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AmazingBrewdini
06-22-2005, 09:46 PM
American Liberals: Enemies Within the Gates - (marxists posing as "progressives;" a MUST READ!)
CHRONWATCH.COM ^ | JUNE 23, 2005 | LINDA KIMBALL

Like a frenzied pack of howling curs, America’s malignant Left ravenously feasted upon the Abu Ghraib scandal when it broke. The opportunity it provided for them to engage in a wholesale orgy of America bashing was an allure they could not resist. In short order, horrified gasps of moral outrage were heard from leftist mainstream media as their headlines blared, “House of Horrors…sadism at Abu Ghraib prison!” (U.S. News and World Report) and “sexual depravity, sadism and violence orchestrated by US soldiers” (Chicago Tribune). Soon, pictures of Iraqi prisoners were being gleefully brandished as evidence that American soldiers were, indeed, sexual sadists…not baby killers this time, but sexual sadists. By the time their virulent hate-fest finally subsided, they had managed to maliciously smear and hold up to shame America, our president, and our military while simultaneously causing as much trouble for our troops as possible by stirring up Islamic jihadists.

Not content with the initial damage, they are readying themselves to embark on Abu Ghraib Hate-Fest II. The ACLU has demanded the release of more ‘torture’ pictures, and a compliant federal judge has just granted them their desire.

According to the treacherous Left and their lapdog, the ACLU, their request for more pictures is grounded in concern for the civil liberties and well-being of the prisoners. If the Left possessed even a sliver of integrity perhaps we could accept their stated concerns at face value. The truth, however, is that they are contemptible liars who have been passing themselves off as liberals, progressives, and Democrats since the 1960’s. In reality they are a motley collection of Marxist, Stalinist, and Trotskyite communists who have been waging a stealthy Marxist-style revolution in America for the last thirty-five years. That they chose to be communists despite the fact that past socialist schemes have failed horrendously, leading to the genocide of more than one-hundred million people, gives the lie to their phony claims of concern. Any concerns they have are for themselves and for the success of their glorious revolution.

Sounding just as hollow are their claims of moral outrage over the sexual sadism at Abu Ghraib—for the Left is the champion of sadomasochism and depravity in America. They are responsible for ‘finding’ a Constitutional right to obscenity and for the making and distribution of pornography. They created an entire class of constituents out of thin air by decreeing that the type of sexual activity a person engages in…no matter how depraved… gives them class distinction and special rights. This has led to the open celebration of sadomasochism at ‘leather boy’ fests, ‘fisting’ events, and ‘pup and trainer’ shows throughout America, including America’s capitol.

If the Left was so outraged by sadomasochism and depravity at Abu Ghraib, then why are they teaching it to America’s youth? Why did GLSEN distribute an obscenely pornographic booklet called “The Little Black Book…Queer in the 21st Century” to Brookline, Massachusetts middle and high school students this past April? This booklet is beyond obscene. It opens with, “Hey Queer Boys…is this a great time to be gay or what?” Following this are extremely vile descriptions of various oral and anal sex acts. Then there was this, “Watersports_or pee play?”—which was said to have “little risk of STD infection and no risk of HIV.” Towards the back of the booklet is a list of Boston area gay bars for the “discerning queer boy.”

Apparently sadomasochism and depravity are only morally wrong with regards to America’s enemies but not so with regards to American culture and our youth?

The New Left radicals of the 1960’s were authoritarian ideologues who not only sneered at the World War II generation’s morality, but disdained America’s system of government and way of life. They were a dictatorial neo-fascist movement that shouted down opponents, seized office buildings and campuses, spit on our troops and called them baby killers, posed for pictures with the Viet Cong, and conspired with revolutionary Marxists. They committed sedition and acts of treason and got away with it. Furthermore, their acts of betrayal caused untold numbers of American military casualties as well as the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese when our military had to pull out of Viet Nam.

Today, these same communist revolutionaries and their created clones are posing as Congressmen, teachers, professors, judges and the like and are dumbing down and depraving our youth, subverting our Rule of Law, trashing our Constitution, and turning our culture into a cesspool. They are brazenly obstructing the appointment of Constitutionalist judges, enacting communistic hate crime laws against Americans, and using a fully compliant mainstream media to broadcast treasonous statements to our enemies. And just as with the Viet Nam war, Americans are left wondering how many of our troops will die as a result?

The socialist revolution they were unable to pull off back in the 1960’s is being fiercely waged in America today. Marxist revolutionaries are determined to destroy America as we have always known her and to build a communist hell-hole instead. They may look and sound like average Americans and some of them may even be your neighbors…but they are not our friends. They are America’s treacherous enemy within the gates.

About the Writer: Linda Kimball is a writer and author of numerous articles and essays on culture, politics, and world view. Linda receives e-mail at LindyKimball@msn.com.

AmazingBrewdini
06-22-2005, 10:09 PM
Teary Durbin: I'm sorry
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | June 22, 2005 | LYNN SWEET AND MARK J. KONKOL Staff Reporters

WASHINGTON -- In an emotional statement, Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) Tuesday apologized for comparing the U.S. treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo to Nazis, Soviets and Pol Pot. He had come under attack from Republicans, and, on Tuesday, from Mayor Daley.

"Some may believe that my remarks crossed the line. To them, I extend my heartfelt apologies,'' said Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate.

Durbin appeared to be holding back tears and choking on some words when he came to the Senate floor near 4 p.m. Chicago time to say he was sorry.

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who on Sunday called for Durbin to apologize and be "required to read Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago," applauded Durbin for making "a heartfelt statement, one of apology."

Durbin "did the right thing, the courageous thing and I believe we can put this issue behind us,'' said McCain, a former prisoner of war.

Previous statement didn't do it

Durbin delivered his apology after it became clear to him during the day that a statement of regret he issued on Friday -- saying his historical analogy was misunderstood -- did nothing to quell the firestorm he touched off.

Durbin provoked the biggest crisis in his Senate career on June 14 when, citing a declassified, one-page FBI memo, he said treatment of detainees at the U.S. military prison in Cuba was comparable to "Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings."

Though the Bush administration has been criticized for conditions at Guantanamo, no inmates have died. At first, Durbin refused to apologize for comparing the United States to genocidal regimes.

Tuesday, a chastened and emotional Durbin took to the Senate floor. "It is very clear that even though I thought I had said something that clarified the situation, to many people it was still unclear,'' Durbin said.

"I'm sorry if anything that I said caused any offense or pain to those who have such bitter memories of the Holocaust, the greatest moral tragedy of our time. Nothing, nothing should ever be said to demean or diminish that moral tragedy.

"I'm also sorry if anything I said in any way cast a negative light on our fine men and women in the military."

Daley joined in criticism

Most of Durbin's critics have been Republicans from the White House on down, fueled by conservative blogs, talk radio and cable shows. The latest came Tuesday from House Minority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas).

Before the apology DeLay said Durbin's remarks were "a pre-meditated and monstrous attack against America's military."

White House spokesman Allen Abney, asked to comment, said Durbin's apology "was the right thing to do.''

Daley on Tuesday became the most prominent Democrat to denounce Durbin, and Durbin had that to factor in when he reversed his decision not to apologize.

Asked in Chicago whether Durbin should apologize, Daley, whose son recently enlisted in the Army -- and whose relationship with Durbin is more business than personal -- said, "I think it's a disgrace to say that any man or woman in the military acts like [Nazis] or that a report is like that,'' Daley said.

"You go and talk to some victims of the Holocaust and they will tell you horror stories, and there are not horror stories like that in Guantanamo Bay," Daley said.

Durbin's fellow Democratic senators praised him from the floor for his apology and thanked McCain for trying to help Durbin get the controversy behind him.

"It takes a big person to stand up and apologize on the floor of the Senate,'' said Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.), the first Jewish American to be on a presidential ticket. "He's done it and I just appeal to everyone now to move on, let this be the end of this.''

Obama praises courage

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) said Durbin "has established himself as one of the people in this chamber who cares deeply about our veterans and about our troops.

"I am grateful that he had the courage to stand up and acknowledge that he should have said what he said somewhat differently.''

Durbin was also under pressure from the Anti-Defamation League, dedicated to fighting anti-Semitism, to apologize because his analogy diminished the enormity of the Holocaust.

ADL national director Abe Foxman told the Sun-Times Tuesday, before Durbin said he was sorry, that the senators' Friday statement was not sufficient.

"He is a good person. He is a caring person,'' Foxman said. "Why can't he say 'I made the wrong analogy' and move on?''

Durbin said he would be heard from in the future.

"I offer my apology for those offended by my words. I promise to speak out on the issues that I think are important to the people of Illinois and to the nation.''

Mark J. Konkol reported from Chicago.

<font color="red">POS MF'er comes out with an "apology" that says he's sorry that we're unclear on what he said. Someone should have told this s.o.b. right then and there that we understood exactly what he said, it's not unclear, and that simply being sorry that people are offended by what you say is a far cry from being sorry for what you say.

Trent Lott made off the cuff, informal comments to a sick man at his 100th birthday. A man to whom the people of four states awarded their electoral votes in 1948. And for this he lost the #1 position in the Republican leadership. For his hateful, formal, prepared and well-thought out comments (meaning he knew what he was saying and believed in what he was saying), Durbin deserves no less than the fate of Trent Lott.

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wolfdancer
06-22-2005, 10:43 PM
It's too bad secaucus fats got banned....he wudda loved this stuff

Qtec
06-23-2005, 04:07 AM
Another viewpoint. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif


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The Comparison That Ends the Conversation
Senator Is Latest to Regret Nazi Analogy

By Mark Leibovich
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, June 22, 2005; C01



Someone should post a sign in the Senate cloakroom or wherever Important People Who Should Know Better will see it. The sign would warn politicians against comparing anything to the Nazis or Hitler or the Holocaust. These comparisons are not a good idea. Repeat : Not a good idea. It will only bring a massive headache, as Sen. Richard Durbin has learned (he'll take that Tylenol IV drip now, thanks).

Durbin, the Democratic whip, became the latest politician who couldn't make his point without comparing the matter at hand -- the alleged mistreatment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba -- with the methods of the Nazis (and those of Pol Pot and the Soviet gulags, too).

It prompted yet another episode in what has become a familiar Kabuki in American political discourse: Someone invokes the behavior of Nazis in some non-genocidal context. This is followed by an outcry (in which members of the opposing party are "saddened"), condemnation from the Anti-Defamation League, futile attempts by the speaker to "clarify" his remarks, repeated calls for him to apologize and, inevitably, some acknowledgment of regret, often tearful.

Durbin's saga began June 14 on the Senate floor when he read from an FBI memo that described the ordeal of a prisoner at Guantanamo who was allegedly chained to the floor, forced to listen to loud rap music and subjected to extreme heat and bitter cold, among other unpleasantness. Durbin said: "If I read this to you and did not tell you it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings."

Republican Sens. Mitch McConnell and John Warner condemned Durbin on the floor two days later. They were followed by about two dozen Republican senators (in news releases), Majority Leader Bill Frist (who called on Durbin to apologize on the Senate floor), Vice President Cheney, White House press secretary Scott McClellan and a host of veterans groups and conservative commentators.

After issuing a statement of "regret" on Friday, the Illinois Democrat came to the Senate floor yesterday to apologize in person. "Some may believe that my remarks crossed the line," Durbin said. "To them I extend my heartfelt apologies." Durbin also apologized to any soldiers who took offense at his remarks. "They're the best. I never, ever intended any disrespect for them," he said.

Taken in context, Durbin's premise -- that the techniques characterized in the FBI memo are consistent with those deployed by "mad regimes" -- is worth debating. But of course, such invocations are never debated in their precise context. "They will always be misconstrued and turned around, and that's why you should never compare anything to Nazis or Hitler," says Democratic strategist Paul Begala. "It's as basic a rule as there is in politics."

The rule is flouted all the time -- most recently by Sens. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) and Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.), who couldn't talk about judicial filibusters and resist equating the tactics of the opposing party to that of Hitler (whose views on the filibuster are not known).

Santorum was responding to the Senate Democrats' charge that Republicans were breaking the rules by opposing filibusters: "The audacity of some members to stand up and say, 'How dare you break this rule?' -- it's the equivalent of Adolf Hitler in 1942 saying, 'I'm in Paris. How dare you invade me? How dare you bomb my city? It's mine.' "

Byrd, defending his party's right to oppose Bush's judicial nominees, said, "Many times in our history we have taken up arms to protect a minority against the tyrannical majority in other lands. We, unlike Nazi Germany or Mussolini's Italy, have never stopped being a nation of laws, not of men."

Abraham Foxman, the Anti-Defamation League's national director and a reliable voice of condemnation whenever someone drops the N-bomb, says, as a general rule, politicians should know better. "It's kind of sad, because these are smart people who say these things," he says.

Foxman, a Holocaust survivor, says that the Nazi analogy is appropriate when someone is talking about an alleged mass murderer -- say, Saddam Hussein, whom supporters of both Iraq wars compared repeatedly to Hitler. "It doesn't have to be taboo in all cases," Foxman says.

Only most cases. Jim Manley, spokesman for Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid yesterday provided a compilation that included, among other things, a statement from Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) last year in which he said the Kyoto Protocol "would deal a powerful blow on the whole [of] humanity similar to the one humanity experienced when Nazism and Communism flourished." Reid's office also charged that Inhofe and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) had compared the Environmental Protection Agency to the Gestapo, that Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) had "linked stem cell research to Nazism" and that former Republican senator Phil Gramm "compared a Democratic tax plan to Nazi law."

All of this is consistent with the escalation of political rhetoric in general, says Deborah Tannen, a professor of linguistics at Georgetown and an expert on political discourse. She mentions the Senate debate over filibusters, in which the "nuclear option" loomed. And conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh, who rails against "feminazis." "It's all part of the same verbal inflation," Tannen says, adding that feminists generally refrain from torturing people.

There is a dictum in Internet culture called Godwin's Law (after Mike Godwin, a lawyer who coined the maxim), which posits that the longer an online discussion persists, the more likely it is that someone will compare something to the Nazis or Hitler.

According to the online encyclopedia Wikipedia, "There is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress."

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Gayle in MD
06-23-2005, 05:38 AM
You should hook up with Bill O'Reiley.

So, the party which is concerned about whether prisoners are being tortured, is the party that is communistic? Nice spin, but thinking people know the difference.

As for apologies, I'm sure we'll never get any from Tom Delay, who not only cooks the books for money, but leads people in prayer, while he makes money off women who are being treated like dogs in sweat shops, and held prisoner under lock down, and forced to have abortions. And YOU compare the left to communists?

I notice you make no mention of Senator McCain's revelation on sunday, when asked if he agreed with Dick Cheney's assertion that the insurgents were in their last throes. McCain's answer, "Uh, NOOOO"

IMO, Democrats need to take a much stronger stand against the party of dictatorship, and their radical constitution burning right. Even republicans are getting sick and tired of the hypocracy and lies of this administration.

People in this country are starting to see through Bush, and his pack of dictators, and every poll shows it, thank goddness.

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
06-23-2005, 05:42 AM
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Taken in context, Durbin's premise -- that the techniques characterized in the FBI memo are consistent with those deployed by "mad regimes" -- is worth debating. But of course, such invocations are never debated in their precise context. "They will always be misconstrued and turned around, and that's why you should never compare anything to Nazis or Hitler," says Democratic strategist Paul Begala. "It's as basic a rule as there is in politics."
<hr /></blockquote> I agree, more often than not, when someone is characterized as hitler or nazism, they really don't care what the context is, they don't believe anything they are doing could be as bad as what hitler did.

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All of this is consistent with the escalation of political rhetoric in general, says Deborah Tannen, a professor of linguistics at Georgetown and an expert on political discourse. She mentions the Senate debate over filibusters, in which the "nuclear option" loomed. And conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh, who rails against "feminazis." "It's all part of the same verbal inflation," Tannen says, adding that feminists generally refrain from torturing people.
<hr /></blockquote> This is a good example of the quote before it, Limbaugh knows the feminists are not torturing anyone. It is also the same as referring to the king-of-philanderer's wife, "hitlary". /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif While her toture on the American healthcare system will not kill anyone directly it might still be torture trying to get a procedure done. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

theinel
06-26-2005, 12:49 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote AmazingBrewdini:</font><hr>Like a frenzied pack of howling curs, America%u2019s malignant Left ravenously feasted upon the Abu Ghraib scandal when it broke. The opportunity it provided for them to engage in a wholesale orgy of America bashing was an allure they could not resist

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Soon, pictures of Iraqi prisoners were being gleefully brandished as evidence that American soldiers were, indeed, sexual sadists, not baby killers this time, but sexual sadists.<hr /></blockquote>
I'm a registered Republican who considers himself an Independent, who has voted largely for Democrats in the last ten years. Our two party system is highly flawed and the Republican party has sold out to extremists. Label me as you like.

You didn't write the words quoted above but that you would quote them (in addition to a lot of your recent posts) make me sad and sick at the same time. The people who railed against the Abu Ghraib scandal were Americans in the best sense in that they sought the righting of wrongs brought to their attention. Anyone who thought those images were acceptable behavior needs serious help. To call people, who point out flaws in their leadership and their leaders decisions, un-American is to show that you haven't got a clue what it means to be an American or what makes America great.

No one is calling our troops "sexual sadists". Our troops are sacrificing their lives and health for the nation that they love. They have the support of all America even if many of us question the value of the current mission that they have been sent on. The few who performed these acts and those who ordered them must be held accountable or we are not Americans at all anymore.

You mention "horrified gasps of moral outrage were heard from leftist mainstream media" well the article you quoted is exactly the extremist media that you purport to hate. I know this is an open forum but please take your hate filled misguided politics to some other web site. We, most of us come here to relate to pool and pool players not to read bogus quotes and hatred.

AmazingBrewdini
06-26-2005, 06:15 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote theinel:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote AmazingBrewdini:</font><hr>Like a frenzied pack of howling curs, America%u2019s malignant Left ravenously feasted upon the Abu Ghraib scandal when it broke. The opportunity it provided for them to engage in a wholesale orgy of America bashing was an allure they could not resist

...

Soon, pictures of Iraqi prisoners were being gleefully brandished as evidence that American soldiers were, indeed, sexual sadists, not baby killers this time, but sexual sadists.<hr /></blockquote>

I'm a registered Republican who considers himself an Independent, who has voted largely for Democrats in the last ten years. Our two party system is highly flawed and the Republican party has sold out to extremists. Label me as you like.

<font color="blue">OK, I'll label you. You are a RINO (Republican in name only). If you are attracted to Democrat policies then why not come out of the closet and declare yourself a Democrat?
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I know this is an open forum but please take your hate filled misguided politics to some other web site. We, most of us come here to relate to pool and pool players not to read bogus quotes and hatred. <hr /></blockquote>
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<font color="blue"> Where do you get off telling me what to do? Who appointed you to the position of board administrator?

Tell you what there sport, you just go ahead and post whatever you feel like posting. I'll just darn well keep on posting whatever I feel like posting.

No one, absolutely no one, is forcing you to read anything I post, and no one is going to keep me from thinking, feeling, and expressing myself freely. If that offends you, or anyone else, THEN SO BE IT. Now put that in you pipe and smoke it and then go take a flying leap at a rolling donut.
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eg8r
06-27-2005, 04:45 AM
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To call people, who point out flaws in their leadership and their leaders decisions, un-American is to show that you haven't got a clue what it means to be an American or what makes America great.
<hr /></blockquote> Can you please point out the portion in the quoted text in which you see Brewdini calling anyone "un-american"?

eg8r

Qtec
06-27-2005, 09:05 AM
The original post.

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The New Left radicals of the 1960’s were authoritarian ideologues who not only sneered at the World War II generation’s morality, but disdained America’s system of government and way of life. <hr /></blockquote>

Un-American?
Q

catscradle
06-27-2005, 10:38 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote theinel:</font><hr> ... I know this is an open forum but please take your hate filled misguided politics to some other web site. We, most of us come here to relate to pool and pool players not to read bogus quotes and hatred. <hr /></blockquote>

Gee, and I thought this was the NON-POOL RELATED sub forum. I must have been mistaken.

Chopstick
06-27-2005, 11:21 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> The original post.

&lt;/font&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;
The New Left radicals of the 1960’s were authoritarian ideologues who not only sneered at the World War II generation’s morality, but disdained America’s system of government and way of life. <hr /></blockquote>

Un-American?
Q
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I think they are worse now than they were then. Un-American? Probably so. We were a lot better off with the "World War II generation’s morality".

mred477
06-27-2005, 09:22 PM
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Our two party system is highly flawed <hr /></blockquote>

The electoral college is the solution. Get rid of it and you allow third and fourth parties to make inroads at the national level. I would prefer proportional representation (i.e. 10% vote for socialists means 10% of House members are socialist party members, etc.). That way, the Republicans would need to form a coalition with Libertarians to accomplish anything, and the Libertarians would make them drop some of the more radical religious items on the agenda. Likewise, the Democrats would also have the ability to form a coalition with the Libertarians, but they would have to give up some government regulation and free up some markets if they wanted social freedom (same sex marriage, legalized drugs, Roe vs. Wade). The idea is to make both parties need the people in the middle and if they refuse, to vote more for the people in the middle. I've long wondered why more people do not gravitate toward moderate Libertarianism, but I guess people are too busy shouting at the other party to actually stop and think about what changes they'd make to theirs.

Will

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."
- Alexander Tyler

eg8r
06-28-2005, 05:44 AM
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That way, the Republicans would need to form a coalition with Libertarians to accomplish anything, and the Libertarians would make them drop some of the more radical religious items on the agenda. <hr /></blockquote> I kind of like the religious items, what I would hope would rub off on the Reps would be smaller government, less spending. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif This might be the only area in which the Reps very closely resemble the freespending left. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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eg8r
06-28-2005, 05:51 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> The original post.

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The New Left radicals of the 1960’s were authoritarian ideologues who not only sneered at the World War II generation’s morality, but disdained America’s system of government and way of life. <hr /></blockquote>

Un-American?
Q
<hr /></blockquote> Does your post even remotely answer the question in mine, or where you just wanting to hear yourself speak?

Your implication is easy to see, however, verbatim it is not there so quit putting words in the author's mouth. I believe Fred slapped your hand for doing that the other day. Do you ever learn?

eg8r