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jerrodbottini
08-10-2005, 11:44 PM
I am here watching WPBA on ESPN, And it always seems like the pockets are ((HUGE))... What do you think? I never see the WPBA play on diamond tables.

Fran Crimi
08-11-2005, 06:50 AM
WPBA pockets are standard at 4 5/8. That's far from huge. Measure the pockets at your local pool room and compare them to that size.

Brunswick is the official table sponsor of the WPBA, which means there is a contract between the WPBA and Brunswick to play on their tables. In short...they give us money, we play on their tables.

Fran

dr_dave
08-11-2005, 08:34 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fran Crimi:</font><hr> WPBA pockets are standard at 4 5/8. That's far from huge. Measure the pockets at your local pool room and compare them to that size.<hr /></blockquote>
Agreed! The centers of the ranges for the standard BCA specifications for pocket mouth opening sizes are 5" for a corner pocket and 5 1/2" for a side pocket.

Dave

BooBoo
08-11-2005, 10:09 AM
I'm not trying to cause problems here but, I own one of the GCIV's from a WPBA tour stop. The mouth of the corner pocket measures out to 5 inches. That is from tip to tip. I didn't shim the pockets because I like the table just the way it is. To me it is one of the best tables made and has been the standard by which all tables have been judged for the last forty years. I don't know if the tv table pockets are tighter but I know what mine are.

dr_dave
08-11-2005, 10:14 AM
I can't vouch for the TV tables, but I assume Fran can.

It sounds like your table is exactly to BCA spec (center of the range).

Dave

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BooBoo:</font><hr> I'm not trying to cause problems here but, I own one of the GCIV's from a WPBA tour stop. The mouth of the corner pocket measures out to 5 inches. That is from tip to tip. I didn't shim the pockets because I like the table just the way it is. To me it is one of the best tables made and has been the standard by which all tables have been judged for the last forty years. I don't know if the tv table pockets are tighter but I know what mine are. <hr /></blockquote>

Fran Crimi
08-11-2005, 01:11 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BooBoo:</font><hr> I'm not trying to cause problems here but, I own one of the GCIV's from a WPBA tour stop. The mouth of the corner pocket measures out to 5 inches. That is from tip to tip. I didn't shim the pockets because I like the table just the way it is. To me it is one of the best tables made and has been the standard by which all tables have been judged for the last forty years. I don't know if the tv table pockets are tighter but I know what mine are. <hr /></blockquote>

I just checked with the WPBA site coordinator and she confirmed the specs. The specs have been in effect for the past 4 years, so if you purchased the table prior to that, it may not have been adjusted. Also, the facings are sometimes removed prior to delivery. OR...since the WPBA uses different installers at each event, it's possible the facings were accidentally left off that particular table during the frenzy of the tournament setup. It's not likely, but anything's possible with the number of people running around trying to get things done.

But 4 5/8 is the number. I can confirm it first hand, having played in several WPBA events.

Fran

BooBoo
08-11-2005, 01:26 PM
Hi Fran, met you at Windsor with my friend Kandy. The table I have came from the Soaring Eagle Casino at Mount Pleasant, MI. I have had it for three years and it was stored for about a year before that. It was the tour ending 2001 National with Karen Corr coming out on top. It was the last event the casino held in connection with the WPBA. The article can be found in the BD issue of February 2002. The table was disassembled and packed backed into the original cartons, when I received it I thought it was a brand new table except for the break line on the cloth. Hope this helps.

wolfdancer
08-11-2005, 08:03 PM
No, the pockets can not be any bigger....that's an OSHA reg. to prevent anybody from accidently falling in them
Now the gals may think they are regulation, but as Judy Henske points out...women are measurement challenged...she holds up her hand with the thumb and forefinger about 3 1/2" apart, and says for years men have been telling us that's 6"

I've used smaller diameter openings for ice-fishing

Re: the tables

The pockets are oversized
The balls are undersized
The cueball is lighter then the other balls, to enable the ladies to actually draw the ball.
Also, the side rails are deadened for the first diamond and a half, to help missed shots to be pocketed
Otherwise the matches would go on for an inderminate time, and they would have to declare the winner, the one who had sank the most balls
It's show biz

woody_968
08-11-2005, 08:55 PM
Part of the issue has got to be playing on new cloth. Its not just a factor on the WPBA, the mens TV matches show the same signs. On new cloth the ball slides farther when contacting the side rail and will allow the ball to go in. If the same table sat in a poolroom and was "played in" several of the shots that are made at first wouldnt go in the pocket.

Fran Crimi
08-11-2005, 08:58 PM
Hi there,

That was a nice place, wasn't it? Was that the year everyone got caught in the snowstorm? I just barely made it out before the flights started getting canceled. The players who didn't make it out were stuck there an extra two days. Not a bad place to be stuck, though....very pretty. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

We should have had the specs in place by then so my guess is that the guys who disassembled the table removed the facings, putting the table back into it's factory condition. The facings were added just for the tournament. Yes, you did get a brand new table with the exception of the tournament play it received.

Fran

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BooBoo:</font><hr> Hi Fran, met you at Windsor with my friend Kandy. The table I have came from the Soaring Eagle Casino at Mount Pleasant, MI. I have had it for three years and it was stored for about a year before that. It was the tour ending 2001 National with Karen Corr coming out on top. It was the last event the casino held in connection with the WPBA. The article can be found in the BD issue of February 2002. The table was disassembled and packed backed into the original cartons, when I received it I thought it was a brand new table except for the break line on the cloth. Hope this helps. <hr /></blockquote>

Williebetmore
08-12-2005, 04:29 PM
"WPBA pockets are standard at 4 5/8."

This measurement is at the opening of the corner pocket. At the drop-off they are 4 1/2" (at least these are the 2 measurements announced last week in Peoria at the WPBA tournament). These are the standard measurements of a double-shimmed GCIV (ie. standard table with one extra shim in addition to the stock shim). I think this setup is definitely fair for professionals - not too hard, not too easy (though the new cloth does make it somewhat easier than on older tables).

ras314
08-15-2005, 06:51 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr>
Re: the tables

The pockets are oversized
The balls are undersized
The cueball is lighter then the other balls, to enable the ladies to actually draw the ball.
Also, the side rails are deadened for the first diamond and a half, to help missed shots to be pocketed
Otherwise the matches would go on for an inderminate time, and they would have to declare the winner, the one who had sank the most balls
It's show biz
<hr /></blockquote>

I assume this is a tonque in cheek sarcastic comment? WPBA tables I've been able to check were tighter than most pool hall Gold Crowns without shims, just as Fran says. Admit I haven't played on the TV tables. At the BCA 9 ball open the women played on the same tables as the men, were Connelys this year.

May head over to Vegas next week for the APA doings, bored silly here. Happen to know of one place with some nice tight Gold Crowns. Interested in some cheap action?

wolfdancer
08-16-2005, 08:56 AM
Sure, it was intended as a joke...I have the greatest respect for the gals competing under the pressure of both the $$ at stake, and the fact that the match is being televised. They may play a notch, or two, under the men pros.....but they are several notches above my own game......
I haven't been to LV for a few years now....but the rooms are easy to find....good luck, on all the tables there.