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ceebee
01-10-2005, 09:41 AM
Public Gambling is now in every State of the Union (that I know of). There is Bingo, Gambling Casinos, Card Rooms, Lotteries and who knows what other medium there might be.

So why would people look down on Pocket Billiards & Gambling. There's more gambling at the Muni Golf Courses & the Country Clubs than there is in the Pool Halls. The country clubs are patronized by America's finest citizens (or so they think), your local religious facilities sponsor Bingo. Your State governments sponsor Lotteries.

Maybe people don't really look down their noses at the Pool Hall, maybe that notion is a figment of our imagination. There is more double dealing, cheating & lying in D.C., than in the whole of America, so double dealing, cheating & lying cannot be the root cause of people's thoughts about where Pocket Billiards is played.

The fact that some of the participants or loiterers should be on a chain-gang somewhere, the environment is way too smokey & smells bad, the bath rooms are made pitiful by the patrons could have something to do with it, but BIG TIME convicts, crooks, liars & cheats swarm in the finest of places and lots of them should be on a chain-gang.

Maybe the stigma of Pocket Billiards comes from the fact that most cannot compete well, therefore that activity must be shunned.

bomber
01-10-2005, 11:01 AM
you may be right but that is not the conotation that most people have and i can understand where the american public gets their viewpoint on the pool rooms. we can all argue back and forth that pool rooms get a bad wrap and that they dont deserve it. i have a different opinion. i love the pool room but the pool room draws a very shady crowd of people. it seems to me that many people in the pool scene are blind to the fact that their is some bad folks in most pool rooms in this country. i hate to say it but it seems to be the truth. i will honestly say that when i have children, i pray that they will not want to go to the pool rooms. gambling is the least of my concern. i am more concerned about drugs and things of that nature. i know that i will get alot of replies to this message saying..."that is bullshit" or "not at my pool room" but you guys just dont know about it. you dont see it. pool rooms are scummy places as a whole. not every one, but most are. at least in the general publics eyes. however, the shadiness has always been part of the allure for me. almost romantic. kinda like the mob.

landshark77
01-10-2005, 11:20 AM
Well for starters the gambling you are talking about is CONTROLLED gambling. Not only does the IRS get their cut but there is little room for any type of discrepancy of who actually won, who cheated, and so on.

Pool does get a very bad rap...look at the way it is portrayed in things that are not related to pool in general. In movies, when the focal character goes into the pool hall or bar that has a pool table something bad always happens. On Cheers they have a pool room, one of the only scenes I have ever saw where they focused on that room was when Norm's boss tried to sexually assault Diane. In Michael Moore's film Blowing for Columbine he did an interview in a pool hall with a guy that said a bunch of stuff I am sure made his mama proud. People perceive pool players as a bunch of degenerates. When you have a room full of degenerates and you throw in money and gambling then violence will erupt...at least that is the view. Almost every bar fight I have witness started form the pool room. I dunno maybe I spend too much time there, LOL.

I don't have a problem with gambling, hustling, and what not...but be careful what you ask for, because I am sure no one wants it to become a regulated activity. That would suck.

JMHO

landshark77
01-10-2005, 11:22 AM
Bomber..there are bad/ shady people every where, not just the pool hall.

SpiderMan
01-10-2005, 11:29 AM
Landshark,

I'm curious about the significance/background of the piece of artwork attached to all your posts. Also, I can't resolve the words in the "speech balloon" next to the child's head. What does it say?

SpiderMan

catscradle
01-10-2005, 11:35 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote landshark77:</font><hr>
Bomber..there are bad/ shady people every where, not just the pool hall. <hr /></blockquote>

Maybe the problem is that most places there are bad/shady people "straight" people don't really want to go anyway. If so, that would suggest that people maybe want to go to pool rooms, but are afraid too. I am also quite sure that many people who want to go to a pool room can't really play all that well and are afraid of looking foolish.
Just some thoughts.

bomber
01-10-2005, 11:48 AM
Of course, but most people feel that the concentration is higher. i would have to agree with them. just my opinion

bomber
01-10-2005, 11:49 AM
i would agree with that cats

jjinfla
01-10-2005, 11:53 AM
Pool rooms are bad?

I don't see it. The pool room I go to is very nice (with the exception of the music the kids play) but no bums or moochers - the owner bans them. He runs a pretty nice place. Everyone is friendly. Gambling? Of course, now and again. But everyone knows everyone and there is no robbery.

Some guys match up just to test themselves - not to make a living at it. But they are not playing with the rent money or their kids school money.

I follow the Florida Pool Tour and the Ladies spirit tour and Kingsbay tour and everyone there seems nice and friendly. Never any problems.

And APA is going great guns with a whole bunch of people playing in that league.

So who are the bums you allude to?

Maybe it is only you who think of pool halls as dens of iniquity. Surely you are not ashamed to tell someone that you are going to the pool room are you? Maybe if you, and people like you, would present a better image of pool rooms to the general public then more people would see the good side of pool.

And remember, when people think of the hustlers and old time pool rooms who do they think of? Mosconi, Minnesota Fats and people from that era. That was 40 years ago. Times have changed. It's like saying that everyone who rides a Harley is a Hell's Angel.

Jake

DavidMorris
01-10-2005, 12:07 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SpiderMan:</font><hr> Landshark,

I'm curious about the significance/background of the piece of artwork attached to all your posts. Also, I can't resolve the words in the "speech balloon" next to the child's head. What does it say?

SpiderMan <hr /></blockquote>
I'm assuming it's one of those irony things. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif The word in the balloon looks like NUEVO, or "new" in Spanish. Probably some Spanish product aimed to assist in English speling. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

The funny thing is that the phrase is "trademarked" (notice the TM). Given that I just noticed that, it might actually be a joke graphic.

landshark77
01-10-2005, 12:08 PM
I am a thief...I stole this form a music related message board. I am such a fantistic speller and I am often lazy with the spell check that I decided I would use this as my disclaimer. /ccboard/images/graemlins/frown.gif The balloon thingy says "MEMO" I believe.

PQQLK9
01-10-2005, 12:15 PM
and all this time I thought that was your picture. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Popcorn
01-10-2005, 12:23 PM
You are exactly right, some would be as uncomfortable as if they were walking into an adult book store. Add to that they may be abused by the employees. They put the balls at the wrong end of the table and are looking for the rack and someone yells across the room at them like they are idiots. Even placing a drink on a table or sitting on a table should be dealt with quietly and not embarrass them. They just want to fit in, you have to make it as easy as possible.

landshark77
01-10-2005, 12:51 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote PQQLK9:</font><hr> and all this time I thought that was your picture. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Oh my goodness silly, my picture is to the left of all my post. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

dbankjr
01-11-2005, 12:39 AM
This has to be one of my greatest pet peeves as far as the reputation our sport has in general...gambling or not. As far as gambling goes, there is gambling available in almost any kind of competition. I'd have to say that most of the bad rap may come not from pool rooms but from bars filled with wanna be sharks fighting( thanks to the Color of Money) over a damn what is now $.75 depending on where you play. I think conduct has something to do with it that is to say. Now we all know it's supposedly a gentlemens or ladies game with respect given to sportsmanship. What people see happen, gambling or not, has an affect on our sport. It doesnt matter whether it's in reality or on the screen, in a pool hall or a bar..it's percieved to be reality. It may have started with Jackie Gleason playing a broken down loser looking Paul Newman with the only talent Paul's Eddie character possesing being a talent for pool. Being that the general publics misconseptions are what they are, they'd look at Eddie as a loser instead of a man who will never go hungry because he has a talent. Yes I know I'm running on about this but I had to vent. I think it is truly that the general public can't play the game at the same level they think they can play, lets say, golf. It's funny thats it's cute that Lee Trevino used to hustle golf with a Coke bottle on a stick, but take a guy in a bar that can run a table with a broom stick and he's some how less talented because you didn't have to walk a mile to see it.
It's all just my opinion.

Vagabond
01-11-2005, 05:25 AM
The origins of the bad reputation go way back when puritans thought that their values did not match the values of pool Hall( pool players were considered as pleasure seekers and Puritans did not believe in pleasurable activities.Puritans gone but bad reputation remains.Cheers
Vagabond

roscoe
01-11-2005, 08:22 AM
There's trouble in River City....

I've been playing pool for about 45 years. I've played for money when I was younger but not too much these days. A beer or time maybe. I also play golf for money and still do today.

However, I've never had a problem playing for money in a pool room. The problems always present themselves in a bar, playing an inebriated stranger who thinks he's the next Mosconi. More times than not the guy's ego gets injured and he has difficulty dealing with it. It goes downhill from there because now he is angry and plays worse; and I can't help but push his buttons. Then he ups the ante and loses even more. Tension gets as thick as pea soup. Fortunately, the one bar I play in has many people who know me so the stranger doesn't get to fullfill his desires.

Roscoe

LARRY_BOY
01-11-2005, 09:59 AM
Acording to the government, gambling is only bad when THEY don't get their cut.........


bank the 8

Sid_Vicious
01-11-2005, 10:40 AM
Yea I agree with that factoid, but I find it strangely one of the odd reasons I like the pool hall scene. If PHs were made totally antiseptic and like recreation centers, preppy joints and the such, I wouldn't find near as much fun. It's nice from this man's viewpoint to shoulder up with a group of hustlers/gamblers and watch and listen to the events, plus it ain't many places you can sling the F-word and chuckle over jokes outloud. I love the halls just as they are, gambling characters included...sid

catscradle
01-12-2005, 12:26 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Vagabond:</font><hr> The origins of the bad reputation go way back when puritans thought that their values did not match the values of pool Hall( pool players were considered as pleasure seekers and Puritans did not believe in pleasurable activities.Puritans gone but bad reputation remains.Cheers
Vagabond <hr /></blockquote>

That is way, way over simplistic and incomplete an explanation. Pool rooms didn't even exist in Puritan days. The effect of the stringent attitude of the Puritans is always overstated, it's lingering influence on modern society is really miniscule.