View Full Version : Newspaper Article about Pool St. Pete. Fla.
06-07-2002, 08:20 PM
This would be great to read about in any city....
Thanks Tom, this was pretty cool. For those of you who don't get the P that rhymes with T reference, it's from a musical 'The Music Man', I think. I know there's a lurker out there who can correct me, because I don't think I remembered the correct title. By the way, a month ago I wouldn't have gotten it either!
Lorri (culturally stunted)
06-07-2002, 09:23 PM
You got it right.. good musical
Never saw it. Someone played me the song once, which is just too funny....curiosity is starting to get the better of me though...:)
06-07-2002, 09:34 PM
Gee, I wish it was my city. You've heard of one-horse towns. Ours is a one pool room town, and the pool room isn't much to brag about. It's only open at night and at noon on Saturday. /ccboard/images/icons/frown.gif Someday I'm going to have to get another pool table at home. I sold mine the last time I moved, there wasn't room in the new house. I'm moving again before long, and I hope to find a place with a room big enough for a table.
06-07-2002, 10:00 PM
Actually, I've heard quite a few comments about the article and most weren't quite as complimentary as you would think. I found two things that were rather glaring errors, bad enough that the paper should make a retraction.
1) Ray Martin is NOT 3 time world 9 ball champion, he played straight pool and pretty much despises the game of 9 ball.
2) Breaker's does NOT lack ambience unless ambience is defined as a smoky action room. Breakers is a VERY clean, room that caters to families and teens rather than "players". I was in there tonight actually and the room is in great shape. It is a smoking room (they all are down here) but you would never know it walking in. The air is clean and filtered and the wide open area allows the smoke to dissipate prior to the smoke getting into everything. There is NO gambling permitted in breakers, which seems to work well in keeping the riff raff out.
Personally I think they should have worded it differently in the article as I have heard several people who are outraged that it was cast in negative wording.
Granted, any mention of the sport in the paper is good, I just wish the person who wrote the article had done a little research first.
nice to have the authoritative word from a native Floridian! Thanks Jay.
06-07-2002, 11:04 PM
Jay...You might be interested to know that I emailed the journalist who wrote the article...only natural since I am the ONLY Professor of Poolology in the country (Jack White coined that moniker over 40 years ago, and I inherited it when I took over his tour in 1995)! LOL I mentioned the inaccuracies in my email (but did not detail them). If he writes me back and asks, I'll clue him in!
Lorri, sounds good to me. Never figured out how P rhymed with T, but thats trouble, right here in River City! Geez pool had it's problems then, but not now of course! /ccboard/images/icons/smile.gif
06-08-2002, 06:20 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>trouble right here in River City<hr></blockquote>
Maybe one of our pool historians can answer this. Wasn't there an era when nearly every municipality in the country wrote special ordinances regulating the operations of pool halls. Opening a pool hall was worse than opening a porn shop now. Like most stupid laws they remain on the books though not enforced. Years ago there was an article in some pool rag about them. It was very interesting. Some of them are a side-splitting read when looked at from afar.......gotta work now or I would do a google....
This would be great to read about in any city....
Tom In Cincy
Nice article. I wonder how I missed it (beg)... Smorgass Bored
06-08-2002, 08:46 AM
Smorgass Bored, thanks for posting this artilcle on RSB.
You posted it first. I just brought it over to CCB..
06-11-2002, 09:43 AM
Jay...Here is the response I got from the journalist:
I looked at the discussion board you mentioned and
tried to send the following reply to Jay's posting
regarding the poolology article. For some reason, the
message wouldn't go through. You would do me a great
favor if you would forward this response for me. If
that is too much to ask, I'll try to find another way
of replying to him.
Thanks for any assistance.
Reply to Jay: After being clued in by Scott Lee, I
read some of the discussion my story on pool in the
Tampa Bay area generated. I was, frankly, hurt that my
note on Breakers was perceived as negative. As you
probably know, not all of the rooms in the area were
included in that listing, just the ones I judged to be
the best ones. Breakers is one of my personal
favorites - and Sharon is a great person - but there's
something missing from the feel of the place that
keeps it from being an even better place to play. (No,
the missing factor isn't thick smoke or unsavory
My team (out of CM's Place) is in the same league as
two of her teams and I play there a couple of times a
month. (I visited and played at each of the places
listed, along with some that didn't make the list). To
anyone who read my words as casting aspersions, I say
here unequivocally: Breakers - and each of the other
places listed in the newspaper - is a great place to
As for Ray Martin, who sometimes plays on teams at
CMs, I'll check and if a correction is called for,
I'll print one.
It's gratifying to know the article received such
St. Petersburg Times
06-11-2002, 09:56 AM
You probably know me, I'm the Jay that plays all the time at CM's, usually on the front table. You were on a league together with my brother (Lee Johnson).
I appreciate the attempt to put pool forward in a positive light. I certainly don't want to do anything to hurt the sport's popularity or anything that will move the sport in a forward direction. Your article certainly did that. I would suggest chatting with Sharon, she is the one who voiced concerns about what was said regarding her room.
I haven't heard anything from Ray, the correction there was my own. Here's his hall of fame blurb:
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: http://www.bca-pool.com/industry/hof/ind92-96.shtml:</font><hr>RAY MARTIN: Born in 1936, his world titles in straight pool in 1971, 1974 and 1978 make Ray Martin one of only seven players in this century to win three or more world 14.1 titles. He has many nine-ball tournament wins to his credit as well, including the 1980 Caesars Tahoe Invitational, the 1981 ESPN King of the Hill, and the 1983 Music City Open. While concentrating today more on teaching than playing, Martin is still a threat in straight pool tournaments, finishing fourth and fifth in the 1992 and 1993 BCA U.S. Opens. In collaboration with Rosser Reeves, Martin wrote "The 99 Critical Shots in Pool" (1977).
Anyhow, if you want to contact me directly, my email address is email@example.com or you can catch me just about any evening at CM's place. If I'm not there, they have my number.
Thank you for writing the article, I didn't mean to sound negative about it, I was just attempting to correct a couple of mistakes.
06-11-2002, 10:26 AM
Jay...I don't know if Elijah is monitoring this or not, but his email address is: firstname.lastname@example.org
You may want to email your response to him.
06-11-2002, 11:10 AM
Thank you, I copied my post and emailed it to him directly.
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