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CodyBmore
04-14-2005, 09:21 AM
I've decided on a Joss cue of medium grade. A JOS07. I've been playing with a Lucasi with the original shaft and Ilike it fine. It does not do very well at putting english on the ball. I have to really try to get the ball to draw back, and sometimes it still just stops. Maybe I am doing something wrong, but I'm pretty sure the shaft and a pretty worn down tip has something to do with it. I'm not the most consistant player and I'm working on that. I am, in my opinion just shy of being able to run out the table on 8 ball. I can make shots and I understand english to leave the cue where I need it, but I'm just not there yet, just so yall know what skill level I am.

I'm tryin to decide what shaft to buy. Hopefully within the 3-5 years before I need to buy a new shaft/cue, I'll be alot better. I'm looking at the 314 shaft vs the Meucci Black dot shaft vs the Original Joss shaft. The Meucci videos showing the decreased deflection are very cool, but I'm still wondering if it isn't all propaganda.

Will paying 200 extra dollars for a performance shaft really affect me?

Thanks

Fred Agnir
04-14-2005, 09:38 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote CodyBmore:</font><hr> I am, in my opinion just shy of being able to run out the table on 8 ball. I can make shots and I understand english to leave the cue where I need it, but I'm just not there yet, just so yall know what skill level I am.


Will paying 200 extra dollars for a performance shaft really affect me?

Thanks <hr /></blockquote>No. It won't help you, IMO. You cannot buy the skills you're describing. The tools you have (Lucasi and Joss) are more than capable for getting english and draw to work. If you are not able to draw consistently, then seek some pointers. Don't drop the $200 yet.

Fred

MrLucky
04-14-2005, 09:41 AM
A house cue should and will allow a <font color="red"> properly stroked and hit </font color> cue ball to be drawn down table !
so if you are looking for a magic shaft that somehow will correct your stroke Good Luck ! I would suggest searching some of the threads here that talk about proper English execution! and put your extra shaft money to better usage perhaps if all else fails a good instructor! /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Billy_Bob
04-14-2005, 09:42 AM
The tip of your cue is the business end and therefore the most important part! Look at the following high speed video of a draw shot. Notice how the curve on the tip continues to grip the ball as the tip moves under the ball. If your tip has become flat, this could be part of the problem. I always keep my tip dime shaped. Others always keep their tip a nickel shape. Some people don't keep their tip shaped, then have trouble adjusting when they replace their tip. A consistent tip will make for more consistent play.

If you get a 314 shaft and don't maintain the tip, it will not help much.

Try getting a new tip and always keep it a specific shape (nickel, dime). And always chalk before each shot.

Draw shot...
http://www.engr.colostate.edu/~dga/pool/high_speed_videos/new/HSVA-38.htm

pooltchr
04-14-2005, 09:44 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote MrLucky:</font><hr> A house cue should and will allow a <font color="red"> properly stroked and hit </font color> cue ball to be drawn down table !
so if you are looking for a magic shaft that somehow will correct your stroke Good Luck ! I would suggest searching some of the threads here that talk about proper English execution! and put your extra shaft money to better usage perhaps if all else fails a good instructor! /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Well Said!!!

BigRigTom
04-14-2005, 09:46 AM
I don't think you need to drop that $200 bucks for an extra shaft. It won't get you anything except bragging rights about how much money you spent on the shaft.
If you like the Joss...great...get it and play with the original shaft for a while. You may decide that you don't EVER need to spend that extra $200
Better yet ...look at the Joss that cost $200 more and maybe that would be a better play for the bucks if you really want to spend it.
The skills you are talking about are all in technique and stroke and most good players can accomplish them with a fair to poor bar cue. Those things cost about $5 retail or if you're in a nice place they may even have $10 cues.
Believe me you don't need those special shaft yet unless like I said you just want to brag about how much you paid for the shaft anyway.

bustah360
04-14-2005, 11:14 AM
I agree with the technique of it. You can take a beat up 20yr.old house cue that's warped in 2 places and still draw 9 feet if your stroke is proper. Save the $200 and buy some lessons instead. Lessons teaching you a proper stroke would enable you to play on just about any type of cue regardless of what shaft.

CodyBmore
04-14-2005, 11:45 AM
So I'm gonna just get the Joss. =)

Are there any places online that host good instructional videos? I'm in tuscaloosa, AL. Not a billiard hub by any stretch. I can't find videos or books anywhere.

christopheradams
04-14-2005, 12:45 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote CodyBmore:</font><hr> So I'm gonna just get the Joss. =)

Are there any places online that host good instructional videos? I'm in tuscaloosa, AL. Not a billiard hub by any stretch. I can't find videos or books anywhere. <hr /></blockquote>

tip on shaping your tip /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Get one of those curved things that is similair to a file. Its plastic or metal or similair material. You put a piece of sand paper in the curve and use it to shape your tip. Most tip repair kits have them, not sure exactly what they are called. All I know is that I use one to keep my tip curved to a dime and it works great.

Get some fine sandpaper and cut it to fit inside the tool. Hold the tool at almost vertical to the tip but slanted slightly to the left. Move in a downward motion while turning the cue a few milimeters at a time to get a uniform curvature all the way around the tip. When your done, put a little spit on your finger and wet the sides of the tip. Now take a piece of wood or the side of a piece of chalk and hold it against the side of the tip and apply pressure while spinning the cue against the wood or chalk side. Masters chalk works best /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I do this to my tip and it keeps a perfect dime radius at all times and keeps it in tip top shape

Also get the tip pik. It will keep hols in the cue so it holds chalk and not remove too much tip in the process.

And change your tip whenever it gets too low. In the words of Bob Byrne, "I can play with a broom with a good tip and sweep the joint up afterwards" or something like that.

And since you recieved many comments about not worrying about the shaft and that a shaft won't provide you with a shortcut in your game(which is true), will also add that predator 314 shafts are in my opinion the best out there and well worth the price. I do notice they deflect less and cause the cue ball to not squirt off line as much. I also beleive this allows you to not have to think about deflection as much when playing. You don't have to compensate as much. Plus I just love the feeling of the hit with a 314. My last cue was a players tournament series cue(Dave Pearson) which is similair to a Lucasi or maybe even a lower price range cue. I can really notice the whippiness of the shaft afer having my 314 for a while.

I think it boils down to giving yourself the best possibility for suceeding. Pool is a tough game, so get any edge you can get. Get the best shaft, best chalk(masters), best instruction, best reading material or anything else. Also get the best practice time. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

SPetty
04-14-2005, 06:38 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote CodyBmore:</font><hr> Are there any places online that host good instructional videos? ... I can't find videos or books anywhere. <hr /></blockquote>It shouldn't be hard to come across posts here by Dr. Dave. He has instructional video snippets posted on his web site. I think christopheradams has put together a page of links with videos as well.

Videos and books can easily be had by going to on-line stores such as Hawley's (http://www.hawleys.com) or Mueller's (http://www.poolndarts.com) or Accu-stats (http://www.accu-stats.com) or others.

dooziexx
04-15-2005, 07:06 AM
Hi Cody,
I can help you get JOSS cues at heavily discounted prices. You wont find a better deal anywhere on the net. Email me at dooziexx@yahoo.com or visit my website at www.erikleecues.com. (http://www.erikleecues.com.)

Billy_Bob
04-15-2005, 07:22 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote CodyBmore:</font><hr>Are there any places online that host good instructional videos? I'm in tuscaloosa, AL. Not a billiard hub by any stretch. I can't find videos or books anywhere. <hr /></blockquote>

Any time you travel, look in new and used book stores. Many billiard/pool books are out of print. Ask the salesperson if they have any billiard or pool books. Also look in the sports *and* games sections. Sometimes they are in one, sometimes the other, and some bookstores have them in both sections!

Most billiards/pool books and videos are on the internet. Here are a couple of links...

Videos...
http://poolvideo.com/A-Zcatalog.htm

http://www.accu-stats.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=007&amp;DEPT=000015&amp;BACK=A0001A1

http://www.poolndarts.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/Catalog.Category/categoryID/128.cfm?CFID=8084127&amp;CFTOKEN=28376841

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;safe=off&amp;q=billiards+videos&amp;btnG= Search

Books...
http://www.seyberts.com/instructional/books/index.htm

http://www.accu-stats.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=007&amp;DEPT=000007&amp;BACK=A0001A1

http://www.poolndarts.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/Catalog.Category/categoryID/120.cfm?CFID=8084127&amp;CFTOKEN=28376841

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=billiards+books