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glholzer
01-26-2005, 10:21 PM
Socialism USA from cpusa.org website

We Communists believe that socialism is the very best replacement for a capitalist system that has served its purpose, but no longer meets the needs and requirements of the great majority of our people.

We believe that socialism USA will be built according to the traditions, history, culture and conditions of the United States. Thus, it will be different from any other socialist society in the world. It will be uniquely American.

What will be the goals of our socialist society?
1. A life free of exploitation, insecurity, poverty; an end to unemployment, hunger and homelessness.
2. An end to racism, national oppression, anti-Semitism, all forms of discrimination, prejudice and bigotry. An end to the unequal status of women.
3. Renewal and extension of democracy; an end to the rule of corporate America and private ownership of the wealth of our nation. Creation of a truly humane and rationally planned society that will stimulate the fullest flowering of the human personality, creativity and talent.
4. The advocates and ideologues of capitalism hold that such goals are utopian; that human beings are inherently selfish and evil. Others argue that these goals can be fully realized under capitalism.

We are confident, however, that such goals can be realized, but only through a socialist society.

Why Socialism?
Since its inception capitalism has been fatally flawed. Its inherent laws - to maximize profit on the backs of the working class - give rise to the class struggle.

History is a continuous story of people rising up against those who exploit and oppress them, to demand what's theirs. Our own country's historic beginning was revolutionary. The ideals of justice and equality have inspired peoples for centuries.

Up until the time of Karl Marx, those that advocated socialism were "utopians", that is, motivated by ideals only. It was Marx and his longtime friend and collaborator, Frederick Engels, who uncovered the inner laws of capitalism, where profit comes from and how societies develop. They transformed wishful thinking for socialism into socialism with a scientific, materialist basis.

Communists say that capitalism won't be around forever. Just like previous societies weren't around forever either. Slavery gave rise to feudalism and feudalism to capitalism. So, too, capitalism gives rise to socialism.

The Foundations of Socialism
Political power would be in the hands of working people. Socialism starts with nationalization of the main means of production - the plants, factories, agri-business farms and everything necessary to produce what society needs. The large monopoly corporations and banks come under public ownership, that is, under the collective ownership of the entire working class and people, who have the leading role in building socialism.

Socialism also means public ownership of the energy industry and all the natural resources. It eliminates forever the power of the capitalist class to exploit and oppress the majority.

A socialist government draws up plans covering the entire economy. They are drawn up with maximum participation of the people, from the shop level on up. Such plans are achieved because they harmonize the interests of all, because there are no conflicts arising from exploitation of workers and no dog-eat-dog competition.

Production increases much faster than under capitalism, with a planned economy, advancement of science and technology, and the protection and preservation of our environment and natural resources.

A socialist government is based on all-around democracy, starting with economic democracy. The more people participate in running their own economy, the more firmly people's power is established, the more successful a socialist America will be.

Trade unions in a socialist USA will insure a fair balance between what workers produce and what they receive. They will have decisive power to enforce safety and health provisions, prevent speedup, and guarantee good transportation, working conditions and plant facilities.

Public services - schools, hospitals, utilities, transit, parks, roads - are crumbling under capitalism. And now corporations are "privatizing" government-run, publicly-owned institutions for private profit.

Under socialism public services and housing will be vastly improved and expanded. They will be broadened in their scope beyond anything dreamed of under capitalism.

The U.S. will become a vast construction site. Homes, schools, hospitals, places of recreation will be built to end shortages, replace substandard infrastructures and public facilities.

Jobs and Education for All
Full employment will be quickly achieved as production is expanded to satisfy the needs of people. Automation at the service of the working people will lead to both reduced hours of work and higher living standards, with no layoffs. There will be no danger of over-production since production will be planned and people's incomes will increase in line with the rising output of consumer goods and services.

Poverty will be ended quickly with the recovery of the vast resources now wasted in war production, corporate profits and the extravagent lifestyles of the filthy rich.

All education will be tuition-free. Every person will have access to unlimited medical and health care without charge. These rights will be realized as rapidly as facilities can be built and the personnel trained.

With capitalism gone, crime will also begin to disappear, for it is the vicious profit system that corrupts people and breeds crime.

To Each According to Their Work
Some ask whether guaranteeing basic necessities, free education, low-cost housing and health care will encourage people to avoid working, or doing their best. The principle of socialism is: From each according to his/her ability, to each according to his/her work.

Socialism provides incentives for working better, producing more and higher quality goods, acquiring advanced skills. It does NOT equalize wages. Wages vary according to occupation and efficiency, although everyone is guaranteed a liveable wage.
Under capitalism, improvements in skill, organization and technology are rightly feared by the worker, since they threaten jobs. Under socialism, they offer the chance to make the job more interesting and rewarding, as well as to improve living standards.

Socialism provides moral incentives because the fruits of labor benefit all. No person robs others of the profits from their labor; when social goals are adopted by the majority, people will want to work for these goals. Work will seem less a burden, more and more a creative activity, where everyone is his/her neighbor's helper instead of rival.

It is true socialism will nationalize or socialize all large-scale production, property and real estate. But socialism does not abolish ALL privately-owned business. It does not require nationalization of those small businesses owned by people who work for themselves and do not hire others to make a profit. Personal property - private homes, automobiles, etc., - will remain just that, personal property.

In highly mechanized U.S. agriculture there will still be a place for the family farmer. But the farm family will be relieved of the pressure of agribusiness monopolies.

There will be rapid abolition of racism and national oppression. Socialism will bring complete equality for all racially and nationally oppressed. There will be no compromise with racism, for there will no longer exist a capitalist class which profits from it. Racism, national oppression, anti-Semitism, sexism, anti-immigrant discrimination and all forms of prejudice and bigotry will be banned by law, with strict measures of enforcement. Affirmative action will be expanded immediately to undo and make up for hundreds of years of the ravages of racism. Full equality will be one of the main priorities of the new society.

War propaganda will be outlawed.

The only privileged sectors will be the children and seniors, who have earned the right to a healthy, happy, secure retirement.

The children will reap all the benefits of socialist child care, free nurseries and schools with the very best facilities and teachers. Children will have wonderful recreational and sports facilities. They will have the option to choose whatever career they wish, and the free education and training to achieve it.

Socialism provides the economic foundation for effective democracy for the masses of people. To carry through the socialist economic and social transformation requires political rule by the working class - a government of, by and for the working people.

Socialism USA
Socialism USA will benefit from the experiences, the mistakes and succesess of the countries who built and are building socialism. But mainly it will reflect the distinctive features of U.S. development and environment.

Unique historical advantages, like the unequalled natural resources, fertile soil and perfect weather, coupled with the contributions of generations of working people, enabled U.S. capitalism to achieve higher productive levels and living standards than capitalism in other countries. So, too, the development of socialism here will have some distinct advantages.

1. We have a highly developed industrial society with a highly trained and educated work force.
2. Free from foreign intervention, socialism will not have to divert human and economic resources to defend itself.
3. Socialism USA will avoid the terrible problems of extreme poverty, illiteracy, civil wars, wars of intervention and world wars.
4. Socialism USA will extend democracy to its fullest, taking as its starting point the democratic traditions and institutions of the American people.

Path to Socialism
We say that it may be possible in the U.S. to bring socialism through peaceful means. Perhaps through the ballot box. One thing is clear, there won't be socialism in the U.S. until the majority of the American people want it.

I like to say that when workers enter the corporate board rooms to take over and the ruling class says: O.K. you're right, we made a mess of things and now you should run it all. Well then there won't be any trouble. But if the ruling class says: Forget it! And call out the army and the police and the national guard, then that is how revolutions become violent. It starts with the ruling class. Workers and their allies have to defend themselves and to fight for what is rightfully theirs.

We believe and advocate that a socialist society in our country will guarantee all the liberties defined in the Bill of Rights but never fully realized. These include the right of people to express themselves fully and freely through organizations of their choice and competing candidates who respect and are guided by the concept of building socialism.

Indeed, the freedoms in the Bill of Rights will take on far greater meaning for the great majority, who will now own the meeting halls, press, radio and TV, and will be able to exercise that freedom effectively.

That's why we call ours Bill of Rights Socialism, USA.

Socialism is our vision for America's future. It is a vision we are winning more and more people to because it is logical - really a great - replacement for capitalism. And because it is the next inevitable step up the ladder of human civilization.

Read it and weep patriots, then let's kick the living bejesus out of them each and every election, as conservatism, the adherents to our Founder's intent, take back our country's hard won liberty, stolen by these bastards for over a century.

cheesemouse
01-26-2005, 10:25 PM
<font color="red"> SPOOK ALERT...SPOOK ALERT </font color>

wolfdancer
01-26-2005, 10:30 PM
Cheese, I'm not even going to look at that post. Has old Sen. Joe been reincarnated?
How many card carrying members in the State Dep't are there now?

highsea
01-27-2005, 12:41 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote cheesemouse:</font><hr> <font color="red"> SPOOK ALERT...SPOOK ALERT </font color> <hr /></blockquote> /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

DavidMorris
01-27-2005, 06:10 AM
An amusing read. Pardon me if I don't rush right down to the local election office and change my party affiliation immediately.

Here's what bugs me most: why do people in this day and age STILL use the terms "communism" and "socialism" interchangeably? They aren't the same thing. Based on the attitude of the person who wrote that piece, I would think they really wouldn't want to call themselves a Communist if they understood what that really means (not that true communism has ever existed, but still...).

Vapros
01-27-2005, 10:59 AM
There has not been any real news from the CPUSA in fifty years. What they are up to today is the same thing they were up to at that time. They had a presidential candidate named Gus Something, who ran in every election for many, many years. Must be dead now, as I think they had somebody else on the ballot this last time. I imagine even Fidel Castro would roll his eyes if he took time to read the stuff they are putting out. Bunch of misfits in old horn-rimmed glasses, housewives with nothing else to do in the mornings, college students who walk funny . . .

Wally_in_Cincy
01-27-2005, 11:07 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Vapros:</font><hr> ... Bunch of misfits in old horn-rimmed glasses, housewives with nothing else to do in the mornings, college students who walk funny . . . <hr /></blockquote>

I saw some representatives of the Comm party on C-Span a few years ago. A handful of very angry black men (think Black Panthers) and a handful of 60's looking white chicks.

I think they have about as much influence now as the Flat Earth Society or the John Birch Society.

SecaucusFats
01-27-2005, 02:02 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Vapros:</font><hr> There has not been any real news from the CPUSA in fifty years. What they are up to today is the same thing they were up to at that time. They had a presidential candidate named Gus Something, who ran in every election for many, many years. Must be dead now, as I think they had somebody else on the ballot this last time.

<font color="blue"> The guy's name was Gus Hall. He lived in the same town that I grew up in (Yonkers, NY). If my memory serves me well, I believe he died in 1999.

The headquarters of the Communist Party-USA are on 23rd Street in NYC; a very short walk away from the Chelsea Hotel.

I used to live in an apartment at the Chelsea back in the early '80's. I had a chance to meet old Gus one time. He got pissed at me for telling him that I thought that Communism was the worst possible thing that ever happened to Cuba. Gus defended even the worst and most indefensible of the Communist excesses and repressions. Old Gus was a real piece of work. </font color>
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SF

glholzer
01-27-2005, 09:44 PM
Sen. Joe was totally vindicated once the Kremlin opened up their secret files after RWR brought that wall down, specifically the Venona transcript decodes. McCarthy's poor behaviour, even his paranoia, has nothing to do with the fact that FDR's admin had been infiltrated, including Alger Hiss, and were ALL proven to be communists. We call them traitors because they still have a mission to make America totally socialist, their bridge to communism as stated by themselves directly. Force has never been precluded, but they really haven't needed it.

The unconstitutional Fed had newly been created. And classical liberal free market economics discarded. These banker and impolitcal elites figured out how to get rich. Roll the presses boys! By the time they figured out they had inflated the dollar way too much, by making scads of new ones, they over-steered in the opposite direction creating the crash and recession.

Every single FDR economic policy has been thoroughly proven by modern economists who studied the data to be the exact disasters that created the Great Depression and perpetuated it til decades end. His court's bastardization of the Equal Protection, General Welfare and Commerce clauses, and the empowerment of unions above the individual, and from the bench versus the legislature, was unconstitutional. They imposed a top tax rate of 90% that JFK reduced to 70%, bracketed the rest. Foisted the hugest Ponzi scam on American wealth in the world history. A personal slush fund that Democrats created to buy their power with over the next 44 out of 48 years up until 1981. Clinton's own SS commision headed by Sen P Moynahan D NY, reported SS was headed for a demographic train wreck. Today's 20 somethings have a negative return to look forward too. There has NEVER been a dime of it invested, it is spent as fast as it comes in and always has been. And when revenues exceed benefits paid out as they always have thus far, but which shortly will not, they spend the surpluses buying allegience in exchange for party dependency. The socialist German empire was their model. We started off at 2% - while each ratchet up since extends even more power to bloated Govt as it bleeds away the individual's economic freedoms once guaranteed him by the Equal Protection clause and property rights.

Democrats don't want to believe and/or admit that their party has ALWAYS been the party targeted, and highly politically influenced by, communist socialists pushing their socialist bridge. The CPUSA supported Jesse and is in bed with today's black caucus members and the Dem left wing - blacks are always highly targeted for their vulnerability with the rest of the minorities and the poor going back to the late 1800's. But since Truman, they've nearly all given themselves more inoccuous names like the WWP. There is an extremely active world wide socialist movement, hundreds of orginizations, plenty of them here.

The very fact that they exist at all, given the consistent advance of freedom, and how Democrats keep pushing for the redistribution of incomes, is testimoney to the creedance Democrats have always given socialist policies, the great party empowerer they deny they have benefited from. They call economic slavery equality.

You either have not studied history or economics beyond public school or you refuse to do so. Claremont.org is a great site to learn the things your teachers/professors decided you didn't need to know, or else they might actually have to teach the unbiased and patriotic rendition of American history, fully revealed and unvarnished, and our mistakes unexagerated or admitted, isn't exactly in their own best interest. We have in America's universitys halls and buildings dedicated or named after socialists &amp; communists. Incredible. All those 60's anti-American radicals became America's history and economics professorship, where today less than 1 out of 10 are conservative.

Our Constitution guaranteed us equality under the law, economic freedom and liberty; but never did, and specifically denied the powers to Govt that FDR, &amp; the Dems ever since, have stolen from us in rank selfishness and in direct conflict to the Founder's intent of a limited Fed'l govt - ALL other powers being left to the states and individual - so we could freely vote with our feet.

The entire document's purpose was to limit the Govt's power and maximize the individual's and the state's, and in insuring the Nation's safety and posterity. The states would have it no other way, hence the Federalist papers to persuade them to ratify it. They simply understood the propensity of politicians to usurp the people's power for their own, always for our own good of course.

To admit their mistake is admit their socialist unconstitutional agenda of over reaching power over the lives of individuals. One of their pitifully condescending excuses is that the leftist elites know best what's good for us better than we do ourselves.

They removed educational competition with Govt schools and the staffs taught the Govt's line - the unions always loyal to their Democrat benefactors. Today's college grads know less American history than 1950's HS grads. There's a very good reason for that. Ever watch those under-educated pathetic excuses for Americans on the street that Jay Leno continually stumps with simplest of questions? They don't deserve the freedoms we have left. Although I'll admit to having been one before years of discovering the side of the story that Govt, media and the Academe' leaves out.

As biased as C-Span is, you'd be amazed what you can learn on booknotes and some of the think tank conferences of both persuasions.

But unless you understand human nature, the way classical liberal Austrian School free market economists did particularly to the way incentive guides mens decisions, and before Marx duped the millions into believing that evil capitalism was just a phase on the way to the superiority of communism, you have no framework with which to realize the truth in any way shape or form and you are de facto another dupe.

Vapros
01-28-2005, 06:33 AM
Time to put a sock in it, pal, and move on. This forum is 'non-pool related', but only within reason if you don't mind. There's a spot for you somewhere, but I doubt this is it. All of us here play pool at some level. Do you?

Wally_in_Cincy
01-28-2005, 07:01 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote glholzer:</font><hr> Sen. Joe was totally vindicated once the Kremlin opened up their secret files...<hr /></blockquote>

as was Whitaker Chambers.

damn I'm going to have to attend Evelyn Woodhead speed-reading course to keep up with your posts /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

do you think anybody actually read all that ? /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

cheesemouse
01-28-2005, 07:09 AM
Wally,

Type G.L.Holzer into Google and it sends you to some mental instututes site. Me thinks one of the clients has taken over his doctors high speed Internet connection... /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

crawdaddio
01-28-2005, 12:34 PM
Agree or disagree, he has as much of a right to post here as you or I do.

Peace
~DC

Fasteddy7
01-29-2005, 11:51 AM
"Production increases much faster than under capitalism, with a planned economy, advancement of science and technology, and the protection and preservation of our environment and natural resources."

I think it causes the country to go stagnant. There is no incentive to try harder. I am not a big fan of this type of thing. I worked in a factory that was unionized. Now unions served their purpose in the past but today i think they are dead. Seems like the union was there only if you didnt come to work or didnt really want to do anything once you got there. And what happens to all the bill gates and donald trumps out there after the conversion?????