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thepoolnerd
05-12-2005, 03:42 PM
Opponents of the smoking ban in Ohio are now uniting to ban giving money to charities such as The Heart Foundation and the American Cancer Society because of their support for the ban that was voted in (twice) by the people of this state. Nice work.

Popcorn
05-12-2005, 04:10 PM
Thats their right, but I seriously doubt they give anything anyway.

tateuts
05-12-2005, 04:22 PM
They can't even quit smoking. How are they going to band together to do anything?

bustah360
05-12-2005, 04:26 PM
hey hey hey...ease up there buddy, jeez

Keith Talent
05-12-2005, 05:48 PM
wow, so it causes brain damage, too!

Cane
05-12-2005, 06:22 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote thepoolnerd:</font><hr> Opponents of the smoking ban in Ohio are now uniting to ban giving money to charities such as The Heart Foundation and the American Cancer Society because of their support for the ban that was voted in (twice) by the people of this state. Nice work. <hr /></blockquote>

Personally, I'm a smoker, but I think this is ridiculous! Friggin' morons... Hopefully, this is an isolated group and not the beginning of proof that nicotine destroys common sense.

Later,
Bob

Rich R.
05-12-2005, 07:49 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote thepoolnerd:</font><hr> Opponents of the smoking ban in Ohio are now uniting to ban giving money to charities such as The Heart Foundation and the American Cancer Society because of their support for the ban that was voted in (twice) by the people of this state. Nice work. <hr /></blockquote>
So let me get this straight.
They are going to stop donating to the organizations that provide services that most of them will need, sooner or later.
That is real bright. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

GeraldG
05-12-2005, 07:56 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Keith Talent:</font><hr> wow, so it causes brain damage, too! <hr /></blockquote>

I smoked for years and I'm not dain bramaged.

sack316
05-13-2005, 05:52 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Keith Talent:</font><hr> wow, so it causes brain damage, too! <hr /></blockquote>

hey, I'm a smoker, and in my defense... umm, what were we talking about? /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Vagabond
05-13-2005, 06:02 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote thepoolnerd:</font><hr> Opponents of the smoking ban in Ohio are now uniting to ban giving money to charities such as The Heart Foundation and the American Cancer Society because of their support for the ban that was voted in (twice) by the people of this state. Nice work.
<hr /></blockquote>

I anticipated that this kind of division in the society will come soon especially because of singling out smokers with the assumption that the health care costs went up because of smokers as though other habits do not cause any expenses to the GOVT/Insurance companies.
Our society is destined to go down with our irrationality.I am not saying Smoking does not harm the people.But singling out is the problem with our reasoning/thinking.Just ban it but don`t say that the raising health care costs are because of smokers.
BTW I Quit smoking in 1999.Cheers
Vagabond /ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Cane
05-13-2005, 06:17 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Vagabond:</font><hr> I anticipated that this kind of division in the society will come soon especially because of singling out smokers &lt;snip&gt; I am not saying Smoking does not harm the people.But singling out is the problem with our reasoning/thinking. BTW I Quit smoking in 1999. <hr /></blockquote>

Vagabond, You're right. As a smoker, I can respect someones desire to not be around smoke, but the smoking public and the tobacco industry have been hit with some undue "penalties", like a tax, at least in our state, that's MORE than the purchase price of the product... comes to about 104% here.

We don't see that happening in other industry. How many deaths per year are attributed to alcohol use? Considering alcohol related disease, automobile accidents, crime, etc., yet you don't see the gov't or PACs trying to restrict alcohol producers from advertising on TV, nor do you see them pushing for so outrageous a tax on alcohol that the end user can't afford the product.

BTW, I love a good Guiness now and again... and if I'm not driving I love a dozen bottles or so! So, I'm not nagging about alcohol use, rather agreeing that smokers have been singled out by PACs, who put pressure on the government to do the things they've done. Still, I think the group that's lobbying to stop funneling of money to those charities might have a screw loose!

Congrats on quitting! Hard to do. Maybe someday, I'll follow suit.

Later,
Bob

PS: Shouldn't these smoking threads be on the Non-Pool Related Forum?

bustah360
05-13-2005, 06:32 AM
CANE...Thanks for pointing that out. I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing this, with the singling out amongst others.

tateuts
05-13-2005, 07:15 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote bustah360:</font><hr> hey hey hey...ease up there buddy, jeez <hr /></blockquote>

Sorry.

Nightstalker
05-13-2005, 08:48 AM
A man sitting next to me and having a drink is not going to make me drunk or develop liver problems. Drinking and driving is another issue.

Rackin_Zack
05-13-2005, 09:07 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Nightstalker:</font><hr> A man sitting next to me and having a drink is not going to make me drunk or develop liver problems. Drinking and driving is another issue. <hr /></blockquote>

On the other hand, he may hit you and kill you with his car later on that evening...lol.

Nightstalker
05-13-2005, 09:18 AM
Zack, that is why I said drinking and driving is another issue. Just plain drinking around others cannot compare exactly with smoking around others. It is apples and oranges.

Rackin_Zack
05-13-2005, 09:40 AM
I know, I was just playing devil's advocate. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

In fact, if someone is courteous with their vice then it doesn't affect others. For example, if drinkers don't drive or try to get in fights it's fine, if smokers would go outside or at least to a designated area it's fine, if crack addicts would recycle cans or something to get money for the rock it's not a problem, etc...lol.

Nightstalker
05-13-2005, 10:49 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Rackin_Zack:</font><hr> I know, I was just playing devil's advocate. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

In fact, if someone is courteous with their vice then it doesn't affect others. For example, if drinkers don't drive or try to get in fights it's fine, if smokers would go outside or at least to a designated area it's fine, if crack addicts would recycle cans or something to get money for the rock it's not a problem, etc...lol. <hr /></blockquote>

Exactly right, and it is a general fact that when smokers are allowed to smoke indoors they will not go outside and be courteous to others. /ccboard/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Necessity is the mother of invention.

eg8r
05-13-2005, 12:25 PM
[ QUOTE ]
So let me get this straight.
They are going to stop donating to the organizations that provide services that most of them will need, sooner or later.
That is real bright. <hr /></blockquote> You are referring to people who choose to smoke in the first place. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

GarnetDawn
05-22-2005, 05:22 PM
I think a few posters on this forum should know the total number and identities of the states and groups supporting the boycott against the ACS, ALA and AHA.

These groups are making a united effort to stop the encroachment of smoking bans and the endless taxpayer moneys being wasted by these politically active charities. They are not suggesting that individuals, restaurants and bars stop contributing to CONSTRUCTIVE cancer, heart and lung charities that do not spend contributions for political lobbying, rather than the research to help prevent these diseases.

Smoker are already paying their way for health care. They are the ones who are really paying for the $206 billion MSA of 1998, through an $.82 per pack increase by big tobacco which shortly followed the agreement and also through astronomically increased Federal, State and City "user" taxes.

Put this in your pipe and smoke it! Here is the current list of organizations that have agreed to support the boycott:

PARTICIPANTS
*added after release
National: Smokers Club, Inc.
http://www.smokersclub.com/
*National: smokinglobby.com
http://www.smokinglobby.com
*National: FORCES
http://www.forces.org
*Florida: Florida Rights
http://floridarights.tripod.com/
*Florida: Florida Smokers
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/floridasmokers
Illinois: Illinois Smokers' Rights
http://www.illinoissmokersrights.com/
Indiana: Indiana Amusement &amp; Music Operators Association http://www.IAMOA.org
Kentucky: Kentucky Licensed Beverage Association http://www.fightthesmokingban.com/
Kentucky: Metro Louisville Hospitality Coalition
http://www.fightthesmokingban.com/
Massachusetts: Cambridge Citizens For Smokers' Rights
http://www.ccsr.org/news
Minnesota: Smoke Out Gary (Minneapolis)
http://www.smokeoutgary.org
Minnesota: Minnesotans Against Smoking Bans http://www.minnesotansagainstsmokingbans.com/
Minnesota: Fight City Hall
http://www.fightcityhall.net/
New York: NYC Citizens Lobbying Against Smoker Harassment http://www.nycclash.com
New York: Taverners United for Fairness
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TUFFNYC
New York: American Arborist
New York: Madison County Chapter of the Independence Party
*New York: Manhattan Libertarian Party
http://www.manhattanlp.org
Ohio: Lakewood Hospitality Association
*Rhode Island: Rhode Island Rights
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rhodeislandrights/
Pennsylvania: Pennsylvania Smokers Action Network
http://cantiloper.tripod.com/
Tennessee: Yes S.I.R.
http://www.yessir-tn.info

National: Private citizens

*Canada: FORCES Canada
http://www.forces.org/canada/can-news.htm

______________________________
Garnet Dawn - The Smoker's Club, Inc. - Midwest Regional Director
The United Pro Choice Smokers Rights Newsletter - http://www.smokersclubinc.com
Illinois Smokers Rights - http://www.illinoissmokersrights.com/
mailto:garnetdawn@comcast.net - Respect Freedom of Choice!

PQQLK9
05-22-2005, 07:17 PM
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Rackin_Zack
05-22-2005, 09:46 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote PQQLK9:</font><hr> http://www.i12bbq2.ubbi.com.br/shooter.jpg <hr /></blockquote>

That is hilarious! Thanks, that made my evening.

Regulator
05-22-2005, 10:23 PM
I believe we should continue to force smokers outside AND make filters and "light" brands illegal. In fact, cigarettes should be required to be 5 times as strong as Lucky Strikes.

That way, in just a few years, we won't have many smokers protesting. They'll either be dead or dying.

Obviously, I'm just joking. Though, when my drug addicted friends come over, I always make them go outside to use their vice - cigarettes, pot, cocaine, whatever. . . . I admit to being soft on alcohol.

ted harris
05-23-2005, 06:46 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote GarnetDawn:</font><hr>&lt;snip&gt;
Garnet Dawn - The Smoker's Club, Inc. - Midwest Regional Director
&lt;snip&gt;
Respect Freedom of Choice!<hr /></blockquote>
We do support freedom of choice...
We choose not to be exposed to your smoke by legislating it and/or voting for representatives that will change the laws in the majority's favor.
You are on the losing sioe, get used to it.
How do you like being a slave to the tobacco companies?

GarnetDawn
05-24-2005, 10:31 AM
We'll see. Too bad you don't have any respect for your own Constitution and Bill of Rights.

I'm not wasting any more time on this Anti forum. You can all continue to stroke each others egos. None of you take the trouble to be informed, but don't accuse Ohio of being alone on this boycott.

______________________________
Garnet Dawn - The Smoker's Club, Inc. - Midwest Regional Director
The United Pro Choice Smokers Rights Newsletter - http://www.smokersclubinc.com
Illinois Smokers Rights - http://www.illinoissmokersrights.com/
mailto:garnetdawn@comcast.net - Respect Freedom of Choice!

ted harris
05-24-2005, 11:58 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote GarnetDawn:</font><hr> We'll see. Too bad you don't have any respect for your own Constitution and Bill of Rights.

I'm not wasting any more time on this Anti forum. You can all continue to stroke each others egos. None of you take the trouble to be informed, but don't accuse Ohio of being alone on this boycott.
&lt;snip&gt;<hr /></blockquote>
Perhaps you could take a dose of your own medicine...and excercise your freedom of choice by choosing to go somewhere else where you will not be exposed to thinking proactive non-smokers. /ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif
What wisdom are you trying to inform us of that you think we have not learned? That there are many more slaves &amp; pawns of big tobacco than we ever imagined?...as if 25% or so of a population of 280 million, which represents about 70 million smokers is not enough. Are you trying to tell us that there are more?
My father always told me that when you are driving in the fast lane, and there is someone going slow, don't try to smarten them up...you know what I mean...when you realize someone is a dummy, just go around them and be on your way.
But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and leave you with these links for you to get informed!

Tobacco Scam website from University of California at San Francisco. (http://www.tobaccoscam.com)
/ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif Gets my vote as #1 website on the net for the smoking issue!

http://www.oehha.org/air/environmental_tobacco/index.html

http://www5.who.int/tobacco/page.cfm?tld=67#healtheffects

http://www.health.gov.au/nhmrc/publications/synopses/ph23syn.htm

http://www.official-documents.co.uk/document/doh/tobacco/contents.htm

http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/roc/tenth/profiles/s176toba.pdf

http://www.euro.who.int/document/aiq/8_1ets.pdf

http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/may2000/niehs-15.htm

Here is 464 pages of evidence regarding your infamous National Cancer
Institute report;
http://cancercontrol.cancer.gov/tcrb/monographs/10/m10_complete.pdf

Here is a link to a press release by the WHO stating that Phillip
Morris &amp; other tobacco companies monitored &amp; actively interfered with
the conduct of an international ETS epidemiological study by the WHO;
http://www.uicc.org/publ/pr/home/00040701.shtml

and another by the WHO that states that almost HALF the worlds
children are endangered by tobacco smoke;
http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/1999/06/F.RU.990629125134.html

Here is a link to a Washington Post article about the 1998 ruling
upholding Judge Osteen's EPA ruling;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/tobacco/stories/secondhand072098.htm

Take note of this quote from the article;
"Of the reports that were inconclusive or found no health effects,
nearly three-quarters were written by scientists funded by cigarette
companies, the JAMA article said. In fact, it said, the evidence
"suggests that the tobacco industry may be attempting to influence
scientific opinion by flooding the scientific literature with large
numbers of review articles supporting its position."

If you would like to stay up to date with the WHO, so as not to look
like a complete idiot, here is the link for it;
http://www.who.int/tobacco/en/

Here is the current status of ETS is at the WHO;
http://www.who.int/tobacco/health_impact/secondhand_smoke/en/

Take note of this quote from within this WHO page;
"While the tobacco industry continues to claim that the evidence that
passive smoking causes disease particularly lung cancer is
controversial, every independent authoritative scientific body that
has examined the evidence has concluded that passive smoking causes
many diseases ( Table 1 ). Moreover, the evidence that passive
smoking causes disease is not new. The first studies linking passive
smoking with breathing problems in children and lung cancer in adults
20 years or more ago and the studies linking passive smoking and heart
disease are over 10 years old.
The tobacco industry attacks the evidence that passive smoking is
dangerous because it knows that smokers are reluctant to poison
others. Smoke free workplaces, public places, and homes help smokers
cut down or stop, which reduces tobacco company sales and profits."

Oh, and let's don't forget the eleven million plus documents at Tobacco Documents Online (http://tobaccodocuments.org) that were entered into evidence in the states class action suit against the tobacco companies. These documents were all from the manufacturers themselves.

During my research, I have discovered that the
ETS issue is far worse than even I could have imagined. You have
truly inspired me to try and educate people and speak out against
smoking every chance I get.