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SnakebyteXX
01-14-2005, 06:17 AM
SAN FRANCISCO -- School officials in Palo Alto are reconsidering their use of a popular speaker for an annual career day after he advised middle school students that they could earn a good living as strip dancers.

William Fried told eighth-graders at Jane Lathrop Stanford Middle School that stripping and exotic dancing could be lucrative career moves for girls, offering as much as $250,000 or more per year, depending on their bust size.

"It's sick, but it's true," Fried, president of Foster City's Precision Selling, a management consulting firm, told The Associated Press. "The truth of the matter is you can earn a tremendous amount of money as an exotic dancer, if that's your desire."

The school has asked Fried to give his 55-minute presentation, "The Secret of a Happy Life," for the past three years.

A tip sheet he distributes to students includes a list of 140 potential careers and areas of interest they can consider pursuing. Along with professions as accounting and nursing, the list offers such nontraditional suggestions as exotic dancing, stripping and acting as a spiritual medium.

He counsels students to experiment with a variety of interests until they discover their "life's purpose," something they love and excel in. The presentation and handout have been praised by students, school principal Joseph Di Salvo and others said.

Fried's presentation "helped me realize that my career choice should not be influenced by money," one student wrote in a thank-you letter. "It should be influenced by what we like and are good at."

But on Tuesday, some students asked Fried to expand on why he included "exotic dancing" on the list.

Fried spent about a minute answering questions, defining strippers and exotic dancers synonymously. He told students, "For every two inches up there, you should get another $50,000 on your salary," student Jason Garcia, 14, said.

"A couple of students egged him and he took it hook, line and sinker," said Di Salvo, who also said the students took advantage of a substitute teacher overseeing the session.

Di Salvo heard about the exchange when the mother of a student called him the next morning. She said she was outraged when her son announced that he was forgoing college for a career in a field he truly loves -- fishing -- and said she found Fried's handout even more disconcerting.

Di Salvo, who has since heard from another parent, said Fried's overall presentation is a positive one. The mention of exotic dancing and Fried's off-the-cuff remarks, however, have prompted him to consider barring the speaker from next year's career day.

The principal said he would send letters of apology home with students.

"It's totally inappropriate," Di Salvo said. "It's not OK by me. I would want my presenters to kind of understand that coming into a career day for eighth-graders."

School board member Mandy Lowell didn't expect Fried's comment to cause lasting damage but said the speaker didn't adhere to the message of achievement the district is trying to promote.

"I don't think that your natural or implant-inflated bust size is what our schools aim to nurture," she said. "My aspiration is not to have children in this district become exotic dancers."

District superintendent Mary Frances Callan did not immediately return two telephone calls seeking comment.

Despite the uproar, many students said Fried was the most inspiring speaker in a lineup that included a pilot, an attorney, a classical pianist and a journalist.

"He really focused on finding what you really love to do," said Mariah Cannon, 13.

Cannon also said she wouldn't want exotic dancing taken off Fried's list. Although parents might find it hard to hear, it's a legitimate career choice, she said.

Student Tom Marks, 13, said he found some of Fried's comments "weird and unnecessary" but still thinks he should return next year.

"I don't think he should have gone into all the details," he said. "I just got upset that he talked about it so much."

Fried, 64, said he does not think he offended anyone.

"Eighth-grade kids are not dumb," he said. "They are pretty worldly."


Link (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/01/14/students_told_stripping_is_career_choice/)

dg-in-centralpa
01-14-2005, 02:55 PM
This is funny but sad, in the fact that women who have no brains can make more than those of us who work long tough hours. They can make a fabulous salary. I grew up with a girl who became a stripper. Her attributes were great. She got mixed up with drugs, and eventually was murdered a few years ago. While I have been to see these ladies off and on, I have to think what kind of education they have, and what drives them to this profession other than money.

DG - I'm not knocking them just feeling sorry for them

SpiderMan
01-14-2005, 03:04 PM
I'd feel sorry for anyone who is a drug addict or a murder victim, but not for someone who just uses her "attributes" to earn a "fabulous" salary. I'd say "go for it", if there are really that many who will pay to watch!

SpiderMan

sack316
01-14-2005, 10:41 PM
I've known some strippers that have degrees and excellent intellect to bring into the work force... but they say they can just make so much more money dancing, and retire pretty darn young. Guess if ya love what ya do...

Dagwood
01-14-2005, 11:35 PM
I agree that dancing is a very lucrative way to make excellent money. I've known dancers to make in the 6 figures easily. But I don't agree in discussing it with middle school kids. Not to deny that it exists to them, but not to advertise that it should be a career choice. For many it's not a choice, but the only way they can make it. And there is a very ugly side to the business as well. The students, where they can be very worldly, can also as we all know, very naive as well, and ignore the fact that there is that side to the business. That public speaker was doing them a disservice telling them that exotic dancing is a viable career option to be thinking about as an asolescent. Funny, yes. But entirely innapropriate.

BTW, not attacking anyone with this. Just voicing my opinion is all. Sorry if it's coming across as an attack. It's not.

Dags

highsea
01-14-2005, 11:48 PM
It's a terrible thing to suggest to a middle school girl that stripping is a viable career choice. For very girl that "makes it big" in that business, there are a thousand that fall victim to abuse. It's one thing to make it in a classy show in Vegas, and another thing entirely to end up in a seedy joint across from the airport.

I regognize I am am part of the problem, because I have spent my fair share of money on the girls, and when they are mature enough to make their own decisions, then so be it. But most of the girls I have known in the business were in it for one thing only, and that was to make a living. Given any other choice, the vast majority would not be doing it.

To present it to adolescents as an alternative to a serious education and career, is a crime, imo. If I was a parent in that school, I would be outraged.

SnakebyteXX
01-15-2005, 10:05 AM
There are a least two areas of our economy where not only does the demand consistantly exceed the supply but the potential profit is immense: illegal drugs and sex.

The problem with stripping for a living is that it amounts to little more than entry level prostitution. It's a small step from taking money for exposing your breasts or performing a lap dance to performing fellatio or sexual intercourse for bucks. The money lure that draws young girls into stripping is only the beginning. Throughout that journey in the audience of needy males there will be men more than willing to up the ante until they finally bid high enough to get what they really want.

There's an old joke about a well to do man who asks a sweet young thing if she'd be willing to sleep with him for a million dollars. Her answer is a resounding, "Yes!". To wit he asks her, "Well, would you be willing to sleep with me for one hundred dollars?" This time she answers, "Hell no, just what do you think I am?" The wealthy man responds, "I thought we'd already settled that - now, we're only negotiating over price."

When you willingly sell a part of your body for money it opens the door for offers on the whole package. Sooner or later you may find yourself with an offer you can't refuse.

Snake

Wally_in_Cincy
01-15-2005, 10:17 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SnakebyteXX:</font><hr>
When you willingly sell a part of your body for money it opens the door for offers on the whole package. Sooner or later you may find yourself with an offer you can't refuse.
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I have known a few "dancers" (unfortunately), as they prefer to be called. I really did not know any who were the classic definition of a prostitute. They made enough money dancing that they didn't have to do that. This is in the more upscale places. I'm sure there were some crack whores in the seedier joints but for reasons of personal safety I did not patronize those estabilishments.

Most of the girls I knew would eventually hook up with some wealthy older guy. There was one guy who owned a circus. He bought one of the girls a house.

Was there sex involved? Yes. Was there love involved? On one side only. I would qualify that as prostitution, only to a lesser degre than the classic call girl or streetwalker.

PQQLK9
01-15-2005, 10:23 AM
Jackie Kennedy and Onassis /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Wally_in_Cincy
01-15-2005, 11:28 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote PQQLK9:</font><hr> Jackie Kennedy and Onassis /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Anna Nicole Smith and the 89-year-old millionaire

Celine Dion and her post-middle-age manager

Shania Twain and her producer "Mutt" lange

this could go on forever....

PQQLK9
01-15-2005, 07:04 PM
Girlie golf tourneys

Two golf course managers and a tournament organizer in Norco, Calif., were sentenced to 125 days of house arrest recently for "tournaments" with prostitutes and strippers stationed along the greens.Officials said more than a dozen hookers and strippers set up tents and advertised their services on boards. About 160 golfers paid $200 apiece to play, though some showed up without their clubs. Write your own punch line here: /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/weird_news/10632312.htm

Wally_in_Cincy
01-17-2005, 06:36 AM
Belterra casino, about 70 miles downriver from here did the same thing. How stupid can they get, risking their gaming license, which is essentially a license to print money.

<font color="red">INDIANAPOLIS, IN -- An Ohio River casino must pay a $2.26 million fine and close for more than two days over allegations it entertained guests with prostitutes and money for gambling during a golf outing last year. According to commission documents, eight or more women, referred to several times as "hookers," were flown to the casino on a jet leased by Pinnacle to entertain guests at a golf outing in late June 2001. The guests, who were chosen by Pinnacle officials, attended the tournament by invitation. They and the women also attended parties on two nights in the Celebrity Room, an area adjacent to a concert arena.
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