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datplayer
01-22-2005, 03:58 PM
This road player/former Camel Pro guy, "Timmy" frequents our pool hall and often plays some big money games. The guy is a reall @ss and treats everyone like crap. He thinks he's above everyone else and I've witnessed him telling other players to quit talking, moving around because he's so-and-so and playing a big money game, and to not disturb him.

Anyways, last night, I was playing with a friend and a few tables down, "Timmy" is matching up with some guy, supposedly for $200 a set. Right next to his table comes a group of college kids, 5 or 6, and their girlfriends. They're having a great time and you can clearly see that "Timmy" is getting annoyed.

Later, one of the these guys takes a picture of his girlfriend playing pool with his flash camera. "Timmy" was taking a shot, and he missed it. He jumped up, runs over to this guy yelling obscenities, and tries to grab the camera.

What happens next is classic. This kid, who doesn't know who "Timmy" is or really doesn't care, decks him. Clean shot right in the nose. He goes down and was completely out. "Timmy"'s two cousins pick him up, but were smart enough not to get involved with those kids.

Needless to say, he was unable to finish his match. Not sure if the other guy collected or not. It was great to see him get what was coming to him. I would love, LOVE to see this happen to someone like Earl one day. A jerk that treats everyone around him like crap. Just waiting for a fan one day to stand up to him and knock him out.

Chris Cass
01-22-2005, 04:30 PM
Sounds like Timmy should hit the counter guy the next time he's in town. Timmy had no right to hit the innocent but if he's playing for $200. a set he should be set off on a table where noone can be distractive. Clearly a case of the counter man not knowing jack about jack.

I also don't think you shouldn't say things, hoping Earl gets his own. It's not right to wish others misfortune. JMHO Earl has a lot to be disgusted about. A man like Earl has bigger troubles than you might know of. If anything, hope Earl finds peace in playing like he did when he was little. It's know fun playing the sport you love and getting frustated playing to his caliber and not being able to count on any finacial benifit for the future.

Regards,

C.C.~~not a player hater.

Wally_in_Cincy
01-22-2005, 04:43 PM
Cass, the "playa" should have known better than to go up and start f***ing with the young camera flasher. Just because he intimidates everybody else in the pool room he felt he could get away with it.

Of course the punch in the nose was a bit extreme and could conceivably lead to civil or criminal action but there are some people who are possesed of a particularly sour disposition who eventually mess with the wrong person.

It's like road rage. Be careful who you flip off. There are hotheads out there.

you're right about the counter man though /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

datplayer
01-22-2005, 04:45 PM
Our pool room is right by a college campus, and is extremely busy on Friday nights. Coincidentially, it also has the best tables in town. I know for a fact that they do not hold tables/areas just for money games, since usually there is a waiting list by 9pm. Now if the manager was there, he may have made arrangements. From the way it looked, they were at it for a few hours, and then the place began to get busy.

As far as Earl goes, I have very little sympathy for him. No matter how frustrated he becomes, he cannot treat people like that. If he does not want that "misfortune", then quit acting like a punk. I'm sure he's not the only pro out there who is in financial trouble, but that is a poor excuse.

Remindes me of Randy Johnson and that NY camera man. I wish the guy would have shoved Randy back. But the guy's 6'10", so maybe it it was smart to back off /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

PQQLK9
01-22-2005, 04:56 PM
I say good for ol'Timmy. Sort of reminds me of this song. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

BAD, BAD LEROY BROWN

Well the south side of chicago
Is the baddest part of town
And if you go down there
You better just beware
Of a man named leroy brown

Now leroy more than trouble
You see he stand ’bout six foot four
All the downtown ladies call him treetop lover
All the mens just call him sir

And it’s bad, bad leroy brown
The baddest man in the whole damn town
Badder than old king kong
And meaner than a junkyard dog

Now leroy he a gambler
And he like his fancy clothes
And he like to wave his diamond rings
In front of everybody’s nose
He got a custom continental
He got an eldorado too
He got a 32 gun in his pocket for fun
He got a razor in his shoe

And it’s bad, bad leroy brown
The baddest man in the whole damn town
Badder than old king kong
And meaner than a junkyard dog

Well friday bout a week ago
Leroy shootin’ dice
And at the edge of the bar
Sat a girl named doris
And ooh that girl looked nice
Well he cast his eyes upon her
And the trouble soon began
And leroy brown learned a lesson
’bout messin’ with the wife of a jealous man

And it’s bad, bad leroy brown
The baddest man in the whole damned town
Badder than old king kong
And meaner than a junkyard dog,

Well the two men took to fightin’
And when they pulled them from the floor
Leroy looked like a jigsaw puzzle
With a couple of pieces gone

And it’s bad, bad leroy brown
The baddest man in the whole damn town
Badder than old king kong
And meaner than a junkyard dog

Wally_in_Cincy
01-22-2005, 05:25 PM
[ QUOTE ]
meaner than a junkyard dog <hr /></blockquote>

and almost as mean as a junkyard PoolDawg /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Pappy used to say mess with the bull you get the horns

off to the semis......

mksmith713
01-22-2005, 06:59 PM
How was the guy Timmy was playing tolerating the college kids?
IMO, if you have focus, nothing can interrupt you.
Granted, the counter guy should have $$$ games between well known players set aside, preferably on a table with ample seating so other can watch and enjoy the competition.

But what if there was no room?
What if the place was full and that was the only table available?
As a proprieter, I'm not going to turn down a paying customer to keep an ampty table available for these guys, especially since they're paying the same rate (most times less or free) table rates as everyone else?

As far a punching Timmy in the face, well, the guy was being threatened.
I would have reacted the same way. Probably a little quicker.
It's guys like Timmy that give the game a bad name.

Have fun all.......

SPetty
01-22-2005, 08:13 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> Be careful who you flip off. There are hotheads out there.<hr /></blockquote>My spouse predicts that's how I'll die.

FastJoey
01-22-2005, 08:22 PM
Timmy is old enough and apparently experienced enough to know what he likes and dislikes..by that i mean he could easily have asked the counter man to assign other people to tables away from him..if the hall started to fill with people then Timmy should have taken his money game elsewhere or to another time of day.perhaps when the hall opens as usually there are not many people around in the day time playing pool....the carefree talk of hitting some one especially when they do not expect it can easily turn into a very tragic incident...the victim can very easily hit his head on the floor and be killed.........it is not worth spending a good part of your life in prison simply for showing off.....i can understand thehigh intensity level at which Timmy and others play at..but it is not worth a human life !!!!!!!

GeraldG
01-22-2005, 08:32 PM
Timmy got what he asked for. I'm not saying that poleaxing him was right, but it was damned sure predictable. When you put your hands on someone in an aggressive fashion, you need to be ready to have your profile rearranged. I am one that will avoid a fight if at all possible. But, I will not allow anyone to manhandle me. I may have reacted exactly the same way. Timmy had absolutely no right to accost the kid, no matter who he is (or thinks he is). He should have gone to the manager and asked him to make some other arrangements or ask the kid not to use flash in the pool hall. When he took it in his own hands and went after the kid...well, the results speak for themselves.

datplayer
01-22-2005, 09:21 PM
I paid attention to the match, since I knew that Timmy would get PO. He actually did not react to much of anything until the guy took the picture. His opponent did not seem very upset at all and it was pretty impressive to see his focus.

BTW, the group of kids were asked to leave, which they did. Not much happened afterwards. Maybe he'll learn something from this.

Vagabond
01-23-2005, 08:00 AM
Howdy,
Many gamblers feel that they are important and their game is impotant.To their mind,others do not exhist.If any one moving around ,the guy gets upset but at the same time the guy stands at the table when his opponent is shooting and some times the guy even stands infront of the pocket the opponent is shooting.
In the case u described it appears to me that ``timmy`` assaulted that college kid first and the kid defended himself by battering ``Timmy``.Cheers
Vagabond /ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif

straightpool
01-23-2005, 08:23 AM
Why do people think it is the counterman's job to settle this. Why should He cater to someone who is paying the same table time as the guy next to him.Is it because he's gambling? Who cares. I'm tired of guys thinking they own a pool hall because they are betting. They fly off at the handle if a cell phone rings, or someone comes near their table,or whatever. I treat the patron next to my table the same no matter what. Catering to big time gamblers,c'mon. Most pool halls could do without them. They are more problems than they are worth!

cubswin
01-23-2005, 09:28 AM
At times I've found myself getting short with people talking to me while I'm shooting, or standing by the table. People not involved in the game.

But I've never tried to take something away from anyone. Last year or two I've tried much harder to be nice, and just ask those who are annoying me if they could step away, or wait until after I take my shot to talk with me.

Being nice is so much easier than being short/[censored] like with people. Now if I could only do it all the time I'd be a lot happier in life.

Timmy should have asked them to not take pictures with the flash nicely. Probably would have worked. Now you don't say if Timmy was up or down, I'm guessing down by the reaction.

mksmith713
01-23-2005, 10:22 AM
I don't know about most states, but in Maryland,gambling is illegal.
Back in thelate 80's, I managed a bowling center that had a nice pool room that was frequented by many a excellent player.
I remember Mike Sigel playing a little one pocket in there a few times.
Anyway, the bowling center served beer and that was a big source of income for that place.

If law enforcement officers had come in there as a complaint on an incident like that,not only we have permanently lost our license to serve beer, they would have shut the bowling center down and fined the owner.

In Maryland, Timmy and his fellow competitor would have been in the wrong from the get go.

Most proprietors tend to turn the other cheek when it comes to money games.
The players need to respect that the owners of these pool rooms have alot to lose by allowing them to play their money games.
I know this seems extreme, but it needed to be addressed.

Next time you have a money game in a state where gambling is prohibited, stop and thank the proprieter.
He has alot to lose by allowing it.

DavidMorris
01-23-2005, 10:34 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote mksmith713:</font><hr> I don't know about most states, but in Maryland,gambling is illegal.<hr /></blockquote>
We had a discussion here about this recently, and it seems that many states that outlaw gambling do so only where the house takes a share of the pot (like in a casino). Gambling between individuals is generally tolerated, whether by law or by turning a blind eye. Here in Georgia we have a law against such things as slot machines and video poker in an establishment (because they take income from them) but Texas Hold'em tourneys are advertised in the newspaper. As long as the house doesn't get a cut of the action it's considered okay. Most such establishments just host the tournaments, sometimes adding money to the pot themselves, because they aim to make money from food and drink.

Popcorn
01-23-2005, 11:49 AM
We have different ideas of what is funny. We had a case here where a man hit another at a movie theater, they were both in their 70's. One fell and was killed and the other went to trial for his killing. The first time around there was a hung jury and before the second trial he pleaded out and got I believe 2 years, he was facing 15 if he went back to trial. All this because someone was taking too long in a ticket line. In the case of the guy grabbing the camera self defense would be pretty weak and I doubt this is over. I would not be surprised to see the room owner dragged into it as well, at least his insurance company. No I don't find this kind of thing funny.

Popcorn
01-23-2005, 12:14 PM
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"It's know fun playing the sport you love and getting frustated playing to his caliber and not being able to count on any finacial benifit for the future."

I don't know about that, he may be one of the few who can count on financial benefit. He should wake up everyday with a frozen smile on his face he has been so fortunate in a sport very very few make any living at all at and is the last person who should be complaining. There may be a time when he looks back and realize how fortunate he has really been. Most people never know what they have till they lose it.

mksmith713
01-23-2005, 12:27 PM
In Maryland, the only gambling allowed is that which benefits a charitable organization.
Church Bingo's, Raffles held by Volunteer Fire Companies etc.
It seems kinda funny how some groups can get around the law or have the law tweaked to meet their needs.
An example would be Big Bingo Halls, state lotteries and horse racetracks.
I guess you can gamble, as long as the stae get their cut.

Popcorn
01-23-2005, 01:32 PM
The same could be said for anything, licenses, taxes and so on. You can't just put a sign on top or your car and begin playing taxi or open a restaurant in your house, there are laws and regulations. It is more then just the state wanting it's cut.

datplayer
01-23-2005, 05:04 PM
[ QUOTE ]
We have different ideas of what is funny. We had a case here where a man hit another at a movie theater, they were both in their 70's. One fell and was killed and the other went to trial for his killing. The first time around there was a hung jury and before the second trial he pleaded out and got I believe 2 years, he was facing 15 if he went back to trial. All this because someone was taking too long in a ticket line. In the case of the guy grabbing the camera self defense would be pretty weak and I doubt this is over. I would not be surprised to see the room owner dragged into it as well, at least his insurance company. No I don't find this kind of thing funny.<hr /></blockquote>

Hey, I do not enjoy watching people get hurt or killed. What I enjoyed was seeing him get what he deserved. I would not share this story and call it "funny" if someone was killed.

The point is, you can't go around treating people like crap and expect to get away with it. This kid just did what many people would do and stand up for himself. And since I happen to know that "Timmy" does this act to other people, it was just a matter of time that he messed with the wrong guy.

GeraldG
01-23-2005, 06:25 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Popcorn:</font><hr> We have different ideas of what is funny. We had a case here where a man hit another at a movie theater, they were both in their 70's. One fell and was killed and the other went to trial for his killing. The first time around there was a hung jury and before the second trial he pleaded out and got I believe 2 years, he was facing 15 if he went back to trial. All this because someone was taking too long in a ticket line. In the case of the guy grabbing the camera self defense would be pretty weak and I doubt this is over. I would not be surprised to see the room owner dragged into it as well, at least his insurance company. No I don't find this kind of thing funny. <hr /></blockquote>

This is a very good point and is something that should be considered long and hard before allowing a confrontation to turn physical. People get hurt, sometimes even killed. I remember a situation years ago (probably 30 or more years ago) in Alabama where a couple of guys got into a squabble over a $5.00 game of 9-ball. One of the guys had already unscrewed and was putting his cues away and the other one came after him. The guy that had already unscrewed ended up hitting the other guy in the side of his head with the butt of his cue. He hit him so hard that it knocked his eye out of the socket and crushed the bone next to his eye. He ended up dying in the hospital and the other guy was charged with murder. Over a stupid $5.00 game of 9-ball.

I've been aired on games I've won a bunch of times. I just remember not to play that guy for money any more. I would never consider starting a fight over it. It's just not worth it. In the first place, I have absolutely no desire to hurt anyone. In the second place I have no desire to be hurt. In the last place, I have no desire to spend time in jail over something stupid like that.

On the other hand, if someone makes and aggressive physical move toward me, I have to take it seriously. I'm going to try to put him on the floor before he can put me there. When someone does something like that, you don't know what their intentions are and you may not have a lot of time to figure it out.

Popcorn
01-23-2005, 10:41 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/05/schuss.trial/
I found the story I was talking about on the net. All he had to do was walk away. They are now ruined the case cost the over $100,000 to defend and they lost a civil suit that will bankrupt the family and basically end what should have been a happy retirement, all for what, stupid ego? One choice like that can change your life forever. We have a friend who's son is in jail now for the same kind of thing outside a bar and the family went broke paying the defense. An entire family ruined, a person dead because of a stupid fight, not that different from what happened in the pool room in this story. And I will repeat, not at all funny.

LARRY_BOY
01-24-2005, 09:36 AM
It's not the counter man's fault for giving him the table it's Timmy's for taking it........