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moblsv
03-26-2006, 10:56 AM
Be worried, be very worried

The climate is crashing, and global warming is to blame

Sunday, March 26, 2006; Posted: 11:27 a.m. EST (16:27 GMT)
(Time.comexternal link) -- No one can say exactly what it looks like when a planet takes ill, but it probably looks a lot like Earth.

Never mind what you've heard about global warming as a slow-motion emergency that would take decades to play out. Suddenly and unexpectedly, the crisis is upon us.

From heat waves to storms to floods to fires to massive glacial melts, the global climate seems to be crashing around us.

The problem -- as scientists suspected but few others appreciated -- is that global climate systems are booby-trapped with tipping points and feedback loops, thresholds past which the slow creep of environmental decay gives way to sudden and self-perpetuating collapse. That's just what's happening now.

It's at the north and south poles -- where ice cover is crumbling to slush -- that the crisis is being felt the most acutely.

Late last year, for example, researchers analyzed data from Canadian and European satellites and found that the Greenland ice sheet is not only melting, but doing so faster and faster, with 53 cubic miles draining away into the sea last year alone, compared to 23 cubic miles in 1996.

One of the reasons the loss of the planet's ice cover is accelerating is that as the poles' bright white surface disappears it changes the relationship of the Earth and the sun. Polar ice is so reflective that 90 percent of the sunlight that strikes it simply bounces back into space, taking its energy with it. Ocean water does just the opposite, absorbing 90 percent of the light and heat it receives, meaning that each mile of ice that melts vanishes faster than the mile that preceded it.

This is what scientists call a feedback loop, and a similar one is also melting the frozen land called permafrost, much of which has been frozen -- since the end of last ice age in fact, or at least 8,000 years ago.

Sealed inside that cryonic time capsule are layers of decaying organic matter, thick with carbon, which itself can transform into CO2. In places like the southern boundary of Alaska the soil is now melting and softening.

As fast as global warming is changing the oceans and ice caps, it's having an even more immediate effect on land. Droughts are increasingly common as higher temperatures also bake moisture out of soil faster, causing dry regions that live at the margins to tip into full-blown crisis.

Wildfires in such sensitive regions as Indonesia, the western U.S. and even inland Alaska have been occurring with increased frequency as timberlands grow more parched. Those forests that don't succumb to fire can simply die from thirst.

With habitats crashing, the animals that call them home are succumbing too. In Alaska, salmon populations are faltering as melting permafrost pours mud into rivers, burying the gravel the fish need for spawning. Small animals such as bushy tailed rats, chipmunks and pinion mice are being chased upslope by rising temperatures, until they at last have no place to run.

And with sea ice vanishing, polar bears are starting to turn up drowned. "There will be no polar ice by 2060," says Larry Schweiger, president of the National Wildlife Federation. "Somewhere along that path, the polar bear drops out."

So much environmental collapse has at last awakened much of the world, particularly the 141 nations that have ratified the Kyoto treaty to reduce emissions. The Bush administration, however, has shown no willingness to address the warming crisis in a serious way and Congress has not been much more encouraging.

Sens. John McCain and Joe Lieberman have twice been unable to get even mild measures to limit carbon emissions through a recalcitrant Senate.

A 10-member House delegation did recently travel to Antarctica, Australia and New Zealand to meet with scientists studying climate change. "Of the 10 of us, only three were believers to begin with," says Rep. Sherman Boehlert of New York. "Every one of the others said this opened their eyes."

But lawmakers who still applaud themselves for recognizing global warming are hardly the same as lawmakers with the courage to reverse it, and increasingly, state and local governments are stepping forward.

The mayors of more than 200 cities have signed the U.S. Mayors Climate Protection Agreement, pledging, among other things, that they will meet the Kyoto goal of reducing greenhouse emissions in their own cities to 1990 levels by 2012. Nine northeastern states have established the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative for the purpose of developing a program to cap greenhouse gasses.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/26/coverstory/index.html

moblsv
03-26-2006, 02:04 PM
and republicans are getting stupider

The partisan gap on global warming seems to be shifting, according to the poll. In 1998, 31% of Republicans and independents alike were sure that global warming was happening, compared with 39% among Democrats. Today, 46% of Democrats and 45% of independents are certain, but only 26% of Republicans feel that way, according to the poll.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1176967,00.html

Gayle in MD
03-26-2006, 08:37 PM
and republicans are getting stupider

Gee...didn't think that was possible... /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Gayle in Md.

pooltchr
03-27-2006, 05:46 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> and republicans are getting stupider

Gee...didn't think that was possible... /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Gayle in Md. <hr /></blockquote>

Give 'em enough time, and they might even get down to your level!
Steve

eg8r
03-27-2006, 08:25 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Be worried, be very worried
<hr /></blockquote> The sky is falling. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif This is the final attempt to get us all to write our Senators begging them to put pressure on the President to sign the saviour treaty. If only we had signed the Kyoto treaty, we would not be in this position. The sky is falling, the sky is falling. Run for your life.

Whew, we had pretty cold weekend down here. The cold front brought in 60 degree whether. We tried plagiarizing W's sig on a copy of the treaty we pulled down from the web. If he won't sign it we should sign it for him. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

moblsv
03-27-2006, 08:34 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr>This is the final attempt to get us all to write our Senators begging them to put pressure on the President to sign the saviour treaty. If only we had signed the Kyoto treaty, we would not be in this position. The sky is falling, the sky is falling. Run for your life.

Whew, we had pretty cold weekend down here. The cold front brought in 60 degree whether. We tried plagiarizing W's sig on a copy of the treaty we pulled down from the web. If he won't sign it we should sign it for him. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r <hr /></blockquote>

If you have a problem with the Kyoto treaty attack that, not the science. I'm not a big fan of Kyoto myself but I would rather have that than a nation of morons sticking their heads in the sand and ignoring the facts because they don't like them. Once we acknowledge the problem we can start having real debates about the solutions, until then we are playing this stupid political game to put it off as long as possible.

Deeman3
03-27-2006, 08:46 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote moblsv:</font><hr> I'm not a big fan of Kyoto myself but <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue">Apparently you are not alone since even the democrats, not one of them, would sign it during Clinton's term. </font color>

Deeman

Gayle in MD
03-27-2006, 08:51 AM
Tap Tap Tap....and what else could we have suspected when the Christian Coalition, and the Bush/Arab Oil Dynasty joined forces? Conservation, women's rights, gay rights, sex education, birth control, the constitution, Immigration laws, FISA laws, Foreign Investment laws, Congressional Oversight, even the Theory of Evolution....all being threatened by the radical right, Bush and the Christian Coalition....50% of which think a man can live inside a whale.... /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Gayle in Md.
Proud I didn't vote for George Bush...

eg8r
03-27-2006, 08:55 AM
[ QUOTE ]
If you have a problem with the Kyoto treaty attack that, not the science.<hr /></blockquote> You my friend are not "the science". My post was in response to you and bringing up global warming. Run quick the sky is falling, and moblsv is back warning us.

eg8r

eg8r
03-27-2006, 08:56 AM
Hey moblsv pat the dog on the head, if you throw the bone again she will bring it back. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

Gayle in MD
03-28-2006, 10:52 AM
Very true, but unfortunately, according to the REBONICS language, used by the republican party, and invented by George Bush, and his administration, acknowledging a problem, is called re-writing history, therefore, there is never any reasonable progress available for solving problems or trying to discuss issues with the right!

Just a few....

Telling the truth = rewriting history
Civil War = sectarian violence
War On Terror = killing innocent people

troops = children of the poor and middle class

Terrorists = "They" syn/ (anybody George Bush feels like killing)

Spreading Democracy = pre-emptive strikes

Stable Iraq Society = New thug in power

Democracy On The March = Armageddon

Weapons of Mass Destruction = Bush, Cheney, Rice, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, and Rove.

Loosing courage and resolve = abandoning a loosing proposition.

Winning an election = Jury Rigging the numbers

Protecting Americans = Unchecked borders, shipping containers, (2) illegal spying on Americans

War Profiteering = (Not in the rebonics dictionary)

Building Allies = expanding foreign haters of Americans

Spreading freedom = Expanding al Qaeda cells around the world.

Flip Flopers = People who change their mind according to more accurate information

conditions on the ground = eternal occupations of other countries

Fiscal responsibility = expanding debt

Trade Agreements = screwing Americans out of jobs and money.

Project for The New American Century = Political corruption




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wolfdancer
03-28-2006, 11:08 AM
You have to wonder why it is even being debated anymore....the proof is at the poles.
It seems that the people in denial, are also strong supporters of GWB. Admitting that it is not some liberal,left,environmentalist scam might bring down the "House of Cards" Bush agenda....and the Emperor may prove to have no clues...errr clothes
Here's an interesting site:
web page (http://www.aip.org/history/climate/)

wolfdancer
03-28-2006, 11:15 AM
It's a shame that the once great Republican party has these people as it's leaders.
In the vast "ocean" of politics and politicians....they are pond scum
Excuse my poor analogy....

eg8r
03-29-2006, 06:50 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Excuse my poor analogy.... <hr /></blockquote> Should we excuse the poor analogy, or your decision to move forward with it. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

Gayle in MD
03-29-2006, 07:18 AM
Perhaps, you are being too kind. Pond scum, has some redeeming functions~! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Gayle in Md.
So proud I didn't not vote for George Bush!