 20/40 but it's posed no problems and I might opt for a brush up.

I consider Lasik a safe procedure with only tiny risks of serious complications. I have heard that Lasik is far safer than using extended wear contact lenses. The FDA is the best place to go for answers:

http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/lasik/

Chris

tateuts
01-07-2005, 09:16 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SpiderMan:</font><hr> Cane,

What is your age, and can you notice any change in your ability to read fine print up close under poor light? I've heard these surgeons tend to slightly over-correct you to be sure you can get "perfect" focus at infinity, but that as a result you will need reading glasses sooner as you age.

SpiderMan <hr /></blockquote>

I've been told that the Lasik correction for near sightedness will not correct or affect your reading vision or alter your need for reading glasses. We are almost all going to need reading glasses at some point no matter what. I now need reading glasses (it started about a year ago, I'm 51) but before my surgery 5 years ago my optometist told me I was getting that way anyway.

Chris

Cane
01-07-2005, 10:17 PM
Well, I played 7 hours of pool this afternoon. One game of 14.1 and I can't tell you how many games of 9-Ball. We were on an older 100" Gold Crown with Simonis and Double Shimmed pockets. I hit more balls center pocket than I believed I ever could. The only problem I had was the distraction of people standing around the table asking "What the hell happened? Damn, Nunley's playing like God today" Well, what happened is for the first time since I quit this game in 1988, I don't see balls with halos or that look like they're growing hair. I see crisp round spheres that I can send to the pockets without any problem. I love my new eyes.

Popcorn. Yes, Danny D had complications, but did he have strictly LASIK? It was my understanding, and I may be wrong, that he had catarac problems and that was the nature of his surgery. Of course, that's just a rumor that made it to this part of the world, and you know how rumors go. In any case, the rate of complications, even including the "Bad" surgeons, is less than 1%. In other words, you have more chance of dying from a knee surgery than you have of going blind from LASIK.

Spiderman, Age: 28... well, actually, I'm coming up on the 21th anniversary of my 28th birthday, but who keeps count after 28 anyways? I needed reading glasses before, and actually, while I'm sitting at the computer now without them on, I do still need them but not as much. I believe I could read a mag without my reading glasses if I chose to, but why make things more difficult than necessary. There is an option called MonoVision LASIK where they cut one eye to focus at distance and one to focus close up. Supposedly, your eyes compensate and you don't notice that you see differently with each eye, but the Doc and I discussed this and since my primary goal was to play pool with these "new eyes", we elected to go with the infinite vision, with an inhancement that cost a bit more, called CustomVue.

Stickman. THe normal LASIK here cost 1059 per eye and the CustomVue is an additional 500 per eye. I could have done it cheaper, as little a $595 per eye, but I researched all the Ophthalmalogist from KC to Dallas and Okla City to Little Rock and this one had the best track record of all having done literally thousands more LASIK procedures than most of the others. I figured if I was going to let someone play with my eyesight, then it might as well be the best, not the cheapest. By the way, I played my local arch rival tonight and he found out after 3 races to 7 that the ONLY advantage he ever had over me was eyesight. I smoked him like a cheap cigar! /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Well, time to go to the Casino, now... a gambler is a gambler, ya know! LOL Now I'm trying to get the Choctaw Casino to put in a pool room! But not tonight... heading for the $3 machines and crossing my fingers! /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Later,
Bob

stickman
01-07-2005, 10:52 PM
A friend told me tonight that it was $1500 for both eyes here. I'm sure it varies, but it is less than I supposed. It might be a goal for me. I'd love to get rid of these glasses. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

aboutGT
01-08-2005, 08:46 AM
This is where I am going next Friday 1/14. The research I have done is that the CustomVue greatly reduces any issue with the surgery. Cost is $3100 for both eyes with the WaveScan plus one can buy lifetime guarantees for an additional fee.

www.pankratzeye.com/ (http://www.pankratzeye.com/)

DavidB
01-08-2005, 10:26 AM
I am new to the board and do enjoy reading the various posts. This LASIK conversation is one that I find very interesting. I am 52, have worn glasses since early childhood and several years ago reached the point of bi-focals. Let me tell you that was no fun. I had to have glasses made specifically for pool and glasses are a hassle while shooting. I had LASIK conducted almost 6 years ago and chose the MonoVision route. Actually, my doctor suggested this method with the caveat that if I did not like it he would change to both eyes being distance. I havenít looked back! My vision is now 20/15 with both eyes. I still do checkups every year with the doctor who performed the surgery. With MonoVision my eyes work in unison and I cannot tell one is distance and the other is for reading with the one exception being that when I am in very dark surroundings I will notice my reading eye somewhat loses itís depth perception if I am looking in to the distance. Based on this happening a very small percentage of the time and the fact that it does not bother me at all makes the trade off of not having to wear reading glasses well worth it for me. My pool game is great and I can read the back of a medicine bottle in incandescent lighting. Glasses are a thing of the past except for cool looking sunglasses. Another extremely important point made in this post is that it is imperative that one uses only the top doctor to perform this operation. Cane, I think you will be very happy with this surgery.

Scott Lee
01-08-2005, 08:27 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Cane:</font><hr>
Spiderman, Age: 28... well, actually, I'm coming up on the 21th anniversary of my 28th birthday, but who keeps count after 28 anyways? Bob <hr /></blockquote>

See Bob? I told you I was just joking! ACTUALLY Randy &amp; I are WAY older than you! LOL...but it's all in how you think, huh? All three of us are very young at heart. You just have the younger girlfriend! LOL Really glad this worked out well for you, and you're playing better than ever! See you in Oklahoma sometime!

Scott /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Cane
01-08-2005, 09:26 PM
Yeah, both of you may be older than I, but why do I have a harder time getting in and out of a car than you two... I guess I should have taken better care of myself when I was younger! /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

The younger girlfriend? Man, Billie doesn't read this forum, so don't tell her I said anything, but she is OLDER than I am... Hell, I use her AARP card to make Hotel Reservations!!!! Just in case she does get a wild hair and gets on CCB, I'm not going to say how much, but definitely older than me... we aren't talking MONTHS, here! You know what they say, the older the wine... Well, except for her boobs... they're only 4 years old! /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Wish you would come down to Padre Island. Just follow Randy home from Iowa!!! At least when I get there, I won't have to play against you "seniors". /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Did I say that out loud??? Actually, I'm glad I won't. I know a few that may be playing in that division that are kinda scary when they drop off in their 9-Ball gear!

Actually, Scott, I thought you were about my age! Billie thought you were cute, by the way, and cute isn't a word she uses for "Old Dudes", so I guess she figured you were a youngun, like me! /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Later,
Bob

stickman
01-08-2005, 11:45 PM
Even at that price, I still believe it would be worth it.

SnakebyteXX
01-09-2005, 06:27 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Even at that price, I still believe it would be worth it. <hr /></blockquote>

Here in Nor Cal you can have it done for five hundred per eye.

link (http://www.elliseye.com/)

aboutGT
01-09-2005, 07:42 AM
Doctors in Canada have been performing LASIK for about 10-15 years longer than Doctors in the US and charge $500/eye w/o Wavefront and $1400/eye w/Wavefront. Advertising $500/eye in the US is typically a hook and bait. I bet Cain after finding the best eye doc paid more than $500/eye. Yes you can get the basics done for $500/eye, but the latest procedure called Wavefront is to actually perform a micron level topograpical map on the pupil and program this map into the laser to smooth out the pupil. Thus helping to eliminate any astigmatism and make sure the correct goal is met. Also Docs in Canada have hit 20/8 eyesight using Wavefront.

Check out this website. It also has articles on bargain LASIK.

www.pankratzeye.com (http://www.pankratzeye.com)

SnakebyteXX
01-09-2005, 07:51 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Doctors in Canada have been performing LASIK for about 10-15 years longer than Doctors in the US and charge $500/eye w/o Wavefront <hr /></blockquote>

A quick search shows that these Canadians are offering non-wavefront for $390 US per eye. Competition must be driving the price down.

Link (http://www.lasikmd.ca/us_cost.html)

aboutGT
01-09-2005, 07:59 AM
Beware: read the fine print. From the NorCal $500/eye Ad:

Per eye. -1.50 nearsightedness no astigmatism and below in both eyes.
Bilateral procedure. Reg. $999 per eye (Nidek laser only).
Limited time offer. Financing available


This is fine print from Elliseye on NorCalwhich is not ethical at all. First if you have -1.50 diopters or less AND no astigmatism in both eyes, you do not need LASIK.

No matter what you eyesight is, for the same procedure it should be the same cost, not an escalating cost based on you level of eyesight. And second find a Eye Doc who has Wavefront at least he/she is keeping up with latest technology. This Doc in Cal did not have Wavefront.

aboutGT
01-09-2005, 08:12 AM
www.lasikmd.ca/CompareDoctor.pdf (http://www.lasikmd.ca/CompareDoctor.pdf)

This is pretty good check list for finding the right Eye Doc. Only one thing, I doubt if you can find that price in the US if the Doc fits all the qualifications on the checklist.

SnakebyteXX
01-09-2005, 08:12 AM
We're both on the same page here. Lasik is big business and many have jumped on the bandwagon in an effort to get a piece of the pie.

Anyone considering Lasik surgery should spend a little time learning the difference between an ophthalmologist (http://www.visionchannel.net/ophthalmologist.shtmlopthalmologist ) and an optometrist. The first has extensive medical training and the second? Well, let's just say when it comes to something as precious as your eyes you just might want to go with the guy who went to medical school.

I had it done by an ophthalmologist. Among other things he was able to pinpoint the fact that I was taking a migraine prescription that could have caused problems with the surgery. He wouldn't perform the surgery until I had stopped using the prescription for at least thirty days. I'm fairly certain that someone without extensive medical training might have missed that minor detail.

Lasik (wavefront or not) is NOT something you want done by the low-priced bidder.

Snake

aboutGT
01-09-2005, 08:43 AM
www.visx.com/candidates/resources/find_a_doc.php (http://www.visx.com/candidates/resources/find_a_doc.php)

This link will help you find a Eye Doc using CustomVue/Wavefront technology in the US near your zip code.

ragin1
01-13-2005, 09:46 AM
Thank you for your research.