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jjinfla
03-11-2005, 06:41 AM
It appears that all of Jeanette's hard work is starting to pay off big time.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/hiestand-biz/2005-03-09-hiestand_x.htm

Jake

SPetty
03-11-2005, 06:59 AM
[ QUOTE ]
She has her own downloadable video game for cell phones, will tour U.S. military bases in Europe this summer and this month gets her own DVD animated feature. That DVD, her agent Tom George says, is meant to lead to spinoff products for the character she plays in it "a globe-trotting pool hustler by day, super CIA operative/martial arts expert by night."<hr /></blockquote>

catscradle
03-11-2005, 07:53 AM
From the linked article...
[ QUOTE ]
Next week in Las Vegas, Lee stages her first fantasy camp. The three-day "Black Widow Experience" costs campers $2,950. But, Lee says, "At many sports fantasy camps, the celebrity just comes in at the beginning and the end. Here, they're all going to get to play a lot with Jeanette Lee.
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What are the people who go there NUTS?? I'm going to a 3-day pool school session from Randy G. at $600.00 and I'll absolutely guarantee I'll get more out of it than could ever be forthcoming from this "fantasy camp".

I think the comparison to "Fats" may have be appropriate. Though she is better relative to the best women players than he was relative to the best males, the idea is the same she's getting more credit than is due.

Barbara
03-11-2005, 09:27 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SPetty:</font><hr> That DVD, her agent Tom George says, is meant to lead to spinoff products for the character she plays in it "a globe-trotting pool hustler by day, super CIA operative/martial arts expert by night."<hr /></blockquote>

Wait a second, shouldn't that be the other way around?

Barbara

Barbara
03-11-2005, 09:32 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote catscradle:</font><hr> From the linked article...
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Next week in Las Vegas, Lee stages her first fantasy camp. The three-day "Black Widow Experience" costs campers $2,950. But, Lee says, "At many sports fantasy camps, the celebrity just comes in at the beginning and the end. Here, they're all going to get to play a lot with Jeanette Lee.
<hr /></blockquote>
What are the people who go there NUTS?? I'm going to a 3-day pool school session from Randy G. at $600.00 and I'll absolutely guarantee I'll get more out of it than could ever be forthcoming from this "fantasy camp".

I think the comparison to "Fats" may have be appropriate. Though she is better relative to the best women players than he was relative to the best males, the idea is the same she's getting more credit than is due.
<hr /></blockquote>

Honest to God!! What the heck is worth $2950 for three days?? Does that include hotel and meals?

Barbara

Rich R.
03-11-2005, 09:51 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Barbara:</font><hr> What the heck is worth $2950 for three days?? Does that include hotel and meals? <hr /></blockquote>
Yes.

Cost: $2,950 which includes:
Some of the highest quality billiards instruction available
Three nights lodging at the beautiful Plaza Hotel and Casino (private rooms for each participant)
Black Widow Experience T-Shirt
Gift Bags and Prizes
Meals
Cocktail Reception (Thursday)
Continental Breakfast (Friday and Saturday)
Afternoon Snack and Beverage (Friday and Saturday)
Dinner (Saturday)
Brunch (Sunday)

http://www.jeanettelee.com/BWE/

Barbara
03-11-2005, 09:57 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Rich R.:</font><hr> Yes.

Cost: $2,950 which includes:
Some of the highest quality billiards instruction available
Three nights lodging at the beautiful Plaza Hotel and Casino (private rooms for each participant)
Black Widow Experience T-Shirt
Gift Bags and Prizes
Meals
Cocktail Reception (Thursday)
Continental Breakfast (Friday and Saturday)
Afternoon Snack and Beverage (Friday and Saturday)
Dinner (Saturday)
Brunch (Sunday)

http://www.jeanettelee.com/BWE/ <hr /></blockquote>

Yeah, but still... /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Barbara

Rich R.
03-11-2005, 10:13 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Barbara:</font><hr>Yeah, but still... /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif <hr /></blockquote>
I only answered your question. I didn't say it was worth it. /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif

I'm busy from March 17 through March 20 anyway. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Popcorn
03-11-2005, 10:30 AM
That's the kind of money Miz used to make doing the same things. You have to market yourself. Miz spent hours everyday on the phone making deals. Most pool players sit on their ass waiting for someone to come and give them a hand out, that's why they don't have anything. More power to her, the players that are jealous should instead take a lesson. As far as the value of the fantasy camp, who cares, that's way they call it a fantasy camp. You and I don't pay $400. for a meal or $2500. a night to stay in a hotel but some people do and so be it.

christopheradams
03-11-2005, 10:31 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Barbara:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Rich R.:</font><hr> Yes.

Cost: $2,950 which includes:
Some of the highest quality billiards instruction available
Three nights lodging at the beautiful Plaza Hotel and Casino (private rooms for each participant)
Black Widow Experience T-Shirt
Gift Bags and Prizes
Meals
Cocktail Reception (Thursday)
Continental Breakfast (Friday and Saturday)
Afternoon Snack and Beverage (Friday and Saturday)
Dinner (Saturday)
Brunch (Sunday)

http://www.jeanettelee.com/BWE/ <hr /></blockquote>

Yeah, but still... /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Barbara <hr /></blockquote>

Sounds a bit underpriced to me. She's a star and to set time out of her practice schedule to do this, it better be worth her time$$$. As for the comment about her getting more than her due. I don't agree with that. She's getting her due because she spent hours upon hours of practicing, shes won tournaments in the past and recently, she can market herself and is unique. Alison Fisher although more marketable than Karen Corr still gets her share of endorsments and had many first place wins to "make a living" as does Karen Corr. So they "get their due" as well.

Barbara
03-11-2005, 10:35 AM
You know Rich, I've had some pretty good instructors in the past - Marty Ciccia (who lost on the hill to Earl in the 2004 US Open), Dawn Hopkins, Joe Tucker, and RandyG's Pool School with Randy, Dave MacNeill, Tewks, Jerry from Jerico Cues, and Dave "The Flash" (I can't rmember his last name now), Fran Crimi, and I've still spent less than what Jeanette's school is asking.

My point is this. When you take instruction from someone, you need to be comfortable with that person from the get-go. You're supposed to be learning, not trying to impress your instructor or even be intimidated by your instructor's status in the pool world. Jeanette probably has a very good curriculum going, but I bet it's not much different than RandyG's school at a fifth of the price. And I'll tell you want, my brain was hurting after Sunday when Randy closed up shop!

Barbara

Barbara
03-11-2005, 10:47 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Popcorn:</font><hr> That's the kind of money Miz used to make doing the same things. You have to market yourself. Miz spent hours everyday on the phone making deals. Most pool players sit on their ass waiting for someone to come and give them a hand out, that's why they don't have anything. More power to her, the players that are jealous should instead take a lesson. As far as the value of the fantasy camp, who cares, that's way they call it a fantasy camp. You and I don't pay $400. for a meal or $2500. a night to stay in a hotel but some people do and so be it. <hr /></blockquote>

You're right, she deserves to charge as much as she wants considering all the time she's spent working on her game and marketing herself. It's just a fantasy camp for big spenders, not real pool players.

Barbara

Wally_in_Cincy
03-11-2005, 10:53 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Barbara:</font><hr> ... It's just a fantasy camp for big spenders, not real pool players.

Barbara <hr /></blockquote>

or maybe a combination of both.

guest instructors include mark wilson and jerry briesath.

wolfdancer
03-11-2005, 10:57 AM
Barbara, Jeanette has created a sports persona for herself, that evidently is considered marketable. Not all athletes have that quality.
I know someone that is going to the "fantasy camp"...and we'll at least have a second-hand report.....or you can use the $$ you made betting on the Super Bowl, and go yourself.

Stretch
03-11-2005, 11:05 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Barbara:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote catscradle:</font><hr> From the linked article...
&lt;/font&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;
Next week in Las Vegas, Lee stages her first fantasy camp. The three-day "Black Widow Experience" costs campers $2,950. But, Lee says, "At many sports fantasy camps, the celebrity just comes in at the beginning and the end. Here, they're all going to get to play a lot with Jeanette Lee.
<hr /></blockquote>
What are the people who go there NUTS?? I'm going to a 3-day pool school session from Randy G. at $600.00 and I'll absolutely guarantee I'll get more out of it than could ever be forthcoming from this "fantasy camp".

I think the comparison to "Fats" may have be appropriate. Though she is better relative to the best women players than he was relative to the best males, the idea is the same she's getting more credit than is due.
<hr /></blockquote>

Honest to God!! What the heck is worth $2950 for three days?? Does that include hotel and meals?

Barbara <hr /></blockquote>

.....ok so i won't gripe anymore about the 6oo bucks for Randy's Pool School lol. What the heck is worth 3000 bucks? How to shoot in high heels? /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif St.~~For three thou. i could have a better "Fantasy Camp" then that /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif~~

Rich R.
03-11-2005, 11:10 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Barbara:</font><hr> I bet it's not much different than RandyG's school at a fifth of the price. <hr /></blockquote>
To date, I have only had one lesson, 2 hours with Scott Lee, a couple of years ago.
However, in June, I will be cashing in my winnings from the CCB tournament and attending Randy's school.
I don't know if my brain can take it. /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

LARRY_BOY
03-11-2005, 12:34 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote catscradle:</font><hr> From the linked article...
&lt;/font&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;
Next week in Las Vegas, Lee stages her first fantasy camp. The three-day "Black Widow Experience" costs campers $2,950. But, Lee says, "At many sports fantasy camps, the celebrity just comes in at the beginning and the end. Here, they're all going to get to play a lot with Jeanette Lee.
<hr /></blockquote>
What are the people who go there NUTS?? I'm going to a 3-day pool school session from Randy G. at $600.00 and I'll absolutely guarantee I'll get more out of it than could ever be forthcoming from this "fantasy camp".

I think the comparison to "Fats" may have be appropriate. Though she is better relative to the best women players than he was relative to the best males, the idea is the same she's getting more credit than is due.
<hr /></blockquote>

Pool instruction $2950
Air fare $400
Time off work $1200
Oppertunity to ogal Jeanette up close and personal PRICELESS!!!!!!
(the real reason people will attend)

wolfdancer
03-11-2005, 01:01 PM
$3000 is a big chunk out of my fantasy budget. I'd rather spend that kind of dough on Fast Larry's "How to Win Friends, and Influence People" workshop, which also includes a writing seminar.

hondo
03-11-2005, 01:03 PM
I did that at DCC plus a lot of other stuff for a lot less.


Oppertunity to ogal Jeanette up close and personal PRICELESS!!!!!!
(the real reason people will attend) <hr /></blockquote>

Barbara
03-11-2005, 01:23 PM
You will absolutely not regret it!! His traveling Pool School is the biggest bang for the buck out there.

I wish Fran would do one with Karen and Julie.

Barbara

jjinfla
03-11-2005, 01:29 PM
Well Barbara, apparently the economy is not as bad as people have led you to believe.

$3,000 to hob nob with a star from the world of pool for three days is what they are paying for. For all we know they may not even be very good pool players. But I am sure they all think the money is sell spent.

And did you notice in the article that she also does executive apearances? And receives $10,000 for them. And she did 20 of them last year and is signed up to do 25 this year.

You have to give her credit. She is a marketable enterprise. When will her line of spider wear come out? And her spider dolls? How about spider wear for the bedroom? The all revealing neglige.

She has achieved what every woman playing in the WPBA is striving for. Fame and fortune.

Jake

wolfdancer
03-11-2005, 01:53 PM
ogaling is a serious crime, while ogling is just considered part of the male rite of passage....serious ogling could lead to "handfasting"

opposedtwin2
03-11-2005, 03:37 PM
It's interesting to read the comments about Jeanette's good fortune. The most prevalent and biggest gripe about pool is there is no money in it. Yet when someone in pool is positioned either by luck or talent who can bring corporate sponsors attention to the game and who is willing to put forth big bucks everyone goes negative. Obviously you will be disappointed if it isn't your player of choice but do you honestly think no one else in pool will ever emerge. For maybe the first time people not even remotely interested in pool will take notice of those who choose pool as a profession instead of the more common belief that pool is a seedy, sleazy hustle and the people are mostly undesirables. (The ones whose stories we all love to read about--but are now broke or forgotten). As far as how much a fantasy clinic costs vs worth? Nothing is ever priced too high if lots of people are willing to pay. The public sets the prices by their willingness to pay or not to pay. No instructor, cue maker, or room owner have prices set to make just an average income. They charge what WE are willing to pay or they aren't true blue AMERICANS which I am and very proud of it! Lets all pull for Jeanette and I know the trickle down affect will sooner rather than later become a great benefit to all professional players.

Popcorn
03-11-2005, 04:07 PM
It could be more then people may imagine. They play celebrity golf tournaments and do you ever see Earl or Archer playing? They don't have a clue what it takes to become main stream, I bet neither even have an agent. I mentioned Miz in my other post. He had a whole corporate package. He did high paying gigs all over the world that had nothing to do with the pool industry. He would be at a convention with a table set up at something like an auto show or liquor convention, they have to think outside of the box. J. Lee has a huge advantage over even Miz in that she has looks personality and can play a sport women are not normally associated with yet she in far more then just a novelty. It would be a good idea for everyone to get on the J. Lee band wagon, she may be the best thing to come along for pool in a long time, maybe ever. All it takes is to get the game a little more main stream. How about the annual Danny Devito straight pool tournament or the Peter Falk 9-ball open, they both love to play. All it takes is an opening and people smart enough to recognize it. Can you believe that wrestling is basically main stream.

wolfdancer
03-12-2005, 01:07 AM
good post!!!!

LARRY_BOY
03-12-2005, 06:56 AM
I don't think that anyone here is trying to bash Jeanette but most are suprised at the level she has attained. She markets heself as any actor/actress, super model, or talk show host does. The only suprise to me is that she started out as a pool player and now is moving on to bigger and better things......it's good to see at least one pool player make good.

Rich R.
03-12-2005, 07:26 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote LARRY_BOY:</font><hr> I don't think that anyone here is trying to bash Jeanette but most are suprised at the level she has attained. She markets heself as any actor/actress, super model, or talk show host does. <hr /></blockquote>
I think Jeanette has achieved her success through a lot of hard work. She seems to pursue the spotlight, and the income that goes with it, a lot more vigorously than other pool players. I think others could be just as successful, if they would put forth the effort.

jjinfla
03-12-2005, 05:12 PM
I think Jeanette has achieved her success through a lot of hard work. She seems to pursue the spotlight, and the income that goes with it, a lot more vigorously than other pool players. I think others could be just as successful, if they would put forth the effort. <hr /></blockquote>

I think others put in a lot of time practicing and promoting themselves but they also have to win some tournaments to really become successful. I know that Sarah Ellerby works hard at it and if she could win a tournament it sure would help her financially.

I wonder how much time the top 20 women put in at the practice table each day. I'll bet there aren't too many that consider pool a job where they go to work each day and put in an eight hour day.

Here's Jeanette's website:

http://www.jeanettelee.com

Jake

Williebetmore
03-14-2005, 11:58 AM
Here is the link from an AZB posting on a "mini-Black Widow Experience" that I attended here in Indy. I found it to be a fabulous experience with 10-12 hours a day of intensive instruction (schmoozing limited to the meals). Only serious students attended - no oglers. Less expensive than the other schools mentioned here.

http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=11056

jjinfla
03-14-2005, 05:06 PM
No oogling? How old are you?

Less expensive than the others? In round numbers that means?

Did you get a video? Where you can go over what you were taught?

How much do you remember after a couple weeks?

I would be afraid of sensory overload. Too much material to learn/absorb in too short a period of time.

Jake

Williebetmore
03-15-2005, 10:55 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote jjinfla:</font><hr> No oogling? How old are you?

Did you get a video? Where you can go over what you were taught?

How much do you remember after a couple weeks?

I would be afraid of sensory overload. Too much material to learn/absorb in too short a period of time.

Jake <hr /></blockquote>

Jake,
How old??? Old enough to know my wife might read this.

Videotape?? They videotaped our strokes at the beginning, but hopefully everyone improved their strokes substantially enough that we all want those tapes destroyed (and perhaps ritually mutilated).

Sensory overload??? Definitely, but that is why I took some of those new-fangled paper and pencil things, wrote down the things I learned, and things I wanted to practice. I have worked with these intstructors before, so perhaps I was not as overwhelmed as some other students. I think formal handouts would be a GREAT idea (I'm not sure whether the real Black Widow Experience students will get handouts or not); but on the other hand, they really did try to tailor the instruction to the level of the student, so each student was working on different variations of each lesson. Did I mention I was NOT ogling.

Rackin_Zack
03-15-2005, 12:01 PM
Willie is very much correct, the mBWE was great! I had already worked with Mark Wilson once, so a lot of it was review for me but I definitely learned a few things! I got reinforcement that the changes I worked on after seeing Mark had actually taken...lol, though I have a tendency to have one practice stroke and go which I need to work on.

Getting to meet and work with Jeanette, George, Helena, Jerry and Mark was a great experience. Also, I have to say that Willie is a great guy and it was a good time playing on his shimmed GCIV. I hope to be able to make it over to indianapolis again to play some straight with him again, hopefully after we're both running hundreds...lol.