View Full Version : How do the women concentrate???
After watching some of ESPN2's coverage from Alpine Valley, CA, I need to wonder how the women concentrate while playing. The crowd applauds after every damned shot! I'm not exaggerating... it's insane.
It also seems insulting... if a crowd applauded when I made a hanger, I would think they thought I was terrible.
Someone needs to do something about this. (Turning the sound off doesn't work; the eagerness of the spectators' hands is making me crazy.)
06-24-2002, 10:49 PM
Its even more annoying in person. At Valley Forge Karen Corr DELIBERATELY FOULED!-rolled a ball about 8 inches and absentmindedly set up Gerda with a combo on the 9 and the crowd applauded (as the did on every other shot).
Today I saw the match from the beginning. They seem to be intentionally trying to promote this applause in the way wrestling is promoted. I didn't like the phoney enthusiams they try to get going right at the introductions. It just seemed too phoney to me. And it seems like they are looking to carry this over into the match. It just doesn't seem like a good way to promote pool. Maybe they need to rethink this strategy.
06-24-2002, 11:27 PM
I was unable to watch the match you are talking about; I was in a tourney of my own tonight. But I have seen that happen during other matches I've seen on t.v.
I don't know why the audience applauds on every shot. I figure it's one of two things. Either they are prompted to do so, or they applaud the effort or run.
As for how women concentrate, I don't know how, but I can focus very well when I play. I focus much better in a tourney than I do when I practice. I tune out everything except for what's on the table.
Heide ~ unless you're a woman, this won't help much, LOL
Steve, maybe they should start playing 14-1. lol It doesn't make a lot of sense to me either. There must be someone giving them a prompt or the fans just don't know a dam thing about pool. Applause after a tough shot or runout is ok, but short simple cuts and stop shots is getting carried away. I personally don't think concentration should be much of an issue since it always gets quiet. To build up the game/shots past reality is another matter. Some super shots they come up with are real doozies!not) I wonder what audience their sending a message to? Certainly not seasoned players. Which brings us back to the audience. I didn't watch the whole match, other things to do.
Hey there Steve. Raph here.
Having attended many pro venues for the women as well as my own experience in vegas at the BCA.
Steve Tipton puts the crowd up to it. For most of the matches, the crowd is very respectful and quiet during the play. Only applauding at the proper times.
During the TV matches. Since they are the only ones aired on ESPN. Steve Tipton's routine is to go around the room and prep the crowd to go bananas over everything. Seeing which section of spectators can be the loudest.
It is only during the TV matches that i have observed this.
Guess it has to do with how pool is percieved on TV.
As far as i know, it is limited to the women and the BCA tournament (men and women). Which Steve and Peg run. Those are the only tournaments aside from that 7ball thing that i've seen aired on tv.
All the other tournaments i've been to or played in.
The crowd is pretty quiet and only applaude when it's a pretty decent shot.
I totally understand what you mean about making a hanger and the crowd going WILD.
It would drive me crazy.
Anyway! That's why i think it happens. How the ladies concentrate with that going on.....I have no idea.
Say hi to Gina for me. I've been practicing...so all i ask is no triple word score. THAT'S IT!
She can bet the farm!
catch you later
06-25-2002, 04:12 AM
Raph, I agree with you totally. I have attended several TV events at Valley Forge. Steve Tipton does recommend that the crowd applaud, screem and make noise after every shot. He spends time before the match, and during some of the commercial breaks, prompting the crowd on how they would like them to react. They think this makes pool look more exciting on TV. If you don't like the crowd's behavior, blame Steve Tipton, not the people in the crowd. The crowd is doing what they have been told to do.
At all matches leading upto the TV matches, the crowd is very respectful and only applauds when appropriate. You wouldn't know it from TV, but, on the whole, the crowd at the Valley Forge event is very knowledgeable.
06-25-2002, 04:35 AM
For TV matches the crowd should be issued house sticks that they can gently tap on the floor after good shots....:)
06-25-2002, 05:57 AM
It is the way of the future. TV demands action and noise. Thus the applause. At the last two Williams tournaments applauding was encouraged also. If the players can deal with it then I see nothing wrong with it. I guess none of you play in pool halls with the jukebox going at 70 db. Jake~~~if I can tune out my wife a loud jukebox or applause is a snap. LOL
06-25-2002, 06:03 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: jjinfla:</font><hr> I guess none of you play in pool halls with the jukebox going at 70 db. Jake~~~if I can tune out my wife a loud jukebox or applause is a snap. LOL <hr></blockquote>
Not 70 db. At times, I believe, the jukebox is at 100 db, especially when Rap music (I use the term loosely) is playing.
For some unknown reason, I am able to block it all out.
06-25-2002, 06:09 AM
That was one of the things that set Earl off at the Central FL Open. He was hooked, missed the hit (not all that tough a hit) and the crowd went wild. He took it personally.
I know that during the US Open, I had a short run that included a jump, two rail kick, one rail kick and a bank (in that order) and had people clapping for me after each shot and I didn't even notice it until after I missed the bank to hang the 9 and give the game (and ultimately the match)to JR Calvert.
06-25-2002, 10:05 AM
I agree with you, about the new image the tv people are trying to create. I suspected they were promped anyway. They used to add the laugh tracks, in alot of the tv shows. I really don't think Steve was exactly upset about that, as much as, the insincerity of the applauses.
Kind of like when you slop a ball in, and it being odvious and your opponent says, "Great Shot." You want to tell him, "Get Real." lol Notice, I said you. haha I never slop balls in. hahahaha Experienced shooters like the ones who post here, know the difference. I hate, to see them trying to pull the wool over anyones eyes. It only adds IMO another false con people can blame on our sport but, that's tv for ya.
As far as the women's concentration thing goes. They've learned to concentrate from their first shot. IMO Can you imagine how they feel everytime they get down on the ball, what they're thinking? They're thinking, every guy in the house is checking out my package.
As my wife played in the tourney lastnight. In which I might add she was 2 matches from taking the winner of winners bracket. Got knocked out 1 out of the money. Proud of her. She's improving every tourney. Anyway, they would be right. I couldn't keep my eyes off that package. LOL
Hey, by the way. I don't know if I mentioned this but after seeing the picture of you and your wife. I thought you look so happy togather. Great picture.
C.C.~~the nerve of these women thinking men, would stoop(?) so low as to look at their bodies, while they're trying to shoot. We get no respect.
Your wife has a package? Yikes /ccboard/images/icons/smile.gif
Whitewolf, in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with being serious while playing pool. Especially not while playing in the semifinals of a major tournament.
Just for the record, when good players slop balls in, they don't laugh, and they don't want applause. Jeanette's joke about the bug was actually not well-received at all by the audience (it was the only time during the match, actually, that the crowd stayed quiet!) And I don't think it was a coincidence that she missed the kick on her next shot... her own joke took her out of focus.
As for "who cares if the pros don't like it", well, I strongly disagree. Charlie's UPA will hopefully address such an argument, with his emphasis on taking care of the players.
I am sure that if the fans knew how bothersome the constant applause was, they would stop. I believe it to be Steve Tipton's responsibility to cease this silly practice.
Televised pool has a ton of problems, and it needs to be recognized that nonstop applause is not a panacea. Especially when a portion of the audience isn't knowledgable enough to differentiate between getting good and bad position on the next ball. Hearing applause after a poor shot is a great way to guarantee a negative experience for the viewer.
06-25-2002, 01:28 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Steve_Lipsky:</font><hr> After watching some of ESPN2's coverage from Alpine Valley, CA, I need to wonder how the women concentrate while playing. The crowd applauds after every damned shot! I'm not exaggerating... it's insane.
- Steve <hr></blockquote>
If you think WPBA is full of inappropriate applause, watch pro bowling sometime. They applaud right as the ball leaves the bowler's hand. Then they applaud again after it hits the pins. How weird is that? Imagine playing pool knowing that the whole audience is going to start cheering before the CB strikes the OB. That would be quite unnerving I think.
Is this a pro bowling tradition of some sort? Is it something new? I don't know. I watched it the other day for the first time in years. Maybe they're trying to make pro bowling acceptable for the casual bowler. Hmmm...sounds familiar.
06-25-2002, 01:31 PM
You are absolutely right, the encouragement of applauding is not limited to the televised women's events. Back in the day when the PBTA existed and the men's Pro tour was televised, the producers whether it was ESPN or Fox Sports encouraged the audience to clap and cheer.
I guess the producers believe that creating the noise will peak the interest of viewers while channel-surfing.
I agree that the applauding goes to far and Steve makes a good point about cheering at the improper moment. I believe that applauding is necessary for TV, but I also believe that it is our responsibility as fans as applaud properly. If not only for the players, but for the general audience who do not understand this great game. We give the non-pool playing audience bad examples of what is a truely great shot.
I think that producers and tournament directors should encourage applauses, but tell the audience to be realistic. Let's face it, the people in the audience should recognize the right time to clap since if you are avid enough to attend you must know better!!
06-26-2002, 06:05 PM
No more,no less than any other person does but, I like it and it's all mine. hahahaha By the way, don't give up shooting to be a comedian, you'll starve.
C.C.~~packages come in three forms, Men, Women and Alien. Lol
Hey, there are many schools of thought. One is that the players who can display the minimum of emotion, are the most feared, and the most consistent. Other players like peace and quiet, and will insist on, and wait for silence until they play. Other players are emotional, and laugh, groan and whistle. So long as this happens when they (not their opponent) are at the table, that's quite OK. They all have their place.
The fans (other than the raucous railbirds in a grudge money match), are rarely outrageously distracting. Which is more than I can say for a whole lot of big games in casino's, where the surrounding din is loud, constant, but unpredictable, and totally distracting.
As for silly comments, even the sweetest and nicest of the women players let their mouths run ahead of their brains once in a while. Only natural. I, for one, do it pretty much all of the time.
The best players are the ones who, whatever their demeanour and their own psyche, can tune out the distractions, and the occasional ditsy fan, and just play.
... because that's what a professional is meant to do.
The pro game quite simply depends on the fans. The reality is that some fans are dipsticks (hey, don't point over here), and they'll clap at anything. And, so long as the pro game's about money, then putting up with the money people (the fans, the casino sponsors and their &^&*$ing one-arm-bandits, and those TV people that insist on short matches and 9-ball) is quite simply part of the deal.
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