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jjinfla
05-27-2002, 06:52 AM
After watching the Pros play we remember the bonehead plays they made and forget all the routine (for them) plays where they made the balls over and over getting position on the next ball.

After watching amateurs play we remember the occasional nice shot or the good runout and forget about all the times they failed to make the ball or get proper position on the next one.
Jake

Vagabond
05-27-2002, 07:19 AM
Howdy,
Some of the top Amateurs are as good as pros and some times better.In BCA and VNEA amateur nationals in Vegas I see pro level players playing and I do not know how they are allowed.Cheers
vagabond

Doctor_D
05-27-2002, 07:36 AM
Good morning:

Professional players, whether officially rated as such or not, have made a commitment to the game and the sport. This commitment, in addition to becoming the best player they are capable of becoming, also encompasses the player having become a "student" of the game.

Dr. D.

rackmup
05-27-2002, 08:27 AM
Professional Player

When asked what he does "for a living", he replies: "I'm a Professional Pool Player and an amateur, competitive swimmer."

Amateur Player

To the same question, he replies: "I'm a Professional Pool Cleaner and an aspiring Professional Pool Player."

Pro

When asked "How much money did you win last year?", his reply will be to the penny. The total will be greatly exaggerated.

Am

His reply will be vague: "I won a lot." This will also be greatly exaggerated.

Pro

When asked "How do you get to your tournaments?", the Pro will matter-of-factly state: "I fly, of course."

Am

He would reply: "I use a charter service." (What he means is he and 6 of his pool hall buddies cram into a rented Ford Escort and DRIVE.)

Pro

When asked: "Are you really good?", he would reply: "Yes."

Am

He would also reply: "Yes."

Pro

When asked: "Have you seen that pool movie, "The Color of Money"?, he would reply: "I was an advisor and personal instructor to Tom and Paul."

Am

The Amateur would reply: "Yes...but those shots were set up and Tom Cruise is really gay and Paul Newman is a has-been and neither one of them could hold a candle to me."

Pro

When asked: "Are you looking for some action?", the Pro would spend the next hour negotiating the weight, the bet, the sets and who's going to hold the cash.

Am

He would spend the next hour looking for change in the ashtray and under the floor mats of his car if he can't bum the cash from a friend.

Pro

Very temperamental after losing a few grand.

Am

Very temperamental after losing the rent payment.

Pro

Prone to lying.

Am

Prone to lying.

Regards,

Ken (neither pro or amateur anything...just cruising along in a position of mediocrity)

Kato
05-28-2002, 08:45 AM
It's what I do Monday through Friday and half a day Saturday. It's called having a job and paying the bills.

Kato~~~don't need to be pro or even good to love the game

Rich R.
05-28-2002, 08:52 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Kato:</font><hr> It's what I do Monday through Friday and half a day Saturday. It's called having a job and paying the bills.

Kato~~~don't need to be pro or even good to love the game <hr></blockquote>
I agree with you totally Kato.
Doing anything for a living, takes a lot of the fun out of it.
Rich R.~~~plays pool for fun.

05-28-2002, 09:19 AM

05-28-2002, 09:31 AM
both observations are very similiar in that we remember the plays that occur with less frequency. although, with the pros we are shocked, with the amateurs we are plaesantly surprised.

Rich R.
05-28-2002, 09:38 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: whitewolf:</font><hr> The region from which the pro caliber player comes from wants to win. It is like a feather in the cap of the league operators. There is a guy names Shorty from Va Beach that has (at one time) a .39 innings per game (in the APA)in 8 ball. A lot of times you break and just sit and watch him run 5 racks in a row. I have seen quite a few others who could be pro also, but they don't elect to go that route (so they can beat up on us I reckon LOL). <hr></blockquote>
There is a Shorty H. I have seen play in our area, but he is from Alexandria. Maybe a different guy. The Shorty I have seen, can run those racks and is also very accomplished at sharking his opponent, when he is not running those racks. LOL. JMHO. Rich R.

05-28-2002, 10:28 AM

Rich R.
05-28-2002, 12:10 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: whitewolf:</font><hr> Rich, have you seen Dennis Brison play? He lives/plays between Springfield and Richmond. In Valley Forge, I sent a money player over to test Dennis out. After Dennis ran 3 straight 8 ball racks just fooling around (jumping, comboing, and banking like a wildman), the money player came back to our huddle. I asked him how Dennis shot, and he said pretty damned good. He decided not to hustle Dennis. Some of my buddies who have seen Shorty and Dennis play cannot choose who may be the better of the two. <hr></blockquote>
The name is not familiar to me, so I can't say for sure that I have or have not seen him play.
If we are talking about the same Shorty, I know he can play very well. He finished 2nd in the U.S. Amateur Championship last year. That is a very stong field. When he is on, he does not miss much and he also plays one heck of a safety game. Rich R.

05-28-2002, 03:23 PM

phil in sofla
05-28-2002, 05:22 PM
Some song that gets played a lot in the ph has a lyric something like this:

'What's the difference between me and you? You don't do what you're supposed to do!'

A pro does what he/she is supposed to do, CONSISTENTLY. Runnable table, runs out. Not a runnable table, plays up to a good safety possibility and gets safe. Too hard a shot? Ducks.

A typical amateur handles these situations differently. Fails to get out on a runnable table with some frequency. Tries to run out table layouts not conducive to that. Too hard a shot? Goes for the shot. Not always, and not every amateur, of course. But typically, these are the kinds of 'mistakes' the amateur makes in strategy or playing within their capabilities, that a pro won't do.

Some very good players fall prey to these things at critical times, leading one pro to observe 'that is the kind of shot a short-stop would play.' Not that he isn't a good player, but doesn't have the discipline to always make the 'right' play.

If you find an 'A' player who does all the things they're supposed to do, they are playing a pro level kind of game, amateur or not.

Fred Agnir
05-29-2002, 06:25 AM
Often times, an amateur is defined by the shots he makes. A pro is defined by the shots he misses.

Fred

Rich R.
05-29-2002, 06:46 AM
I can't say that I have ever seen Dennis.

I have never seen Shorty wear a hat, but I have only seen him in tournaments. Maybe he takes it off for serious pool. LOL. He does go through a lot of torture when he gets out of line. I'm not sure if he is arguing with himself or just trying to shark the other player, to make sure he gets back to the table. LMAO. When he is losing, his antics are hard to explain. You have to see him some time. He plays in many of the local Planet Pool tournaments as well as some others.
Rich R.