View Full Version : Karl Rove the Source in Plame Case ?

07-02-2005, 07:20 PM
MSNBC Analyst Says Cooper Documents Reveal Karl Rove as Source in Plame Case

By Greg Mitchell

Published: July 01, 2005 11:30 PM ET updated 1:00 PM Saturday

NEW YORK Now that Time Inc. has turned over documents to federal court, presumably revealing who its reporter, Matt Cooper, identified as his source in the Valerie Plame/CIA case, speculation runs rampant on the name of that source, and what might happen to him or her. Friday night, on the syndicated McLaughlin Group political talk show, Lawrence O'Donnell, senior MSNBC political analyst, claimed to know that name--and it is, according to him, top White House mastermind Karl Rove.

Today, O'Donnell went further, writing a brief entry at the Huffington Post blog:

"I revealed in yesterday's taping of the McLaughlin Group that Time magazine's e-mails will reveal that Karl Rove was Matt Cooper's source. I have known this for months but didn't want to say it at a time that would risk me getting dragged into the grand jury.

"McLaughlin is seen in some markets on Friday night, so some websites have picked it up, including Drudge, but I don't expect it to have much impact because McLaughlin is not considered a news show and it will be pre-empted in the big markets on Sunday because of tennis.

"Since I revealed the big scoop, I have had it reconfirmed by yet another highly authoritative source. Too many people know this. It should break wide open this week. I know Newsweek is working on an 'It's Rove!' story and will probably break it tomorrow."

Here is the transcript of O'Donnell's McLaughlin Group remarks:

"What we're going to go to now in the next stage, when Matt Cooper's e-mails, within Time Magazine, are handed over to the grand jury--the ultimate revelation, probably within the week of who his source is.

"I know I'm going to get pulled into the grand jury for saying this but the source of...for Matt Cooper was Karl Rove, and that will be revealed in this document dump that Time magazine's going to do with the grand jury."

Other panelists then joined in discussing whether, if true, this would suggest a perjury rap for Rove, if he told the grand jury he did not leak to Cooper.

Besides his career at a TV journalist, O'Donnell has served as a producer and writer for the series "The West Wing."

According to published reports, Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor in the case, has interviewed President Bush and Vice President Cheney and called Karl Rove, among others, to testify before the grand jury.

"The breadth of Fitzgerald's inquiry has led to speculation that it has evolved into an investigation of a conspiracy to leak Plame's identity," the Chicago Tribune observed on Friday, "or of an attempt to cover up White House involvement in the leak."

Cooper and New York Times reporter Judith Miller, held in contempt for refusing to name sources, tried Friday to stay out of jail by arguing for home detention instead after Time Inc. surrendered its reporter's notes to a prosecutor.

Miller argued that it was pointless to imprison her because she will never talk. She submitted letters from soldiers and military officers with whom she was embedded during the war in Iraq attesting to that. (Miller's pre-war coverage of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction has drawn much criticism.)

She asked the judge for "very restrictive home detention," if confined at all, including an electronic bracelet and excluding Internet access and cellular phones. As an alternative, she asked to be sent to the federal prison camp for women in Danbury, Conn.

Meanwhile, on Capitol Hill, Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., said Friday that several unidentified Senate Republicans had placed a hold on a proposed resolution declaring support for Miller and Cooper.

``Cowards!'' Lautenberg said of the Republicans. ``Under the rules, they have a right to refuse to reveal who they are. Sound familiar?''

Lautenberg's resolution is co-sponsored by Sens. Richard Lugar (R-Ind.) and Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.) It says no purpose is served by imprisoning Miller and Cooper and that the First Amendment guarantees freedom of the press.

web page (http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000972839)

07-05-2005, 08:41 AM
MSNBC Analyst Says Cooper Documents Reveal Karl Rove as Source in Plame Case

<hr /></blockquote> /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Please, /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif let it be true! /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Q ....a guy THAT ugly deserves to go to jail. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

07-06-2005, 10:32 PM

Please, /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif let it be true! /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Q ....a guy THAT ugly deserves to go to jail. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif <hr /></blockquote>
Could we be that lucky? Putting Rove in prison would be a huge boost for rational human beings in the next few elections.

Gayle in MD
07-07-2005, 05:26 AM
Unless the Republicans manage to block the appointment of a Special Prosecutor, or, change the law to suit their usual illegal activities, or, buy themselves a corrupt "Born Again" crook for the job of Special Prosecutor, this most recent Illegal dirty trick, exposing an undercover spy, will lead straight to the Whitehouse. We may be free of Bushy at last, or atleast Cheney and Rove. The only thing that could make this any better, would be if we learned that Kenneth Starr was also involved!

Does anybody really think that Rove would pull this off without the full and complete approval of Cheney and Bush?

Gayle in Md.

07-07-2005, 11:56 AM
Gayle I think it was as if they put an x on her head to have her executed. It was a dasterly criminal act that should get the leaker a long jail sentence. I find fault with the reporters who put her in harms way. They should have turned on Karl Rove for putting her life in Jeopardy.####

Gayle in MD
07-07-2005, 03:16 PM
I agree Dick, and all because her husband refused to lie about Iraq having bought the Yellow Cake. Also, how the heck did Robert Knovak get off the hook on all this?

There has been information for months that Cheney is involved, and if he knew, then Bush knew also. Another Obstruction of Justice. Another coverup....

Looks like Spygate to me....

07-09-2005, 04:17 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr>... Please, /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif let it be true! /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif <hr /></blockquote>Dream on Q. I can't wait to see how this little witch hunt turns out. More egg on the face of the MSM and a few gung-ho libs would be my guess. Such amateurs. It must be embarassing to be a liberal these days.

Funny thing, Rove testified before the Grand Jury for several hours, and the Special Prosecutor called his testimony "candid and forthcoming" about his contact with reporters. And Rove signed not one, but TWO waivers allowing reporters to discuss his interviews with the Special Prosecutor. Gee, really sounds like he has something to hide, doesn't it?

It's also looking like it was Cooper that sought out Rove for the interview, not the other way around. Hmmm, kind of hard to plot a conspiracy around that, isn't it?

Of course, nobody is critcizing the MSM, who actually printed the story and supposedly "broke her cover". Oh, yeah, she had already stopped working undercover by then, and was stationed at the CIA headquarters. IOW, she wasn't even a covert operator anyway.

Good luck, I hope you aren't too disappointed when the whole story comes out. It's starting to look more and more like it was the reporters who told Rove that Plame worked for the CIA, not the other way around. But I suppose you think Rove knows every CIA employee personally.... /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

07-09-2005, 04:20 PM

Right from day one, Karl Rove cemented his link with the religious right, by being born on Dec 25, 1950, a day many on the right refer to as “Christmas," a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ (an influential leader worshiped by the religious right.) It was no surprise that Dec 25, 1950 was ALSO the same EXACT day Communist forces recrossed the 38th parallel into South Korea. Clearly, Rove was already making an impact.

"This is what he does," says one observer.

After an unremarkable stint in high school, Rove entered the University of Utah, which currently ranks FIFTH HIGHEST among the nation's campuses for drug-related arrests. Rove dropped out after a few years. What is more interesting: when you research other individuals who have dropped out of college, two names keep coming up.

Rush Limbaugh. Tucker Carlson.


Rove began his political career with the College Republicans, an organization operating on college campuses with the expressed goal of extolling the virtues of the Republican party. Although not at his branch, or during his period of involvement, there was another well-known member of the College Republicans. His name was Lee Atwater.

Lee Atwater is dead.
Like Paul Wellstone.
Like Ron Brown.
Like John Tower.
The list could go on. All died in air crashes, with the exception of Lee Atwater. In Rove's world, the exception clearly proves the rule. And vice versa.

Rove chaired the College Republicans from 1973 to 1974. During the period, Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker were abducted from their fishing hole on the Pascagoula River in Mississippi. It was also at that time that a UFO tried to to abduct a military helicopter while it was flying in the Ohio skies. Even more chilling, both events happened at the same time as the Yom Kippur War, when Egypt and Syria attacked Israeli occupied territories in the Sinai and Golan Heights.

This happened between the 6th and 22nd of October. But, we ask, where was Rove?

And nowhere.
At the same time.
And at different times ,as well.

Rove continued to work for the Republican circles in very specific, but often vague, even mysterious posts. He was made conspicuous by his deliberate inconspicuousness. In 1979, he did some work on George H. W. Bush’s 1980 vice presidential bid. During Rove's involvement, there were EIGHT major plane crashes, including a Western Air Lines DC-10, which collided with a dumpster truck, killing 72 people in Mexico City at Benito Juarez Airport. One can only wonder what Rove was having for lunch.

A burrito?
A sizzling plate of fajitas?
"He likes his Mexican food," says one observer.

Rove's web of evil expanded through the 1980’s and 90’s, and it seemed, wherever Rove (or Karl, to his friends) would roam, tragedy would follow.

It was as though tragedy was his shadow.
Or his pet dog.

Or his pet dog...Shadow.

In 1981, Rove founded a consulting firm (named, in a brazen act of incrimination, after himself) in, of all places, Austin Texas. Soon after, the “Memorial Day Flood” hit Austin, drowning 13 people and causing 36 million dollars in damages...

36 million dollars...an identical sum needed to fund George Bush’s presidential campaign.

Naturally, Rove emerged unscathed, even refreshed, from the disaster.
Yet, the coincidences were piling up the way coincidences do: in neatly stacked piles outside Rove's house of lies. A house bought and paid for by coincidences. And lies.

In 1993, Rove began advising George w. Bush’s gubernatorial compaign. Almost immediately, United States Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall dies. Rove probably did a little Pirouette - not unlike something Rudolf Nureyev might have done, if he also hadn’t had died that year.

Rove had only been at it for a year, and already a black and a Russian had died.

Rove's favorite drink?

You guessed it: a Black Russian.

During that same year, Rove had visited Los Angeles on a number of occasions. But where, you ask, was he on Halloween? Good question. We’d ask River Phoenix, but he died, conveniently on that VERY day. Where did he die?

You guessed it: Los Angeles. The VERY same Los Angeles that Rove had visited on A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS.

You might guess the death of journeyman catcher Bo Diaz, crushed to death on his roof in his native Venezuela by a satellite dish, plays into this too. rove's partner in crime George W. Bush was the owner and president of the Texas Rangers at about the exact time. one can only imagine why Diaz had to go. One thing is for sure, he isn't talking.

Rove is now a Senior Advisor to the President and, no surprise, is at the center of yet another controversy. A reporter has accused Rove of being the source who leaked Valerie Plame's identity to a columnist. This accusation, oddly, was quickly followed in the news by an attack on Comet Tempel 1, hit by NASA's "copper bullet" from a nearby spacecraft. The reason the government gave for destroying the comet? "To create a crater for scientific study."

Right. We know better. Couldn’t the real reason for this senseless attack on an innocent piece of space refuse be to deflect attention away from Rove - and to focus it toward something else, high in the sky?

Clearly, this conspiracy goes higher than we even imagined. Much higher. To the top. Or maybe even higher than that. Really really high. Even higher than before.

and that brings us back to the center of this conspiracy. Ellen DeGeneres, and Anne Heche. think about what strong advocates ellen and anne would have been for the gay marriage. they would have been living proof that 'it works'! but then george bush is elected and mysteriously ann goes straight. only one person on the planet could have orchestrated this sequence of events....

HAHAHAHAHA.... /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif