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11-10-2005, 06:20 PM
Televangelist Robertson warns town of God's wrath

Nov 10, 2005 By Alan Elsner

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Conservative Christian televangelist Pat Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected God by voting their school board out of office for supporting "intelligent design" and warned them on Thursday not to be surprised if disaster struck.

Robertson, a former Republican presidential candidate and founder of the influential conservative Christian Broadcasting Network and Christian Coalition, has a long record of similar apocalyptic warnings and provocative statements.

Last summer, he hit the headlines by calling for the assassination of leftist Venezuelan Present Hugo Chavez, one of President George W. Bush's most vocal international critics.

"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: if there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected Him from your city," Robertson said on his daily television show broadcast from Virginia, "The 700 Club."

"And don't wonder why He hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for His help because he might not be there," he said.

The 700 Club claims a daily audience of around one million. It is also broadcast around the world translated into more than 70 languages.

In voting on Tuesday, all eight Dover, Pennsylvania, school board members up for re-election lost their seats after trying to introduce "intelligent design" to high school science students as an alternative to the theory of evolution.

Adherents of intelligent design argue that certain forms in nature are too complex to have evolved through natural selection and must have been created by a "designer." Opponents say it is the latest attempt by conservatives to introduce religion into the school science curriculum.

The Dover case sparked a trial in federal court that gained nationwide attention after the school board was sued by parents backed by the American Civil Liberties Union. The board ordered schools to read students a short statement in biology classes informing them that the theory of evolution is not established fact and that gaps exist in it.

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11-10-2005, 06:41 PM
George W. Bush walks into town and says "Bring it on"

11-11-2005, 05:21 AM
This town is about 1 1/2 hours from me. Actually closer to where Deeman3 used to live. This argument has been going on for quite awhile.


11-11-2005, 06:07 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote dg-in-centralpa:</font><hr> This town is about 1 1/2 hours from me. Actually closer to where Deeman3 used to live. This argument has been going on for quite awhile.

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<font color="blue"> DG,

I believe in God but maybe not in Pat Robertson. </font color>

hoping I was of intellegent design but my backache says "No!"

11-11-2005, 06:09 AM
Well, it's a little out there, but not quite as bad as asking for the assassination of the President of Venezuela.


11-11-2005, 05:48 PM
If Pat said that...it's "Gospel"
God will probably burn the city to the ground, and anybody that stops, and looks back...can you say...sodium chloride?

11-13-2005, 04:20 PM
Snaketyxx Where the Hell has Pat been. What the Hell did he think brought on the Hurricanes. Everyday the Muslims get on their knees 5 times a day and Pray to their God to bring Destruction on the Infidels, Occuppiers of their Holy Land. It seemed to work,Katrina,Wilma,Rosemary, Paula, even an unnamed one.
I would say the Proof is in the Hurricanes[pudding].####

Gayle in MD
11-14-2005, 08:53 AM
Pat Robertson, and Jerry Falwell, two total jerks, they ought to be dropped in the middle of the Jehadd, nude, no weapons, and nothing but their bibles to protect them...and let them see if they can pray their way out of it.

The one thing that should be included in the complex at ground zero is a United Religious Organization, where representatives from each religion of the world could gather for the purpose of dialogue, to encourage understanding and acceptance among all religions of the world. It's probably the only way we could ever hope to wipe out war, since most wars are fought over religious disagreements.

Gayle in Md., Organized religion, generally gives me a pain in the neck, especially the evangelistic jerks....

11-15-2005, 06:42 AM
Gayle Evangelists give me a pain in the neck too. Especially those who profit from it to the tune of 500,000,000.####

11-15-2005, 10:16 AM
Teaming with Paul and Jan Crouch, the Bakkers created the "Praise the Lord" show for the Crouchs' new Trinity Broadcasting Network in California. While that relationship lasted only about a year, this time the Bakkers retained the rights to use the initials "PTL" and traveled east to Charlotte to begin their own show, The PTL Club. This time, with the Bakkers fully in control, their show grew quickly until it was carried by close to a hundred stations, with average viewers numbering over twelve million, and the Bakkers had established their own network, The PTL Network. They attributed much of their success to decisions early on to accept all denominations and to refuse no one regardless of race, creed, sexual orientation or criminal record.

By the early 1980s the Bakkers had built Heritage USA (in Fort Mill, south of Charlotte), then the third most successful theme park in the US, and a satellite system to distribute their network twenty-four hours a day across the country. Annual contributions requested from viewers were estimated to exceed one million dollars a week, with proceeds to go to expanding the theme park and mission of PTL.

Between 1984 and 1987, the Bakkers received annual salaries of $200,000 each and Jim awarded himself over $4 million in bonuses. Their assets at that time included a $600,000 house in Palm Springs, four condominiums in California, and a Rolls Royce. In their success, the Bakkers took conspicuous consumption to an unusual level for a non-profit. PTL once spent $100,000 for a private jet to fly the Bakkers' clothing across the country. It also once spent $100 for cinnamon rolls because the Bakkers wanted the smell of them in their hotel room. According to Frances FitzGerald in an April 1987 New Yorker article, "They epitomized the excesses of the 1980s; the greed, the love of glitz, and the shamelessness; which in their case was so pure as to almost amount to a kind of innocence."

On March 19, 1987, following threats of the revelation of the payoff to former secretary Jessica Hahn, whom Bakker's staff members had paid $265,000 to keep secret her sexual services to him, Bakker resigned from the PTL. Jerry Falwell called Bakker a liar, embezzler, sexual deviate, and "the greatest scab and cancer on the face of Christianity in two thousand years of church history." Falwell was rumored to be using the situation to gain control of a leading broadcast competitor. Bakker's absence resulted in a fierce fight for control of The PTL Network among several other prominent televangelists, which Falwell won. Upon taking over, Falwell fired Bakker's entire staff, and he provided much of the damning information presented at Bakker's later fraud trial. Under Falwell's leadership, the PTL Network went bankrupt within a short time and was liquidated at a deep discount.

Financial irregularities in the PTL organization led to another scandal. From 1984 to 1987, Bakker and his PTL associates had sold "lifetime memberships" for a $1,000 or more that entitled buyers to a three-night stay annually at a luxury hotel at Heritage USA. According to the prosecution at Bakker's later fraud trial, tens of thousands of memberships had been sold, but only one 500-room hotel was ever completed. Bakker sold more "exclusive" partnerships than could be accommodated, while raising more than twice the money needed to build the actual hotel. A good deal of the money went into Heritage USA's operating expenses, and Bakker kept $3,700,000 for himself. Bakker, who apparently made all of the financial decisions for the PTL organization, kept two sets of books to conceal the accounting irregularities. Reporters from the newspaper The Charlotte Observer, led by Charles Shepard, discovered and exposed the financial wrongdoings.

Conviction and prison
Bakker was indicted on federal charges of fraud, tax evasion, and racketeering. In 1989 after trial in Charlotte, Judge Robert Potter convicted Bakker of fraud and conspiring to commit fraud and sentenced him to forty-five years in federal prison. Bakker's associate, Richard Dortch, senior vice-president of PTL, and associate pastor of Heritage Village Church, also went to prison. In 1992, Bakker and his wife Tammy Faye were divorced at her request. Reminiscent of Biblical passage Matthew 25:36, evangelist Billy Graham visited Bakker in prison, as did his son, Franklin Graham, repeatedly saying, "Jim Bakker's my friend."

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Jimmy Swaggart (born March 15, 1935 in Ferriday, Louisiana) is a Christian preacher and pioneer of televangelism who reached the height of his popularity in the 1980s. During the 1970s Swaggart established a lucrative ministry under the Assembly of God, which in the 1980s was estimated to make over $150 million per year. Swaggart is perhaps best known for his highly publicized prostitution scandal in 1988.

When the PTL scandal destroyed fellow Assemblies of God minister Jim Bakker, Swaggart publicly denounced Bakker as "a cancer on the body of Christ." Shortly afterward Swaggart faced his own sex scandal, as a private investigator hired by a rival evangelist Marvin Gorman documented a series of meetings with prostitutes. (Gorman himself had been fired from the Assembly of God ministry after Swaggart had reported that Gorman was having an adulterous affair.)

In 1987, Swaggart was involved with a prostitute at a Metairie, Louisiana hotel called the Travel Inn on Airline Highway, when Gorman and some associates flattened the tires on Swaggart's car, went and got cameras, and took photographs of Swaggart exiting the hotel with the prostitute. Gorman confronted Swaggart and told him he would have to come clean. Swaggart said he would, but refused to do so.

Only after much wraggling did Gorman take copies of the photographs to the Assemblies of God headquarters in Springfield, Missouri. The story broke on February 20, 1988, four months after Swaggart had promised to confess his sin. On February 21, 1988, on his television show taped in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, Swaggart confessed that he was guilty of an unspecified sin and would be temporarily leaving the pulpit. Swaggart lost much of his audience after this event. Swaggart blamed his problems on "demons" and claimed that controversial evangelist Oral Roberts had "cast out the demons" over the phone, thus assuring Swaggart was now free of moral defect. (source: "The Agony of Deceit" by Mike Horton).

While Swaggart may have frequented other seedy hotels in areas such as Baton Rouge and Lake Charles, the location of the infamous photograph was in Metairie
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Didnt tammy faye do all those infomercials with KT [ owner of the IPT] that eventually got him throw off the airwaves?

Small world.

hypocritical ba$7ards- the lot of them.

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