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LeftyIke
01-26-2005, 09:17 PM
Those that see tournaments live and on a regular basis, see what the players are trying to do. What impresses you most and what about their game do you like? If you needed someone to run the last rack for the cash, would it automatically be Reyes; or could it be Bustamante/Strickland/Deuel/Morris/Souquet/Alex P. etc?

GeraldG
01-26-2005, 09:39 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote LeftyIke:</font><hr> Those that see tournaments live and on a regular basis, see what the players are trying to do. What impresses you most and what about their game do you like? If you needed someone to run the last rack for the cash, would it automatically be Reyes; or could it be Bustamante/Strickland/Deuel/Morris/Souquet/Alex P. etc? <hr /></blockquote>

I guess it would go like this for me:

1. Efren Reyes for pure creativity, absolute control and perfect execution. This man comes up with shots that I would never see in a million years.

2. Corey Deuel for incredible shotmaking ability, demeanor and heart. I think Corey is going to go a long way.

3. Johnny Archer because he's an incredible pool player, 4 time World Champion, down-to-earth nice guy and he's my friend (and one hell of an instructor). /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif Johnny is devoting a lot of time to his wife and Johnny Lee Jr., right now, but he'll be back just as strong as ever.

4. Jeanette Lee because she's another incredible pool player and for the way she relates to her fans. A real ambassador to the sport.

5. I think I would have to divide this one between 2 incredible players...Allison Fisher and Karen Corr. This is just based on pure playing ability. These women are unbelievable.

These are just 5 that come to mind...it would have been easier if you said I could name my favorite 10...or 20. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif I'm leaving out people like Parica, Jones, Strickland, Immonen, Hohman, Harriman...and a bunch of others that deserve mention here.

pooltchr
01-27-2005, 05:50 AM
Archer for his focus
Rodney Morris for his personality and ability
Corey for his shot making
Allison for her pure mechanics and fundamentals
Kelly Fisher...Watch her and you will know why!

Sid_Vicious
01-27-2005, 06:37 AM
What if though you had to pick one player to make one difficult shot, "for your mortal life?" This very topic was discussed yesterday at SPetty's, and I'd have to agree with Cane, Earl Strickland. You may not like him, but the pressure and skill required get him my vote as well for a one "must make ball."

The most impressed I am with a player today is Kim Ga Young, no doubts...sid

DickLeonard
01-27-2005, 06:59 AM
Sid back in my day the players all agreed that they would
want Whimpy Lassiter to shoot that shot. In the Worlds Tournaments of the 60s he was beating the best straight pool players with a nineball players game.

He put the Fear of God in his opponents. He wasn't running 100s it was that 79-71 and out,84-66 and out. It was great pool to watch.

I went to one nineball tourney at Turning Stone Casino and saw Charlie Williams,Efren Reyes and a few others whose names escapes me. In 6 hours I might have seen 150 balls
pocketed and cues chalked 400 times. The only thing I tought would be worse than that was watching Grass Grow.####

Deeman2
01-27-2005, 07:33 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Sid_Vicious:</font><hr> What if though you had to pick one player to make one difficult shot, "for your mortal life?" This very topic was discussed yesterday at SPetty's, and I'd have to agree with Cane, Earl Strickland. You may not like him, but the pressure and skill required get him my vote as well for a one "must make ball."

<font color="blue"> Sid, Let's not get Cane in trouble here. I was the one that said Strickland on a shot for my life but Cane did not disagree. </font color>

The most impressed I am with a player today is Kim Ga Young, no doubts...sid <font color="blue">Tori and you both agree on this.

I think the above posts are quite accurate and thoughtful. I do feel like it's harder to maeasure the strength of players than when the game was 14.1. A little off topic here but I never had the pleasure of seeing Mr. Dick Leonard play. However, I remember his name in many conversations in my salad days in the south when talking of "Yankee" players (remember in my uneducated youth, anyone for north of Blythville, Arkansas was suspect of being a Yankee!!) /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif. We would hear about the greats in diifferent areas like Chicago, NY, Phily and LA. Every time the NY players were mentioned Dick would be in the conversations along with a few others most will never hear of. Sadly, while pool is played at a very high level, there are no esay milestones to measure them by in overall greatness (like century breaks) since the games are so varied and chopped up in TV rules and race limitations. It may not be fair to say most of the newer players have not run hundreds on a consistent basis as there's unfortunately just not that much straight poooled played day-to-day anymore. A lot of us might be ashamed of our high runs in the last 10 years but, I have played maybe 10 hours total of 14.1 in that time and most against my wife! SPetty gave me a sideways compliment on one of those throw shots yesterday the she said "You old timers" can make but some say do not really exist.(Chill Fred I don't want to start another math thread here). At 52, I probably am joining the club of old timers or "Old Farts" at least but I really miss some of the beauty of the old games and how well the older guys played in their heyday. One day, and I hope it's many, many years before he's gone, we'll be saluting Dick and wishing the hell we had him relate more stories. Anyone who has see Ronnie Allen play on the old tapes and watched bank after bank after bank hit center pocket on length of the table tight pocket one pocket and doesn't understand what we are losing are not exposed much of the beauty of this game. I love nine ball, I think I play it at a good level. However, there is soooooo much more to this game and I fear we are losing it to TV pool and smack 'em around the table pool and jump 'em if you got 'em pool. Just my crumudgeon epping up. I'll take that Valium now.

Deeman

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ragin1
01-27-2005, 08:28 AM
"One day, and I hope it's many, many years before he's gone, we'll be saluting Dick and wishing the hell we had him relate more stories. Anyone who has see Ronnie Allen play on the old tapes and watched bank after bank after bank hit center pocket on length of the table tight pocket one pocket and doesn't understand what we are losing are not exposed much of the beauty of this game."

Well said Deeman2. I think I was posting to Hemicuda ($Bill) on southernbilliards the other week about this topic. The road gamblers are a true part of our American culture. It's a shame that many of these great players will go down, and have died, without so much as a footnote. Many players are just a reference in a conversation. I havn't seen Grady's tribute to the history and am looking forward to it. There is some people out there with this history in their heads. How to get it, who to get it from, and finding pics is quite a monumental task.

Deeman2
01-27-2005, 09:08 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Deeman2:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Sid_Vicious:</font><hr> What if though you had to pick one player to make one difficult shot, "for your mortal life?" This very topic was discussed yesterday at SPetty's, and I'd have to agree with Cane, Earl Strickland. You may not like him, but the pressure and skill required get him my vote as well for a one "must make ball."

<font color="blue"> Sid, Let's not get Cane in trouble here. I was the one that said Strickland on a shot for my life but Cane did not disagree. </font color> <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="green"> Sid, another point. After I said I'd pick Earl to shoot the shot for my life, I also said I'd probably bitch slap him right before he shot. Nothing like an enraged Earl to focus him. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Deeman</font color>

Sid_Vicious
01-27-2005, 09:08 AM
OOPS, yea you did say that, besides Cane didn't seem like the B-slapping kind if you catch my drift. I remembered that part of it anyway, should'a remembered you in the process.

"SPetty gave me a sideways compliment on one of those throw shots yesterday the she said "You old timers" can make but some say do not really exist"

I told you kinda the same thing on that one jammed stroke into the corner on one of the first 9-ball games we played, "I didn't think that shot went" and you said "It didn't." Well, it did. It's not the first time I've been surprised like that mind you, and yet I still have not developed even an inkling of how I would personally control those shots, other than double jumping, which I don't believe you did on your shot against me.

"remember in my uneducated youth, anyone for north of Blytheville, Arkansas was suspect of being a Yankee!!"

Blytheville had yankees, a big military base there when I was a kid, and my family did a lot of camping at Norfork Lake and visited with that bunch like clockwork. All in all, they were a fun group, maybe the fact that everyone was drinking alcohol and sitting around a camp fire reminiscing helped with attitudes...sid~~~52 also but denies belonging to or marching toward and kind of farting club, maybe I will if I ever get to insisting on having beans in my chili ;-)

Deeman2
01-27-2005, 09:11 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote ragin1:</font><hr> "One day, and I hope it's many, many years before he's gone, we'll be saluting Dick and wishing the hell we had him relate more stories. Anyone who has see Ronnie Allen play on the old tapes and watched bank after bank after bank hit center pocket on length of the table tight pocket one pocket and doesn't understand what we are losing are not exposed much of the beauty of this game."

Well said Deeman2. I think I was posting to Hemicuda ($Bill) on southernbilliards the other week about this topic. The road gamblers are a true part of our American culture. It's a shame that many of these great players will go down, and have died, without so much as a footnote. Many players are just a reference in a conversation. I havn't seen Grady's tribute to the history and am looking forward to it. There is some people out there with this history in their heads. How to get it, who to get it from, and finding pics is quite a monumental task. <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue"> ragin1

Wouldn't it be nice for a fine writer (like GF) to be funded to go around and interview these guys, one at a time for a few s days each and write a book? Would that not be the mother of all pool books? </font color>

Deeman

Sid_Vicious
01-27-2005, 09:21 AM
You've written books haven't you. I say we elect to make Petty's Pool Hall the Literary Guild for The Unknown Pool Players, get the Bush admin to create a fund in the budget to bring these players in to No. Texas, pay you upper 6 figures to interview them, and of course give Sid a healthy per diem to be the rack boy...life would be good!!!sid

BTW, LeRoy would need expense money as well to add-on so that we could toss in a 6x12 snooker and a 10' heated billiard table, plus the hotdog turner would need to be much bigger ;-)

jjinfla
01-27-2005, 12:43 PM
No one mentioned Mike Sigel?

Or were you just thinking of current players.
I watched Rodney Morris shoot a ball like it was a golf ball. Everything went in so easily. Strickland has great days. Johnny Archer can beat anybody on any given day. Efren is at the top of his game right now. And when Corey Deuel wants to win he does. Sometimes when I watch him I have the feeling he would rather be at the golf course. And usually he is on the 2nd day of the tournament.

Whatever happened to Ginki? Does he play in any of the local tournaments like the Joss?

And of course there is Hoeman, Yeoung, Williams, Hillbilly, and the list just goes on and on.

Jake

Rod
01-27-2005, 01:05 PM
Well if a 12 footer was available I might show up. Anyone up for a cheap game of golf? LOL

~~rod, wonders if he could make expenses

Deeman2
01-27-2005, 01:30 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Sid_Vicious:</font><hr> You've written books haven't you. <font color="blue"> Yep, just no one reads the pool related ones! /ccboard/images/graemlins/frown.gif </font color> I say we elect to make Petty's Pool Hall the Literary Guild for The Unknown Pool Players, get the Bush admin to create a fund in the budget to bring these players in to No. Texas, pay you upper 6 figures to interview them, <font color="blue"> I couldn't stand the pay cut but I'd love the job... /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif</font color> and of course give Sid a healthy per diem to be the rack boy.. <font color="blue"> Shall we say, Vice President of Ball Alignment and CEO of Tip Inspection? Government Grant, Super Slush Fund. </font color> .life would be good!!!sid

BTW, LeRoy would need expense money as well to add-on so that we could toss in a 6x12 snooker <font color="blue"> Nope, I feel like a certain player (Rod, stands for Rob Old Deeman)would come cripple us at golf! I might play him some one hole...</font color> and a 10' heated billiard table, <font color="blue"> Now your talkin' </font color> plus the hotdog turner would need to be much bigger ;-) <hr /></blockquote> <font color="blue"> Could we make SPetty Queen of Texas, secede and call LeRoy Prince, the artist formerly known as "I gotta go work on something while you idiots shoot!" </font color>

Voodoo Daddy
01-27-2005, 03:06 PM
Efren---Do I really have to say why?

Corey---I watched him beat the ghost in 12 ball rotation, running the last 7 racks.

Hillbilly Bryant---tremendous power, fearless.

Allison Fischer---next best thing to Balukas, IMO!!

Cliff Joyner---exciting to watch...endless creativity.

crawdaddio
01-27-2005, 03:37 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Voodoo Daddy:</font><hr>
Corey---I watched him beat the ghost in 12 ball rotation, running the last 7 racks.

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At the DCC he got ten to one odds on breaking and running all fifteen into one pocket, and won. He ran the last 11 racks in a row.......... /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

~DC

SPetty
01-28-2005, 11:42 AM
I don't really care for Earl Strickland and will not go out of my way to see him play and actually, I will take effort to avoid watching him play. The other day, I listened as the guys chatted about Earl whilst hanging out on the front porch, selecting him to shoot their "life or death" shot and saying funny things regarding his adopted kid... But as you've heard before, I heard again that Earl is a nice and normal person away from the table. Anyway, then I read this thread yesterday and must have had Earl in my subconscious because...

I had a weird dream about Earl Strickland.

As is usual in my dreams, it wasn't any place I've been before, but as far as I could tell it was a pool tournament venue of some sort at or near a hotel or something. I never did see the pool tables or the tournament, and I don't know if it was before or after the tourney, but I somehow hooked up with Earl and we hung around doing things. We spent hours hanging out and walking around (I remember walking past the hotel, I remember being in some weeds, I remember being in a mall-like setting, I remember something like a fair), so I got to see him interacting with all sorts of people. I saw people's reactions when they recognized him, and noticed that most folks didn't recognize him at all even though the reason for being there was a pool tournament. Some simply stared while others pointed and whispered.

I don't recall that he spoke much, but when he did it wasn't that irritating voice that he brings to the tournaments, but more deep and soothing (like Chopstick's /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif ). He was kind and normal and clever and witty. He was nice and gracious and cordial and funny.

Like I said, weird!

At one point, we stopped by the sunglasses vendor and he was trying on different sunglasses. He picked out a real strange looking pair and made this funny wacky smile to me to show he saw the humor in it (you know, because of those glasses he's been known to wear at tourneys).

Anyway, it was one of those dreams that seems so real, I have to say it feels like Earl and I are good friends now. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I probably shouldn't have shared this in public... /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Wally_in_Cincy
01-28-2005, 11:59 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SPetty:</font><hr> ...I probably shouldn't have shared this in public... /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif

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If it helps, I have had stranger dreams than that about Teri Hatcher /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Deeman2
01-28-2005, 12:21 PM
SPetty,

You have now done what Spock would have called a "Lucid Dream Mind Meld" with Earl and you guys will now get along just fine. He would love the way your tables play, love your taste in pool decorations and, being a Southern Lad, he would crave your chili..... /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I wish Earl would behave a lot better as well but he's a sweetheart compared to Johnny Mac and they gave him a TV Show (now cancelled by a right wing conspiracy). In our discussion of Earl, my point had to do with his remarkable shotmaking ability and the fact that if he shot a shot for my life, I'd slap him just to make sure he was in the "Earl" mood.

Earl's Rules: (my take)

1. Jump cues should be burned in a big pile.

2. Championship Play should be on good quality tables with pockets 1/8th inch or less larger than the balls.

3. People should applaud good shots.

4. 42 should be considered old in pool.

5. Lucky shots are great for both players, lucky rolls are bad for one of the two.

6. Finger extensions can be sexy and should be patentable.

7. Sunglasses can't make everyone look good.
/ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Deeman

GeraldG
01-28-2005, 01:13 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SPetty:</font><hr> I don't really care for Earl Strickland and will not go out of my way to see him play and actually, I will take effort to avoid watching him play. The other day, I listened as the guys chatted about Earl whilst hanging out on the front porch, selecting him to shoot their "life or death" shot and saying funny things regarding his adopted kid... But as you've heard before, I heard again that Earl is a nice and normal person away from the table. Anyway, then I read this thread yesterday and must have had Earl in my subconscious because...

I had a weird dream about Earl Strickland.

As is usual in my dreams, it wasn't any place I've been before, but as far as I could tell it was a pool tournament venue of some sort at or near a hotel or something. I never did see the pool tables or the tournament, and I don't know if it was before or after the tourney, but I somehow hooked up with Earl and we hung around doing things. We spent hours hanging out and walking around (I remember walking past the hotel, I remember being in some weeds, I remember being in a mall-like setting, I remember something like a fair), so I got to see him interacting with all sorts of people. I saw people's reactions when they recognized him, and noticed that most folks didn't recognize him at all even though the reason for being there was a pool tournament. Some simply stared while others pointed and whispered.

I don't recall that he spoke much, but when he did it wasn't that irritating voice that he brings to the tournaments, but more deep and soothing (like Chopstick's /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif ). He was kind and normal and clever and witty. He was nice and gracious and cordial and funny.

Like I said, weird!

At one point, we stopped by the sunglasses vendor and he was trying on different sunglasses. He picked out a real strange looking pair and made this funny wacky smile to me to show he saw the humor in it (you know, because of those glasses he's been known to wear at tourneys).

Anyway, it was one of those dreams that seems so real, I have to say it feels like Earl and I are good friends now. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I probably shouldn't have shared this in public... /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif

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I'm sure some form of therapy is available for this. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Jimmy B
01-28-2005, 05:30 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote LeftyIke:</font><hr> Those that see tournaments live and on a regular basis, see what the players are trying to do. What impresses you most <hr /></blockquote>

1) Efren----He has a good birthday

2) Alex-----Best young shooter

3) Kid D-----Pure consintration

4) Gabe Owen----1 pocket like you dream about

5) Lil Jon------Bet his own money in the biggest ring game I've ever seen.

JB

bankrollD
01-28-2005, 06:44 PM
I know most of these guys and my thoughts are this.
1 Efren - goes without saying.
2 Souquet- show me a better pure tourney player
3 Cliff- always good action
4 Shannon- great rep, people still are wary to bet him
5 Watson- most fun to watch get the cash
To shoot the shot for my life- Varner- anybody remember a clutch 9 he missed?

Deeman2
01-29-2005, 10:44 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote bankrollD:</font><hr>

To shoot the shot for my life- Varner- anybody remember a clutch 9 he missed? <hr /></blockquote>

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